That's an odd claim. I'm not aware of Obama having any kind of track record before becoming President. Is voting "present" and being a community organizer now considered indicative of republican leanings?
Fern
Many liberals knew even before he became President that the guy is a Republican. His track record in office, exception of ACA, has shown that
Prominent people like Paul Krugman had been claiming even during his first election campaign that he is a Reagan Republican, based on his views and track record. Amongst other things, the considerable expansion of the authoritarian state during his reign have proved such people right.That's an odd claim. I'm not aware of Obama having any kind of track record before becoming President. Is voting "present" and being a community organizer now considered indicative of republican leanings?
Fern
Lesser of two evils.
Many liberals voted for him based on the lesser of two evils principle, holding their nose and all. As for me, I'm neither a liberal nor a conservative in the traditional and formulaic sense.. which contains a bucket load of contradictions and hypocrisy on both sidesWhy vote for him if they don't even like him?
I guess that's the difference between you and me: given a shit sandwich and a turd burger, I still wouldn't eat shit.
Its scary that you and I would agree on anything.Excuse me, but there's no "you and me" here. I don't like or trust the guy and if I was an American I wouldn't vote for him as dog catcher.
You asked a simple question and got an answer.
Its scary that you and I would agree on anything.
They don't have hyperbole in your country?Why? Are your thinking patterns that restricted? People can disagree on some things and agree on others. It's a common everyday occurrence. It's one of the things that makes life interesting (if, at times, a bit frustrating as well).
Oh you're going to have to eat one of them, whether you vote for either of them first isn't going to change that.I guess that's the difference between you and me: given a shit sandwich and a turd burger, I still wouldn't eat shit.
+1I guess that's the difference between you and me: given a shit sandwich and a turd burger, I still wouldn't eat shit.
We might have to eat it, but damned if we'll help order it.Oh you're going to have to eat one of them, whether you vote for either of them first isn't going to change that.
You left out illegal alien from Kenya
We might have to eat it, but damned if we'll help order it.
My experience has been the direct opposite. Liberals are just more likely to blindly accuse everybody else of being racists (witness one of the biggest douchebag leftists on this forum just did so) and to label whatever they disagree with as 'racist'. Then many of them will turn around and practice the age old "racism of low-expectations" against minorities, and reserve vile hatred for those that dare not to "know their role" and live down to it.
Excuse me, but there's no "you and me" here.
Besides passing the affordable care act that turned millions of people into slaves for the insurance companies, what has obama done that has benefited everyday working people?
Wall street still in charge of our money.
Banks still to big to bail or fail.
Killing US citizens without due process.
Relations with Russia gone down the drain.
Tensions with China on the rise.
Economy still in the crapper.
Gave weapons to egypt, who knows where they are now.
IS gaining access to anti-aircraft weapons.
...and now you know why many Progressives aren't real impressed or thrilled with Obama. They believe he's much better than the Republican alternatives, but still very disappointing. Obamacare doesn't leave much to cheer about either since it benefits the insurance companies when they know that what's really needed is socialized medicine.
No, it won't. History will look back at the Obama presidency as a liberal blunder: electing a novelty president who wasn't properly vetted and lacked any meaningful experience.The thing that upsets me the most about Obamas presidency is that right from day 1 the republican attitude has been to "make him a one term president". Obamas presidency was historic and instead of thinking; let's ride this historic moment and get our name on the pages of history and make this the golden age of government. The republicans instead said, let's sabotage this shit! Had Obama been adversarial from the beginning and had the republicans not been then I would have been more accepting of their "say no to everything" policy. But that's not what happened, he wasn't even given a chance, not even one day.
I'd suspect that the American public largely agrees with me too, it's why Obama has an approval rating in the 40's and congress has an approval rating in the single digits or low teens. It's why more and more people are identifying as independent. Most of that comes at the expense of the republicans who's support has been dwindling.
Has obama been the perfect president? No. Could he have been? I see zero possibilities of that ever coming close to happening so long as he has to deal with this current congress. Obama aimed to please, much to the chagrin of the progressives who thought he represented them, had republicans worked with him in good faith he would have sided with them more times than not.
It's sad really, history will look back at Obamas election as a historic moment that was squandered by the worst congress in history by any measurable standard and it will be punctuated by the obstructionist Republican Party.
No, it won't. History will look back at the Obama presidency as a liberal blunder: electing a novelty president who wasn't properly vetted and lacked any meaningful experience.
If Obama is remembered for anything it will be the expansion of the largest spying apparatus in the history of the world. That will only be noteworthy if we step back from the edge and say "enough is enough".
I don't think we will, sadly.
If you want.I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
If Obama is remembered for anything it will be the expansion of the largest spying apparatus in the history of the world.