obama is a 'counterfeit president'

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TerryMathews

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Yeah and any further discussion with you is pointless as all you do is repeat lies and half truths.
What I posted is neither a lie nor a half truth. The Democrats had a majority in the house and senate.

He could've expended his political capital on anything. Ending telecom immunity. Closing Gitmo.

Instead: Obamacare.
 

werepossum

Elite Member
Jul 10, 2006
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What I posted is neither a lie nor a half truth. The Democrats had a majority in the house and senate.

He could've expended his political capital on anything. Ending telecom immunity. Closing Gitmo.

Instead: Obamacare.
Here is where we see the goal posts most furiously shuttled about. For seven months Obama had an absolutely Republican-proof majority; the Pubbies could not even slow down legislation. In spite of this being something the GOP has never had, the proggies want to explain that away by claiming that he didn't have a veto-proof majority of progressives. Well, no shit; no President has had that kind of power since World War II. If you can only get things done when you have no effective opposition, then you aren't a leader, period. And for two years, Obama had Congressional power the likes of which the GOP can only dream.

And as far as the Republicans' attitude to "make him a one term president", that is the unanimous policy of the losing party with EVERY President, period. The desire to get the other guy out and your guy in trumps even core party positions, and in a two-party system it always will.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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What I posted is neither a lie nor a half truth. The Democrats had a majority in the house and senate.

He could've expended his political capital on anything. Ending telecom immunity. Closing Gitmo.

Instead: Obamacare.

Like I said, honesty isn't your thing:

http://simplifythepositive.blogspot.com/2010/03/100-accomplishments-of-president-barack.html?m=1

Sure, some of the accomplishments ended up failing but he certainly wasn't a one trick pony.

Not only that but your other statement is false:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/fleeting-illusory-supermajority

Guantanamo:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/22/guantanamo.order/index.html?eref=rss_us

He's a president not a dictator:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/19/us/19gitmo.html?_r=0

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/8/congress-deals-death-blow-gitmo-closure/?page=all

http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20130523/NEWS03/130529743
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Here is where we see the goal posts most furiously shuttled about. For seven months Obama had an absolutely Republican-proof majority; the Pubbies could not even slow down legislation. In spite of this being something the GOP has never had, the proggies want to explain that away by claiming that he didn't have a veto-proof majority of progressives. Well, no shit; no President has had that kind of power since World War II. If you can only get things done when you have no effective opposition, then you aren't a leader, period. And for two years, Obama had Congressional power the likes of which the GOP can only dream.

And as far as the Republicans' attitude to "make him a one term president", that is the unanimous policy of the losing party with EVERY President, period. The desire to get the other guy out and your guy in trumps even core party positions, and in a two-party system it always will.

Nope, wrong on all accounts. Sorry history doesn't agree with you.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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No, it won't. History will look back at the Obama presidency as a liberal blunder: electing a novelty president who wasn't properly vetted and lacked any meaningful experience.

If Obama is remembered for anything it will be the expansion of the largest spying apparatus in the history of the world. That will only be noteworthy if we step back from the edge and say "enough is enough".

I don't think we will, sadly.

Yes, he finished implementing the plans of his predecessor wrt the NSA, following the wishes of Congress as well. Had he not, he'd be labeled as a terrarist coddlin' sekrit mooslim who hates Mericuh.

Obviously, it's all his fault.

Or not. Might want to consider how badly some people's brains were addled from the shock & subsequent fear mongering around 9/11. That wasn't an accident.

Heck, it caused us to invade another country for no good reason & spend a trillion dollars or so in the process just so it could be more fucked up after we left than before we started. And, yes, the economy was overheated & crashed at the same time. The NSA is like a dab of cranberry sauce on a plate of thanksgiving dinner in all of that.

Which is not to say that I agree with massive surveillance at all but rather to say that politicians avoid dealing with it the same way Superman avoids kryptonite. It just is, and until it's badly misused in some concrete & identifiable way, it always will be. It's like putting "under God" in the pledge of allegiance or Social Security.
 

squarecut1

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Nov 1, 2013
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You can go back a long way and pretty much every President was what he was (the usual rhetoric aside). No one was under any real illusions.

The term "fake" or "counterfeit" does apply quite completely to Obama, who appears to be quite a slippery character.
 
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