Obama is against Concealed Carry?

[misle]

I just ran across an article from April where Obama says that he's against Concealed Carry firearms. I believe something like 40+ states now have concealed carry laws, so I'm surprised that Obama is against it. He's also against "Assault Weapons" which are simply hunting rifles dressed up like military-style rifles.

Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
"I am not in favor of concealed weapons," Obama said. "I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations."

Clinton and Obama favor some kind of ban on assault weapons, something McCain opposes.

"I ... think we should reinstate the assault weapons ban (that expired in 2004) in order to give our police officers a fighting chance against the criminals on the street with these military-style assault weapons," Clinton said Tuesday.

 

[Genx87]

I believe he wasnt terribly happy about the supreme court decision on the 2nd amendment either. This is the shit that could eventually tank him.

Both of his positions according to this article are backwards. The assault weapons ban did nothing. And C&C has proven to be very safe, safer than many of the police depts that issue the permits.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I believe he wasnt terribly happy about the supreme court decision on the 2nd amendment either. This is the shit that could eventually tank him.

Both of his positions according to this article are backwards. The assault weapons ban did nothing. And C&C has proven to be very safe, safer than many of the police depts that issue the permits.

How is being anit-gun going to tank Obama? America is 50/50 on the whole gun control issue.

 

[lupi]

He was for weapon bans, until the SC decision and then he was against them.

He was for public campaign financing, till he turned it down and went against it.

He was for post birth abortion till asked on stage in front of running camers, then he was below it's paygrade.

He was dismissive of Iran, then he was worried about them.

He was supportive of Isreal, then he was against them.


I love trend analysis.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Genx87
I believe he wasnt terribly happy about the supreme court decision on the 2nd amendment either. This is the shit that could eventually tank him.

Both of his positions according to this article are backwards. The assault weapons ban did nothing. And C&C has proven to be very safe, safer than many of the police depts that issue the permits.

How is being anit-gun going to tank Obama? America is 50/50 on the whole gun control issue.

I am not sure which polls you are looking at. But when it comes to the fundamental right to own a gun. I havent seen one that shows it at 50/50. That said C&C has been a very successful policy in many states across the country. Thus his opinion is simply wrong. The assault weapons ban by all accounts was a complete and utter failure. Thus he is on the wrong side of the issue. These are the wefge issues that get people motivated or turn people off.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Genx87
I believe he wasnt terribly happy about the supreme court decision on the 2nd amendment either. This is the shit that could eventually tank him.

Both of his positions according to this article are backwards. The assault weapons ban did nothing. And C&C has proven to be very safe, safer than many of the police depts that issue the permits.

How is being anit-gun going to tank Obama? America is 50/50 on the whole gun control issue.

I am not sure which polls you are looking at. But when it comes to the fundamental right to own a gun. I havent seen one that shows it at 50/50. That said C&C has been a very successful policy in many states across the country. Thus his opinion is simply wrong. The assault weapons ban by all accounts was a complete and utter failure. Thus he is on the wrong side of the issue. These are the wefge issues that get people motivated or turn people off.

I haven't seen one that shows it leaning one way or the other - now you tell me how is this going tank Obama? That's what I'm interested in.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Genx87
I believe he wasnt terribly happy about the supreme court decision on the 2nd amendment either. This is the shit that could eventually tank him.

Both of his positions according to this article are backwards. The assault weapons ban did nothing. And C&C has proven to be very safe, safer than many of the police depts that issue the permits.

How is being anit-gun going to tank Obama? America is 50/50 on the whole gun control issue.

I am not sure which polls you are looking at. But when it comes to the fundamental right to own a gun. I havent seen one that shows it at 50/50. That said C&C has been a very successful policy in many states across the country. Thus his opinion is simply wrong. The assault weapons ban by all accounts was a complete and utter failure. Thus he is on the wrong side of the issue. These are the wefge issues that get people motivated or turn people off.

I haven't seen one that shows it leaning one way or the other - now you tell me how is this going tank Obama? That's what I'm interested in.

I didnt claim it is, I said it "could". And what part of my previous response dont you understand?

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Genx87
I believe he wasnt terribly happy about the supreme court decision on the 2nd amendment either. This is the shit that could eventually tank him.

Both of his positions according to this article are backwards. The assault weapons ban did nothing. And C&C has proven to be very safe, safer than many of the police depts that issue the permits.

How is being anit-gun going to tank Obama? America is 50/50 on the whole gun control issue.

I am not sure which polls you are looking at. But when it comes to the fundamental right to own a gun. I havent seen one that shows it at 50/50. That said C&C has been a very successful policy in many states across the country. Thus his opinion is simply wrong. The assault weapons ban by all accounts was a complete and utter failure. Thus he is on the wrong side of the issue. These are the wefge issues that get people motivated or turn people off.

I haven't seen one that shows it leaning one way or the other - now you tell me how is this going tank Obama? That's what I'm interested in.

I didnt claim it is, I said it "could". And what part of my previous response dont you understand?

Okay, how "could" it tank Obama.

 

[Genx87]

I am not sure which polls you are looking at. But when it comes to the fundamental right to own a gun. I havent seen one that shows it at 50/50. That said C&C has been a very successful policy in many states across the country. Thus his opinion is simply wrong. The assault weapons ban by all accounts was a complete and utter failure. Thus he is on the wrong side of the issue. These are the wefge issues that get people motivated or turn people off.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Genx87

I am not sure which polls you are looking at. But when it comes to the fundamental right to own a gun. I havent seen one that shows it at 50/50. That said C&C has been a very successful policy in many states across the country. Thus his opinion is simply wrong. The assault weapons ban by all accounts was a complete and utter failure. Thus he is on the wrong side of the issue. These are the wefge issues that get people motivated or turn people off.

:roll:

The primary issues this election are the war, the economy and oil. Firearm rights aren't in the spotlight and every poll I've seen places it @ roughly 50/50.

 

[daniel1113]

Yep. Obama is one of the most anti-gun candidates we've had in a while.

Fortunately, he will likely have little control over gun control policy in the country when he is president (yes, when, not if).

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Genx87

I am not sure which polls you are looking at. But when it comes to the fundamental right to own a gun. I havent seen one that shows it at 50/50. That said C&C has been a very successful policy in many states across the country. Thus his opinion is simply wrong. The assault weapons ban by all accounts was a complete and utter failure. Thus he is on the wrong side of the issue. These are the wefge issues that get people motivated or turn people off.

:roll:

The primary issues this election are the war, the economy and oil. Firearm rights aren't in the spotlight and every poll I've seen places it @ roughly 50/50.

Dont roll eyes at me. What part of "wedge" issue dont you understand? This whole conservation has been way more painful than it needs.

And dont give me shit about it being mis-spelled either.

Anyways

65% of Americans believe in gun ownership

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: lupi
He was for weapon bans, until the SC decision and then he was against them.

He was for public campaign financing, till he turned it down and went against it.

He was for post birth abortion till asked on stage in front of running camers, then he was below it's paygrade.

He was dismissive of Iran, then he was worried about them.

He was supportive of Isreal, then he was against them.


I love trend analysis.

You should probably try doing some of it then instead of just making up things. What the hell is wrong with you?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Genx87

I am not sure which polls you are looking at. But when it comes to the fundamental right to own a gun. I havent seen one that shows it at 50/50. That said C&C has been a very successful policy in many states across the country. Thus his opinion is simply wrong. The assault weapons ban by all accounts was a complete and utter failure. Thus he is on the wrong side of the issue. These are the wefge issues that get people motivated or turn people off.

:roll:

The primary issues this election are the war, the economy and oil. Firearm rights aren't in the spotlight and every poll I've seen places it @ roughly 50/50.

One of the reasons that firearm right are not in the spotlight is because the Dems aren't running on gun control laws at all anymore on the campaign trail. This departure started occurring in the 2004 and 2006 elections. They know it is a wedge issue that often finds them on the losing side outside of liberal enclaves like San Francisco and Hyde Park.

 

[brencat]

Trust me, few if any gun owners actually think Obama is pro-gun rights or supported the recent SC decision. Sad to say, but I can't think of more than a handful of Democratic politicians that are. I know there are more of them, but the perception is what it is because of the extremist gun-banners in their midst. This is a huge issue to people like me as it directly correlates to personal freedom. The day they allow CC in NJ, my wife and I will be 2 of the first in line. I'm not holding my breath though...

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Genx87
I believe he wasnt terribly happy about the supreme court decision on the 2nd amendment either. This is the shit that could eventually tank him.

Both of his positions according to this article are backwards. The assault weapons ban did nothing. And C&C has proven to be very safe, safer than many of the police depts that issue the permits.

How is being anit-gun going to tank Obama? America is 50/50 on the whole gun control issue.

I am not sure which polls you are looking at. But when it comes to the fundamental right to own a gun. I havent seen one that shows it at 50/50. That said C&C has been a very successful policy in many states across the country. Thus his opinion is simply wrong. The assault weapons ban by all accounts was a complete and utter failure. Thus he is on the wrong side of the issue. These are the wefge issues that get people motivated or turn people off.

I haven't seen one that shows it leaning one way or the other - now you tell me how is this going tank Obama? That's what I'm interested in.

It's not 50/50 in the states that matter.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Genx87
I believe he wasnt terribly happy about the supreme court decision on the 2nd amendment either. This is the shit that could eventually tank him.

Both of his positions according to this article are backwards. The assault weapons ban did nothing. And C&C has proven to be very safe, safer than many of the police depts that issue the permits.

How is being anit-gun going to tank Obama? America is 50/50 on the whole gun control issue.

I am not sure which polls you are looking at. But when it comes to the fundamental right to own a gun. I havent seen one that shows it at 50/50. That said C&C has been a very successful policy in many states across the country. Thus his opinion is simply wrong. The assault weapons ban by all accounts was a complete and utter failure. Thus he is on the wrong side of the issue. These are the wefge issues that get people motivated or turn people off.

I haven't seen one that shows it leaning one way or the other - now you tell me how is this going tank Obama? That's what I'm interested in.

It's not 50/50 in the states that matter.

The toss up states are Ohio, Nevada, Colorado, Michigan and Florida.

All of these places have very large urban areas and have problems with crime, I'd imagine it's leaning towards gun control.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Genx87

I am not sure which polls you are looking at. But when it comes to the fundamental right to own a gun. I havent seen one that shows it at 50/50. That said C&C has been a very successful policy in many states across the country. Thus his opinion is simply wrong. The assault weapons ban by all accounts was a complete and utter failure. Thus he is on the wrong side of the issue. These are the wefge issues that get people motivated or turn people off.

:roll:

The primary issues this election are the war, the economy and oil. Firearm rights aren't in the spotlight and every poll I've seen places it @ roughly 50/50.

Dont roll eyes at me. What part of "wedge" issue dont you understand? This whole conservation has been way more painful than it needs.

And dont give me shit about it being mis-spelled either.

Anyways

65% of Americans believe in gun ownership

:roll: :roll: :roll:

If it's a wedge issuse, then how would it hurt Obama at all? Wow, a CNN poll that's scholarly source!

In all, 65 percent said they thought the Constitution ensures that right, and 31 percent said it did not. The question had a sampling error of plus-or-minus 3 points.

Men and people living in rural areas were most likely to say the Constitution guarantees the right to own a gun.

Nearly three quarters of men (72 percent) said they believed so, versus 26 percent who did not. More than half (58 percent) of women said they believed so, versus slightly more than a third (35 percent) who did not.

So, most people in rural areas support gun ownership however there are less people in rural ares - want to take guess as to what this means?

 

[dardin211]

It's stupid to even care what a presidential candidate?s position on gun control is. It is only an opinion and won't change a damn thing. Americans like their guns and no president is going to risk political suicide or worse trying to ban guns.

Why not worry more about the things a presidential candidate is actually GOING to do if elected to office.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: dardin211
It's stupid to even care what a presidential candidate?s position on gun control is. It is only an opinion and won't change a damn thing. Americans like their guns and no president is going to risk political suicide or worse trying to ban guns.

Why not worry more about the things a presidential candidate is actually GOING to do if elected to office.

like appoint supreme court justices that agree with his position on gun control?

 

[Genx87]

Do you feel the more roll icons you display the better you sound? I am not going to respond to you any more in this thread. Do us a favor and figure out what a wedge issue is and how it can sway voters away from one candidate. This isnt effing rocket science.

As for the poll, provide us one that proves your 50/50 claim or please stfu.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Do you feel the more roll icons you display the better you sound?

Yes.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: lupi
He was for post birth abortion till asked on stage in front of running camers, then he was below it's paygrade.

Post-birth abortion huh? That sure grants a lot of leeway. I'll give you a pass on the slip.

Taking the tangent bait, the question was actually 'when does human life begin'. He gave a humble and realistic answer to a question that usually inspires spewing of biased ignorance on all sides. The 'Who knows?' answer is actually very appropriate in some cases - especially this one.

As for gun control, its unfortunate that his opinions on the matter could provide a wedge issue. My personal feelings aside, this is about the 25th most important issue on the list of problems facing this country.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I believe he wasnt terribly happy about the supreme court decision on the 2nd amendment either. This is the shit that could eventually tank him.

Eh?

"I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms, but I also identify with the need for crime-ravaged communities to save their children from the violence that plagues our streets through common-sense, effective safety measures. The Supreme Court has now endorsed that view, and while it ruled that the D.C. gun ban went too far, Justice Scalia himself acknowledged that this right is not absolute and subject to reasonable regulations enacted by local communities to keep their streets safe. Today's ruling, the first clear statement on this issue in 127 years, will provide much-needed guidance to local jurisdictions across the country."

When a candidate doesn't agree with a SC decision, you know it. They don't use words like "will provide much-needed guidance." They say things like "worst decision I've ever read" or that the ruling is "an assault" on the justice system.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Tab
The toss up states are Ohio, Nevada, Colorado, Michigan and Florida.

All of these places have very large urban areas and have problems with crime, I'd imagine it's leaning towards gun control.

I have no clue where you got the information about Ohio and Michigan, but you're dead wrong. MI has Detroit and that's it. Detroit does not have enough of a population to override the largely rural remainder of the state. Similarly, Columbus, Cleveland, and Cincinnati do not have enough votes to override the remainder of Ohio, which is rural. Both Ohio and Michigan have overwhelmingly passed their respective CCW laws.

Florida was among the first states to pass a CCW law, and it has been extremely popular there. In fact, Florida recently passed a law requiring businesses to allow employees to keep a loaded firearm in their personal vehicles even if that vehicle is parked on company property.

Aside from Denver, Colorado is strongly pro-gun as well, but unlike in Ohio and MI, it's possible that the Denver vote could carry. I'm not sure there.

Nevada is also questionable.

ZV