Originally posted by: The Green Bean
In reality more deaths have come from American bombs that terrorism.
If you believe that, you're out of your fucking mind! Just one sect of the Taliban, of many, was responsible for more than 1200 civilian deaths in Pakistan and Afghanistan
just last year. When added up, the ratio of civilian kills by the Taliban vs. NATO is roughly 1000 to 1.
Saying the opposite is true is simply ridiculous... not that I'm surprised.
2) What is Pakistan planning to do to stop the export of Pakistan-based terror into Afghanistan and elsewhere?
Stop the massacre of innocent civilians by the Americans and win the hearts and minds of the people in those areas. Then we can make a pact with them to expel all foreign fighters. That will take time and American co-operation.
"Foreign fighters"?! That will do nothing to stop the terror being exported by the Pakistani-based
Taliban. The true "massacres" are being carried out by your own fucking countrymen; and you're either too dumb to understand that, or your being purposely dishonest. Which is it?
3) Do you honestly believe that Pakistan is already doing enough to stem the flow of Pakistan-based terror into neighboring countries?
They are doing more than ANY other country. We've killed about 1000 militants over the past month alone. That's way more than your forces combined.
Really?! Then why are Pakistanis still able to launch attacks throughout Pakistan and Afghanistan?
The answer, and the bottom line: whatever it is you
think you're doing, it's simply not enough. Your forces have been grossly ineffective in stopping the terror that is currently being exported from your territory. Hence the reason we have to do it ourselves...
4) Do you take responsibility for the terrorism your country exports? Does your government?
Do you take responsibility for the innocent civilians killed by actions that were authorized by the government you voted for? If you don't why should I take responsibility for actions committed by a few "criminals?"
You didn't answer the fucking question.
I don't answer the questions not because I don't see them; it's because I find your follow up and feedback to be that of a 13 year old. So don't be surprised if you get no further response from me to your blabbering.
Peace
TGB
You're full of shit. You don't answer the questions because the true answers would identify and demonstrate Pakistan's complete and total failure to control their territories. On one hand, you claim sovereignty over an area that you can't control. In doing so, you
must also take responsibility for the crimes and criminals based in those same territories.
But you don't.
Instead, you continue to pay lip service to NATO
and the terrorists in a never ending cycle of uselessness. Face it, Pakistan has failed miserable to control the terrorists within their own supposed borders. You have tried for years to have it both ways in your dealings with the West. You want the money to continue flowing in, but you couldn't care less if the Taliban or AQ are ever actually defeated.
Your military fights like a bunch of fucking girls and gets their ass handed to them every time they go up against the frontier terrorists. THAT is why you have lost more men than NATO in the GWOT. It's because your entire country is fighting the war in a half-assed manner. With a population the size of Pakistan's, if the country REALLY wanted to be rid of the terrorists, they would send 1 million soldiers into the frontier region and clear it the fuck out. Instead, you send 100,000 pussies who nibble at the edges of the frontier -- some times -- but most of their time is spent sitting in a defensive posture in hardened bases along the edge of the frontier, doing nothing!
meanwhile, the southwest area of the frontier thrives with terrorists who continue to run back and forth across the border wreaking havoc throughout Afghanistan. Pakistan has done almost
nothing to secure their own fucking border... NOTHING!
Granted, the U.S. is not much better. We too have pussies like Lemon Law who tie our own hands and prevent us from finishing what we started. Like you, they want to fight these wars with two hands behind our backs, and they really don't believe in ending the terrorism once and for all -- hell, some of them don't even acknowledge the threat. They expect us to work in a restricted manner for all eternity and then berate us when the results are less than spectacular. Have intel on a top Taliban warlord? screw it, the panzies in our own country say that we should ignore that, or perhaps pass the info on to the most corrupt agency in the world -- ie. the Pakistani ISI. They don't understand that doing so essentially ensures that the high value target will receive a warning phone call from the ISI, and we'll end up hitting a bunch of goats and kids instead. But hey, that's the price we pay for "respecting" Pakistan's sovereignty!?
fuck that!
I believe the U.S. military and government are starting to get fed up with Pakistan's half-assed and two-faced ways of doing business. I'm happy to see our newfound tenacity and commitment to destroying the Taliban and AQ, with or without Pakistan's assistance and support. Begging for permission to kill terrorists is the most asinine concept I can think of -- yet that's exactly what you and pussies like LL want us to do!
My only regret is that we waited more than seven years to start hitting the targets in NW Pakistan. The Taliban and AQ should never have been given the opportunity to rest, regroup, and grow -- essentially unhindered -- in that part of the world, or any other.
As far as I'm concerned, Pakistan's efforts have been useless. It's long past time when we need to destroy the terrorist fuckers hiding in their backyard.
If I had my way, I'd create a 25-mile wide DMZ between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Any breathing thing in that area would become a legitimate target. We'd drop leaflets and allow the true civilians 21 days to clear the area. After that, the entire fucking zone would become a free-fire zone. Anything that moves, dies. Then, after 10 years of relative peace along the border, and stability throughout Afghanistan, we would allow civilians to trickle back to the border area. The ANA and Pakistani military would become responsible for ensuring that none of those civilians own more than one hunting rifle and one handgun. Anything more would be considered a legitimate threat, and they'd be arrested for possession of an illegal firearm.
The only question you really need to answer TGB is this one: Do you honestly feel that Pakistan is doing
enough to combat the Taliban and AQ based in Pakistan? If so, then how do explain their continued presence and strength? If not, why not?