Obama Makes Another Threat

[EagleKeeper]

Invade does not equal search and destroy.

Up until now, the border has forced a one armed battle. The Taliban can cross, NATO can not.

Removal of that restriction will allow NATO hunter/killer teams torun the Taliban into their hidey holes and exterminate them.

Pakistan is not the target for military or territory.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Invade does not equal search and destroy.

Up until now, the border has forced a one armed battle. The Taliban can cross, NATO can not.

Removal of that restriction will allow NATO hunter/killer teams torun the Taliban into their hidey holes and exterminate them.

Pakistan is not the target for military or territory.

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If Nato can't run the Taliban into their hidey holes in Afghanistan, how are they going to have better luck in Pakistan when everyone will be against them and their intel will be even more unreliable than it is in Afghanistan?

We don't even know where in the world Ossama Bin laden is or where is Carmen Sandiego.

Than plan may look good on paper but it will backfire in practice. And yes, invade does equal search and destroy as we tug anarchy behind us in our wake.

Iraq was supposed to cost 50 billion tops and be over quick. To date, the only minimal progress in Iraq is political, and that is limited to deals with insurgent leaders.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I personally directed this strike and it's a Taliban stronghold, it took a week of watching them until i gave the get go.

None of them were innocent but even Talibans have families.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
But GWB instead took out his can of instant whipass, used too small of a force, and made a fatal blunder that plagues us still.

You're finally correct -- by accident. That "blunder" was in our stopping at the imaginary, and otherwise unrecognized, Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

And while the revisionist history is that 300 of our special forces chased all of the Taliban out of Afghanistan, the real muscle was provided by the Northern alliance

They helped... but, if you ever bothered to get to know a former Northern Alliance leader, as I have, they'll be the first ones to tell you that our air power and SOF troops were THE deciding factor in the routing of the Taliban. Combined, the trifecta was unbeatable...

So, once again, why the fuck did we stop at the border!?

And guess what, the Taliban is back and many look at them to be the cure Nato is not providing.

Only Taliban members, or former Taliban members, "look at them to be the cure" to anything. The rest are forced to do so while staring down the barrels of Taliban guns. This is perhaps the biggest flaw in your entire argument. You consistently refer to the mysterious populace who "look to" or "prefer" the Taliban... Who the fuck are you referring to!? I've been all across the country of Afghanistan and I've never met a truly innocent Afghan civilian who "prefers" or "looks to" the Taliban. Every single one of them, who is not a member of the Taliban themselves, is deathly afraid of the Taliban. Period.

You're fucking delusional and ill-prepared to have this debate any further. Why you continues to bloviate is beyond comprehension...

Worse yet, Nato is not doing the smart thing, namely to drive a wedge between Al-Quida and the Taliban who have totally different objectives.

uhh, that may be the most inaccurate thing you've EVER written on this subject, and that's saying a lot!

Meanwhile the Taliban driven into Pakistan are ethnically indistinguishable from the native tribes. But as guests, cannot play the Sharia law card, because the tribal areas are not at war with each other, and corruption and anarchy do not flourish.

Are you fucking kidding me?! Sharia Law, in all its inhumanity, is the very foundation of the control the Taliban enforces throughout the entire tribal region. It has nothing to do with "corruption and anarchy," and everything to do with cold-blooded murder, rape, and an inhumane set of "rules" being forced upon the populace.

Where the fuck do you get the idea that the Taliban and tribes are entirely separate!? At this point, thanks to our waiting six years, they are becoming one in the fucking same. The tribal leaders are ALL members of the Taliban throughout Northwest Pakistan. And they ARE fighting amongst themselves on a daily fucking basis! There are at least three predominant "sects" of the Taliban living and vying for control throughout the tribal areas. Each of them maintains the same focus on attacking NATO forces in Afghanistan; but, they are also fighting with one-another for control of the entire show.

Hundreds of elders, leaders, and others have died in the fighting between the tribes during the same period of time they've been fighting NATO -- the last six years.

So they have to be somewhat on their best behavior or they will alienate their hosts. Meanwhile the Taliban network extend into all the Northern Stans and they also can bring in money and foreign fighters from States in the Mid-East. But one thing for sure, the people of the Tribal areas are 100% in opposition to Nato incursions onto Pakistani soil.

They are quickly approaching a point when they will be 100% Taliban as well. (except for the women, of course. they are relegated to the eternal slavery and condemnation that comes with living with Taliban men... lucky them! The blame for the death of every female caught in our airstrikes lies at the feet of the Taliban douchebags hiding under their skirts).

blockading them at the border is a better alternative, and there is now enough popular Afghan support for them to hide in plain sight in Afghanistan.

What you describe is a physically impossible objective, even with a NATO force of astronomical size. You'd know that if your experience in the region went beyond the interweb and PBS...

The "border region" is impossible to cover in its entirety.

From wikipedia (your lifeline on this topic?):

The Hindu Kush reaches a height of 7485 m. / 24,557 ft. at Nowshak, Afghanistan's highest peak. Of the ranges extending southwestward from the Hindu Kush, the Koh-i-Baba reaches the greatest height (Shah Fuladi, 5,142 m /16,870 ft). The Safed Koh range, which includes the Tora Bora area, dominates the border area southeast of Kabul. Important passes include the Unai Pass across the Sanglakh Range, and the Kotal-e Salang, connecting Kabul with central and northern Afghanistan, respectively. The approaches to the Khyber Pass across the Safed Koh are in eastern Afghanistan; the summit of the pass at 1070 m. / 3,509 ft. at Landi Kotal, Pakistan is five kilometers east of the border town of Torkham. Other key passages through the mountainous Pakistan border include two from Paktika Province into Pakistan's Waziristan region: one at Angoor Ada, a village that straddles both sides of the border east of Shkin, and, further south, the Gumal River crossing, plus the Charkai River passage south of Khowst, Afghanistan, at Pakistan's Ghulam Khan village into North Waziristan. The busy Pakistan border crossing at Wesh, just northwest of Chaman, Pakistan, connecting Kandahar and Spin Boldak, Afghanistan, to Quetta, Pakistan, is in a flat, dry area, though this route involves Pakistan's Khojak Pass at 2,707 m. / 8,881 ft. just 14 km. from the border.

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Now suppose we buy into this magic bullet plan of Nato unilaterally invading the Tribal areas of Pakistan.

Fuck "invasion"... nobody has ever called for an "invasion." Our SOF units and other SMU's, combined with extensive air support and a small number of Afghan advisers, could clear out the entire tribal region in six months, or less.

We've had six years to put together the target packages, establish networks, and devise a thorough strategy for doing just that.

Our "hounds" are very fucking good at their jobs.

...

LL, you get more and more ridiculous every time you post...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Oh, and Lemon Law, that sig of mine was renewed since some people didn't get the irony of others saying Britains (mostly you) (it's Britons) and no one got it so i took something else ironic and put it there, America by Motorhead, the only legendary metal band that can releas an album that is as good as the rest they have done (motorized) and they are British.

So suck it up you twat.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Lemon law
But GWB instead took out his can of instant whipass, used too small of a force, and made a fatal blunder that plagues us still.

You're finally correct -- by accident. That "blunder" was our stopping at the imaginary, and otherwise unrecognized, Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

And while the revisionist history is that 300 of our special forces chased all of the Taliban out of Afghanistan, the real muscle was provided by the Northern alliance

They helped... but, if you ever bothered to get to know a former Northern Alliance leader, as I have, they'll be the first ones to tell you that our air power and SOF troops were THE deciding factor. Combined, the trifecta was unbeatable...

So, once again, why the fuck did we stop at the border!?

And guess what, the Taliban is back and many look at them to be the cure Nato is not providing.

Only Taliban members, or former Taliban members, "look at them to be the cure" to anything. The rest are forced to do while staring down the barrels of Taliban guns. This is perhaps the biggest flaw in your entire argument. You consistently refer to the mysterious populace who "look to" or "prefer" the Taliban... Who the fuck are you referring to!? I've been all across the country of Afghanistan and I've never met a truly innocent Afghan civilian who "prefers" or "looks to" the Taliban. Every single one of them, who is not a member of the Taliban themselves, is afraid of the Taliban as though they were each the devil himself.

You're fucking delusional and ill-prepared to have this debate any further. Why you continues to bloviate is beyond comprehension...

Worse yet, Nato is not doing the smart thing, namely to drive a wedge between Al-Quida and the Taliban who have totally different objectives.

uhh, that may be the most inaccurate thing you've EVER written on this subject, and that's saying a lot!

Meanwhile the Taliban driven into Pakistan are ethnically indistinguishable from the native tribes. But as guests, cannot play the Sharia law card, because the tribal areas are not at war with each other, and corruption and anarchy do not flourish.

Are you fucking kidding me?! Sharia Law, in all its inhumanity, is the very foundation of the control the Taliban enforces throughout the entire tribal region. It has nothing to do with "corruption and anarchy," and everything to do with cold-blooded murder, rape, and an inhumane set of "rules" being forced upon the populace.

Where the fuck do you get the idea that the Taliban and tribes are separate!? At this point, thanks to our waiting six years, they are one in the fucking same. The tribal leaders are ALL members of the Taliban throughout Northwest Pakistan. And they ARE fighting amongst themselves on a daily fucking basis! There are at least three predominant "sects" of the Taliban living and vying for control throughout the tribal areas. Each of them maintains the same focus on attacking NATO forces in Afghanistan; but, they are also fighting with one-another for control of the entire show.

Hundreds of elders, leaders, and others have died in the fighting between the tribes during the same period of time they've been fighting NATO -- the last six years.

So they have to be somewhat on their best behavior or they will alienate their hosts. Meanwhile the Taliban network extend into all the Northern Stans and they also can bring in money and foreign fighters from States in the Mid-East. But one thing for sure, the people of the Tribal areas are 100% in opposition to Nato incursions onto Pakistani soil.

They are quickly approaching a point when they will be 100% Taliban as well. They're well into the 90+ percentile already, and growing every day (except for the women, of course. they are relegated to the eternal slavery that comes with living with Taliban men... lucky them!)

blockading them at the border is a better alternative, and there is now enough popular Afghan support for them to hide in plain sight in Afghanistan.

What you describe is a physically impossible objective, even with a NATO force of astronomical size. You'd know that if your experience in the region went beyond the interweb and PBS...

The "border region" is impossible to cover in its entirety.

From wikipedia (your lifeline on this topic?):

The Hindu Kush reaches a height of 7485 m. / 24,557 ft. at Nowshak, Afghanistan's highest peak. Of the ranges extending southwestward from the Hindu Kush, the Koh-i-Baba reaches the greatest height (Shah Fuladi, 5,142 m /16,870 ft). The Safed Koh range, which includes the Tora Bora area, dominates the border area southeast of Kabul. Important passes include the Unai Pass across the Sanglakh Range, and the Kotal-e Salang, connecting Kabul with central and northern Afghanistan, respectively. The approaches to the Khyber Pass across the Safed Koh are in eastern Afghanistan; the summit of the pass at 1070 m. / 3,509 ft. at Landi Kotal, Pakistan is five kilometers east of the border town of Torkham. Other key passages through the mountainous Pakistan border include two from Paktika Province into Pakistan's Waziristan region: one at Angoor Ada, a village that straddles both sides of the border east of Shkin, and, further south, the Gumal River crossing, plus the Charkai River passage south of Khowst, Afghanistan, at Pakistan's Ghulam Khan village into North Waziristan. The busy Pakistan border crossing at Wesh, just northwest of Chaman, Pakistan, connecting Kandahar and Spin Boldak, Afghanistan, to Quetta, Pakistan, is in a flat, dry area, though this route involves Pakistan's Khojak Pass at 2,707 m. / 8,881 ft. just 14 km. from the border.

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Now suppose we buy into this magic bullet plan of Nato unilaterally invading the Tribal areas of Pakistan.

Fuck "invasion"... nobody has ever called for an "invasion." Our SOF units and other SMU's, combined with extensive air support and a small number of Afghan advisers, could clear out the entire tribal region in six months, or less.

We've had six years to put together the target packages, establish networks, and devise a thorough strategy for doing just that.

Our "hounds" are very fucking good at their jobs.

With military might and air support, Nato could start in the Southern end of the Tribal areas and march its troops right up to the borders of the Northern Stans
with the Taliban somewhat powerless to resist. Blowing up houses and villages as they go, and just generally creating chaos and anarchy. And do we envision that the Taliban, finally chased like rats, will finally be cornered, with no place to run, and be finally be forced to stand and fight, AK-47's against 2000 thousand pound bombs and helicopter gunships able to hose the entire area up? And thereafter, the world, rid of Al-Quida and the Taliban, shall be instant paradise on earth. The things comic books and hollywoods scripts are made off, complete with the they lived happily ever after.

Sounds good to me.

LL, you get more and more ridiculous every time you post...

I would like for you to substantiate that this was a mistake. You'd have to do it THROUGH me.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
And if just one of Pakistans's nukes went off, they would be paraihs of the world and easily become another provice of India.

Assuming India would then want such a wasteland.

TGB, is it worth destroying your country because your people/government refuse to admit that they have made a mistake w/ respect to supporting the Taliban.

You do not have the naval forces or the air power to do anything if you initiate a conflict. Hiding behind the nuke threat will be useless unless you can back it up and are willing to accpt the consequences.

You are so afraid of India; what do you think will happen if the US was to turn their sights on you. Not as an occupier, but what happened in the first Gulf War - destroy the military and infrastructure. A nuke would cause that to happen. Pakistan as a third world country would make Somalia look like a 5 star resort.

Both airforce, i'll see you come when you go to the place i've directed the strike.

This is not a mistake hit, it was directed ON THE SPOT, damn anyone who makes excuses for it, it was as perfect as perfect is, no fallout, no spread, perfection. If the Talibans want to have families, well they will be better off dead either way.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Flatlanders have no concept of mountain terrain

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I personally directed this strike and it's a Taliban stronghold, it took a week of watching them until i gave the get go.

None of them were innocent but even Talibans have families.

It's not your fault, or any of ours, that the Taliban hide behind their women and children. And, we shall not continue to bleed, without recourse, simply because they do!

/salute bro! I'm glad you're safe... Job well done!

 

[Lemon law]

I have one main question, if your networks, target packages, and strategy is so good, and lets not forget your hounds, why are you messing around making minor strikes when you can get Ossama Bin Laden right now?

Sounds like you are more BRAG than fact. With a six year track record of Kazan continuous failure to prove it.

And riddle me something else, if you can't control a linear and limited border, how can you control the much larger area that the border surrounds?

Hell I thought that was the objective, chase Al-Quida and Taliban out of Afghanistan, once you get that step done, the next job is to keep them out.

I am sorry, I have heard enough can do brags from military types to last me three lifetimes, the only thing you people understand is when you get pulled out and sent home mission not accomplished. And I have to love your six months or less, inside of a few days, those you did not get immediately will relocate and you will be back to square one on your lack of intel.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I personally directed this strike and it's a Taliban stronghold, it took a week of watching them until i gave the get go.

None of them were innocent but even Talibans have families.

It's not your fault, or any of ours, that the Taliban hide behind their women and children. And, we shall not continue to bleed, without recourse, simply because they do!

/salute bro! I'm glad you're safe... Job well done!

Don't worry, i feel no shame in this, actually, i've been discussing the lack of air support with another member of this forum and it has helped a lot.

But the winter is coming and i am not going to stay for that this time, i've been here for far too long.

I hope all is well with you too, my friend.

/salute and thank you, i just hope there are no excuses because this WAS a clear hit.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I have one main question, if your networks, target packages, and strategy is so good, and lets not forget your hounds, why are you messing around making minor strikes when you can get Ossama Bin Laden right now?

Authorize our hounds to REALLY do their jobs, and we will. Right now, cowards like you are holding us back.

Sounds like you are more BRAG than fact. With a six year track record of Kazan continuous failure to prove it.

Please refer to my previous post, in this very thread, wherein I pointed out that we havent yet tried what I suggest, so there is no precedent.

And riddle me something else, if you can't control a linear and limited border, how can you control the much larger area that the border surrounds?

We simply need authorization to clear it. And, that "linear and limited border" is along what is arguably the world's harshest terrain. The pictures you've seen the interwebz don't come close to the reality of that harshness.

Hell I thought that was the objective, chase Al-Quida and Taliban out of Afghanistan, once you get that step done, the next job is to keep them out.

Uhh, no. The objective is to completely destroy and/or dismantle both so that neither can exist peacefully anywhere on the globe. Period.

I am sorry, I have heard enough can do brags from military types to last me three lifetimes, the only thing you people understand is when you get pulled out and sent home mission not accomplished. And I have to love your six months or less, inside of a few days, those you did not get immediately will relocate and you will be back to square one on your lack of intel.

what, exactly, do you know about our "lack of intel"? Please cite your sources.

I'm very interested to see you try to discuss our intelligence processes and capabilities... it should be a real h00t!

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I personally directed this strike and it's a Taliban stronghold, it took a week of watching them until i gave the get go.

None of them were innocent but even Talibans have families.

It's not your fault, or any of ours, that the Taliban hide behind their women and children. And, we shall not continue to bleed, without recourse, simply because they do!

/salute bro! I'm glad you're safe... Job well done!

Don't worry, i feel no shame in this, actually, i've been discussing the lack of air support with another member of this forum and it has helped a lot.

But the winter is coming and i am not going to stay for that this time, i've been here for far too long.

I hope all is well with you too, my friend.

/salute and thank you, i just hope there are no excuses because this WAS a clear hit.

Well bro, be mentally prepared to hear about the fallout because the global MSM, Pakistani officials, and jokers like LemonLaw, are all entirely convinced that you wiped out a family of 15 innocent farmers.

In fact, Pakistan is using it as yet another excuse to rally their masses in opposition to NATO...

sick, isn't it? ya...

 

[Dari]

Isn't there an over-reliance on airstrikess already? Wouldn't more soldiers be better?

 

[Lemon law]

Ok JOS, you personally directed "this strike", what specific strike? And we only have your vague word its 100% clean, no women and children killed, but if you are going to take ownership., lets see what you own?
And lets see what others say? And will their be a commission that we can all trust to ferret out the real truth?

And while noble you, do not have wives and children to hide behind in Afghanistan , and instead hide behind puff the magic dragon way up in the air, Al Quida does know where your wives and children live, and if you go after theirs, they already do consider it fair game to go after yours, as they have been doing since the early 1970's and earlier in Europe and the UK.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Dari
Isn't there an over-reliance on air strikes already? Wouldn't more soldiers be better?

A mixture of both will be just splendid throughout the tribal region.

Air strikes, proper coordination through SOF, and the overwhelming/unhindered use of both, were the single biggest factors in routing the Taliban from all of Afghanistan in 2002.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I personally directed this strike and it's a Taliban stronghold, it took a week of watching them until i gave the get go.

None of them were innocent but even Talibans have families.

It's not your fault, or any of ours, that the Taliban hide behind their women and children. And, we shall not continue to bleed, without recourse, simply because they do!

/salute bro! I'm glad you're safe... Job well done!

Don't worry, i feel no shame in this, actually, i've been discussing the lack of air support with another member of this forum and it has helped a lot.

But the winter is coming and i am not going to stay for that this time, i've been here for far too long.

I hope all is well with you too, my friend.

/salute and thank you, i just hope there are no excuses because this WAS a clear hit.

Well bro, be mentally prepared to hear about the fallout because the global MSM, Pakistani officials, and jokers like LemonLaw, are all entirely convinced that you wiped out a family of 15 innocent farmers.

In fact, Pakistan is using it as yet another excuse to rally their masses in opposition to NATO...

sick, isn't it? ya...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, i'll always expect it from those twats, if a take a shit in the desert they will be falling all over eachothers to make an excuse...

I was talking from a source that i CARE about.

Christ i need a bath before i get out again, didn't have time the last time so i've been climbing, running, walking for four weeks without so much as a good shower, hehe, you could just drop me in the middle and everyone would run.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Dari
Isn't there an over-reliance on air strikes already? Wouldn't more soldiers be better?

A mixture of both will be just splendid throughout the tribal region.

Air strikes, proper coordination through SOF, and the overwhelming/unhindered use of both, were the single biggest factors in routing the Taliban from all of Afghanistan in 2002.

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And now improperly coordinated air strikes in Afghanistan are the single most likely reason for Nato to get booted out of Afghanistan. While also being the single most important reason Nato has little support inside of Afghanistan.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Ok JOS, you personally directed "this strike", what specific strike? And we only have your vague word its 100% clean, no women and children killed, but if you are going to take ownership., lets see what you own?
And lets see what others say? And will their be a commission that we can all trust to ferret out the real truth?

And while noble you, do not have wives and children to hide behind in Afghanistan, and instead hide behind puff the magic dragon way up in the air

wait.. what?! You're comparing the Taliban's use of women and children as human shields to NATO's use of air power?! wtf?!

Just when I thought that you couldn't sound any more ridiculous, you one-up yourself and reach an all-time low! Wow...

And, I believe that JoS is stating that his mission was the one referred to in the OP. He also went on to explain that it was a legitimate Taliban compound -- as most of us with a clue have known all along. He also said that any women and children who may have been killed in the strike were the families of those Taliban who CHOSE to hide amongst them. Which, AFAIC, places their death at the feet of the Taliban themselves.

Al Quida does know where your wives and children live, and if you go after theirs, they already do consider it fair game to go after yours, as they have been doing since the early 1970's and earlier in Europe and the UK.

OK, now you've gone off the deep end... seriously, seek help.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

This doesn't belong in this tread but i'll post it here anyway, the song of the day, from the latest Motorhead album and i post this in support of everyone who knows who they are. Motorize - Heroes:

Stand your ground and fight, you know that our cause, is right

We are the ones who's hope is young

Always doing our best

Stand and do you best

Stand and face the test

Until you fall, you must obey your call

Until you join the rest.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Dari
Isn't there an over-reliance on air strikes already? Wouldn't more soldiers be better?

A mixture of both will be just splendid throughout the tribal region.

Air strikes, proper coordination through SOF, and the overwhelming/unhindered use of both, were the single biggest factors in routing the Taliban from all of Afghanistan in 2002.

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And now improperly coordinated air strikes in Afghanistan are the single most likely reason for Nato to get booted out of Afghanistan. While also being the single most important reason Nato has little support inside of Afghanistan.

NATO has close to 100% support inside Afghanistan, this is truth, your made up shit doesn't help anyone, not ANYONE.

I don't know why you hate every US, UK, French, Canadian, German, Italian and Spaniard so extremely much, perhaps its because you hope for the demise of your and others nations so they can take over, i can HONESTLY not come to ANY other conclusion.

What do you want? To let them kill you, no of course you don't want that, but to kill others, well that is just fine, to rape their daughters to torture them for days, to shoot teenage girls through the vagina? nah, nothing you give a shit about, poor people of Afghanistan who get rid of that, maybe that is why they don't support us, but they do, some don't and those are known as the enemy.

I've already explained this to you one, after the first real clash, it was a constant party, we were all loved, we still are when we come down to Kabul, but we failed to secure an area that is in Pakistan, not to worry, we're fixing that now.

There is something about you that i really don't like and after the accusations you laid on me while excusing the real rapists, pedophiles and child murderers...

You're history son, this is the last reply you'll ever get from me, you are the most pathetic man i have ever had the displeasure of coming across.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I personally directed this strike and it's a Taliban stronghold, it took a week of watching them until i gave the get go.

None of them were innocent but even Talibans have families.

That's a contradictory statement in itself. You wish to say the families of the taliban are not innocent? I've never tasted how it feels like after murdering innocent people. Maybe you can share the experience once you realize what you have done. I don't wish to be harsh but that's reality. You just killed 15 innocents that included women and children. Why should I believe what you say? Your military intelligence has lied enough times already.

I'm sorry but I have very little respect for the ISAF. That respect diminishes every time I read a Palehorse post.

Having said that. The real war against terrorism is being fought by our troops. We are the ones who killed and captured more than 500 taliban last week. We almost caught Zawahiri. All our hard work and effort goes in vain by your stupid actions inside our territory. Give me one reason why I should believe you are here to help us? You are disrespecting our sovereignty. You are killing our innocents.

Terrorists are a bigger threat to us than to you. Look at how many civilians and military personnel have been killed by them in my Country. We are more concerned about getting rid off them. But NATO is full of itself and believe only it can do it. It's only making things worse. Perhaps we need to take a tougher stance against NATO.

Pakistan reserves right to retaliate, says Gen Tariq


ISLAMABAD: The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (JCSC), Gen Tariq Majid, has condemned attacks by the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) inside Pakistan.

He termed the attacks 'callous and wanton', saying that such cross-border strikes would further alienate the locals and ultimately prove to be counter-productive.

He was talking to German Defence Minister Franz Josef Jung at the Joint Staff Headquarters. He said Pakistan reserved the right to 'appropriately retaliate'.

The German minister exchanged views with the JCSC chairman focussing on bilateral ties and the regional security environment. Gen Tariq reiterated that a stable Afghanistan was in the interest of the region as well as Pakistan.

He accused the Afghan leadership of slandering Pakistan only to cover up its failings.

Blaming Pakistan?s intelligence agencies for recent killings of foreign nationals in Afghanistan was a case in point, he added.

Gen Tariq appreciated Germany?s 'pragmatism' in dealing with the security situation in Afghanistan.

Mr Jung appreciated the pivotal role of Pakistan in the fight against terrorism and its invaluable support to forces operating in Afghanistan.

The German minister also called on Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani. The prime minister observed the German government?s decision to allow export of small arms would strengthen Pakistan?s hand in the fight against terror.

Mr Gilani said that Pakistan is firmly committed to fighting terrorism. He briefed the German defence minister about Pakistan?s three-pronged strategy.

He called on the allied forces to desist from undertaking attacks on Pakistan?s territory as it led to sympathy for militants.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
NATO has close to 100% support inside Afghanistan, this is truth, your made up shit doesn't help anyone, not ANYONE.

Inside Pakistan they have close to 0%. I can't speak for Afghanistan but I find it hard to believe that anymore Afghans support you. The million+ Afghan refugees in Pakistan never have a kind word for the Americans.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Stand your ground and fight, you know that our cause, is right

That's exactly what the taliban must be thinking. The righteousness of America is just an illusion. You are as wrong as the taliban in my book.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I personally directed this strike and it's a Taliban stronghold, it took a week of watching them until i gave the get go.

None of them were innocent but even Talibans have families.

That's a contradictory statement in itself. You wish to say the families of the taliban are not innocent? I've never tasted how it feels like after murdering innocent people. Maybe you can share the experience once you realize what you have done. I don't wish to be harsh but that's reality. You just killed 15 innocents that included women and children. Why should I believe what you say? Your military intelligence has lied enough times already.

I'm sorry but I have very little respect for the ISAF. That respect diminishes every time I read a Palehorse post.

Having said that. The real war against terrorism is being fought by our troops. We are the ones who killed and captured more than 500 taliban last week. We almost caught Zawahiri. All our hard work and effort goes in vain by your stupid actions inside our territory. Give me one reason why I should believe you are here to help us? You are disrespecting our sovereignty. You are killing our innocents.

Terrorists are a bigger threat to us than to you. Look at how many civilians and military personnel have been killed by them in my Country. We are more concerned about getting rid off them. But NATO is full of itself and believe only it can do it. It's only making things worse. Perhaps we need to take a tougher stance against NATO.

Pakistan reserves right to retaliate, says Gen Tariq


ISLAMABAD: The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (JCSC), Gen Tariq Majid, has condemned attacks by the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) inside Pakistan.

He termed the attacks 'callous and wanton', saying that such cross-border strikes would further alienate the locals and ultimately prove to be counter-productive.

He was talking to German Defence Minister Franz Josef Jung at the Joint Staff Headquarters. He said Pakistan reserved the right to 'appropriately retaliate'.

The German minister exchanged views with the JCSC chairman focussing on bilateral ties and the regional security environment. Gen Tariq reiterated that a stable Afghanistan was in the interest of the region as well as Pakistan.

He accused the Afghan leadership of slandering Pakistan only to cover up its failings.

Blaming Pakistan?s intelligence agencies for recent killings of foreign nationals in Afghanistan was a case in point, he added.

Gen Tariq appreciated Germany?s 'pragmatism' in dealing with the security situation in Afghanistan.

Mr Jung appreciated the pivotal role of Pakistan in the fight against terrorism and its invaluable support to forces operating in Afghanistan.

The German minister also called on Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani. The prime minister observed the German government?s decision to allow export of small arms would strengthen Pakistan?s hand in the fight against terror.

Mr Gilani said that Pakistan is firmly committed to fighting terrorism. He briefed the German defence minister about Pakistan?s three-pronged strategy.

He called on the allied forces to desist from undertaking attacks on Pakistan?s territory as it led to sympathy for militants.

If you are laying down with dogs you will get fleas.