Obama offers up cuts to SS and Medicare

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A key feature of the plan Obama now is submitting for the federal budget year beginning Oct. 1 is a revised inflation adjustment called ‘‘chained CPI.’’ This new formula would effectively curb annual increases in a broad swath of government programs, but would have its biggest impact on Social Security. By encompassing Obama’s offer to Boehner, R-Ohio, the plan will also include reductions in Medicare spending, much of it by targeting payments to health care providers and drug companies.

http://bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2013/04/05/official-obama-proposes-cuts-social-security/wEAq2lB9Z4cdxrnSBxQwLI/story.html

It still remains to be seen if the Republicans will agree to more taxes to go along with these proposed cuts but its good to see meaningful offerings on the subject of SS and Medicare

I would prefer to see some discussion about slowly raising the retirement age but this is good to see so props to him for that
 

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So to fix the problem, instead of cutting the program overall which would also include adminstration, you want to cut payments to doctors and drug companies?

How about you just cut and not raise taxes? Cut down on the government and let more people keep their money to put to use.
 

ivwshane

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So to fix the problem, instead of cutting the program overall which would also include adminstration, you want to cut payments to doctors and drug companies?

How about you just cut and not raise taxes? Cut down on the government and let more people keep their money to put to use.

Yeah I'm pretty sure he is trying fix the problem which is how he is able to offer the cuts in the first place so...
 

fskimospy

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So to fix the problem, instead of cutting the program overall which would also include adminstration, you want to cut payments to doctors and drug companies?

How about you just cut and not raise taxes? Cut down on the government and let more people keep their money to put to use.

You realize that Medicare has some of the lowest administrative costs in the country already, right?
 

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I think he offered this up during the grand bargin. Your right, what would change now?

I was not aware that he offered chained CPI at that point. Even so actually putting it into a budget instead of just discussing it seems like progress to me
 

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You realize that Medicare has some of the lowest administrative costs in the country already, right?

And it is still the largest program, with just fraud and improper claims accounting for $48 billion in waste a year and just because it has the lowest doesn't mean it doesn't have a lot.
 

fskimospy

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And it is still the largest program, with just fraud and improper claims accounting for $48 billion in waste a year and just because it has the lowest doesn't mean it doesn't have a lot.

You realize that cutting administration would likely increase the fraud and improper claims levels, right?
 

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You realize that cutting administration would likely increase the fraud and improper claims levels, right?


So we are stuck between a rock and a hard place?

Increase money to adminstration to save on costs of fraud or cut money in general and lose money in fraud? That's government.

Or...

We could just cut medicare all together and save trillions.
 

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So we are stuck between a rock and a hard place?

Increase money to adminstration to save on costs of fraud or cut money in general and lose money in fraud? That's government.

Or...

We could just cut medicare all together and save trillions.

Great! So lets not have seniors get any affordable medical treatment.
 

fskimospy

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So we are stuck between a rock and a hard place?

Increase money to adminstration to save on costs of fraud or cut money in general and lose money in fraud? That's government.

Or...

We could just cut medicare all together and save trillions.

Your arguments really aren't making much sense. You're simultaneously complaining about fraud and waste while advocating for things that would increase fraud and waste.

Now you want to eliminate Medicare in its entirety? Maybe you could be more clear about how this would save 'trillions'? The only way you could save that much would be to no longer give the health care to the elderly that Medicare currently provides. Somehow I doubt you are advocating this. If you meant that you wanted to privatize Medicare this would actually cost us as a society more as Medicare is a more efficient provider of health care than private insurance.
 

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Your arguments really aren't making much sense. You're simultaneously complaining about fraud and waste while advocating for things that would increase fraud and waste.

Now you want to eliminate Medicare in its entirety? Maybe you could be more clear about how this would save 'trillions'? The only way you could save that much would be to no longer give the health care to the elderly that Medicare currently provides. Somehow I doubt you are advocating this. If you meant that you wanted to privatize Medicare this would actually cost us as a society more as Medicare is a more efficient provider of health care than private insurance.


The argument is your screwed either way. Cut anything and it will cost more?

Or we could cut in general and say goodbye to socialized medicine.

It would save trillions because that is what it is going to cost us in the years to come.
 
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Good for obama for offering up cuts but these cuts are not large enough. There needs to be much larger cuts to SS and Medicare/
 

ivwshane

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Private, charity or none.

That's some brilliant thinking right there!

Guess what costs have gone up higher than the rate of inflation? Guess what the number one cause of bankruptcy was before the housing crash?
Can you think of any reasons why having a healthy population might be a benefit to the country as well as to the people themselves?
Can you name some industrialized nations that don't have a universal healthcare system and who have a healthier population than us?

Your solution is simple for a reason, its stupid and hasn't worked.
 
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Private, charity or none.

Ah, the "don't get sick" model. That has been working so well.

Because the socialized model is broken because if you have population shifts there will always be a crisis in terms of cost. Offload that risk and put it on people to take care of themselves.

This 'economic choice' idea is total bunk. People constantly underestimate their risks and don't get appropriate medical coverage. They pay for it on the backend with their lives and we, as a society, pay for it through higher bills (because some couldn't pay but still received treatments or care), lower economic outputs, and other non-measurable costs.

Frankly, it's pretty barbaric that as a society, we cannot come together to find a way to take care of the sick to help make them better.
 
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