Vic
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Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: Vic
There's no mystery to it at all. In fact, it's obvious as hell. Even diehard conservatives aren't opposed to liberal policies so much as they are to "liberals" personally.
You have got to be kidding me. Diehard conservatives aren't opposed to liberal policies like universal healthcare, restrictive gun control laws, higher taxes, abortion on demand, affirmative action, environmental conservation, and welfare, it's just that they can't stand liberal elitists? They think those are all workable ideas other than that they've shoved down their throat? If someone just took the time to politely explain all those issues they'd jump on board!?
You've drunk so much Obama juice you are on another planet.
That's not what I said, but you did do an excellent job of demonstrating the attitude I was talking about. What I did say is that they are (and have been) far more willing to compromise than you give them credit for.
For example:
UHC - yes, if it saves them money while still providing them options. I think the conservatives' biggest concern is a monstrous intrusive mandatory system like what the UK has. And given the massive political power of our military-industrial complex, that's not an unfounded concern.
Gun control - why do we need more restrictive control laws when they are PROVEN not to work? If you want to take away the peoples' gun rights, you need a reason to do so, and that reason is lacking.
Higher taxes - they want lower spending as well, otherwise they're all for balanced budgets and protecting the middle class.
Abortion on demand - did you miss that vote in South Dakota not long ago? The pro-life movement is as DEAD as the gun control movement.
Affirmative action - Hello? a black man is going to be President of the United States.
Environmental conservation - some of the people most concerned about the environment are hunters and fishermen, who tend to be as conservative as they come.
Welfare - it's either that or prisons, and obviously the Bush-Clinton plan of building prisons has had only limited success.
It's silly that you argue that conservatives are simultaneously selfish AND against their own self-interest. Seriously, could you be any more disconnected? Your black-and-white world doesn't exist. And I think I can safely say that most of America is sick of leaders who try to pretend that it does.