Obama owned on Syria, folds like a Wet Noodle. Putin & Assad 1- USA 0

[thraashman]

I don't think you really know what conservative or liberal means.

It sounds like you regurgitate talking points and attack words, without any foundational knowledge of the things you say.

rational, thinking people acknowledge that the so-called liberals in the US--those in Congress, and based on the platform of the Democratic party, are significantly right of center.

There actually are liberal people in this country, they just aren't in Congress for the most part. The problem is most of your more liberal people don't get outraged enough to affect the political make up. Unlike the far right we don't have anything we'd consider extreme enough (you know like a black guy getting elected) to poke us into action. Hell, I'm center left and I'm left of all of Congress. Most people I know who lean liberal are as or more left than I am. The problem is that there is no such thing as center right anymore, they're all extreme right.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

The worst thing he could have done is what he did, try to bluff and fail.

No, the worst thing he could have done was along the lines of what the last guy did.

And it remains to be seen whether he "failed" or not. So far all he's done is make people who hate him whine a lot, and that's not really important.

 

[bshole]

Not sure if serious since many of the liberals are pretty extreme and want bigger government.

Somebody's up to their ankles in the deep end of the conservative thought pool.

 

[Incorruptible]

There actually are liberal people in this country, they just aren't in Congress for the most part. The problem is most of your more liberal people don't get outraged enough to affect the political make up. Unlike the far right we don't have anything we'd consider extreme enough (you know like a black guy getting elected) to poke us into action. Hell, I'm center left and I'm left of all of Congress. Most people I know who lean liberal are as or more left than I am. The problem is that there is no such thing as center right anymore, they're all extreme right.

Love how you got nothing so instead pull the race card.

 

[Paul98]

The worst thing he could have done is what he did, try to bluff and fail.

I'm OK with doing nothing but talking a big game then backing down is not good.

So you wanted the USA to attack Syria?

 

[palehorse]

IMO, the worst part in all of this is that now I honestly have no idea where the administration's goalposts are.

 

[bshole]

IMO, the worst part in all of this is that now I honestly have no idea where the administration's goalposts are.

As long as they aren't in Syria, I and most of America could really care less.

 

[Juddog]

As long as they aren't in Syria, I and most of America could really care less.

It matters deeply for some Republicans, since the president having a position on something means they must find a way to uphold the opposite position.

What really should happen is the president should troll the republicans and get them to like something because he's against it, then turn around and say "just kidding!"

For example, if the president said he was against buttsecks, suddenly you'd hear Rush Limbaugh talking about how great buttsecks is, then Faux News would have this big set of stories on how to have good buttsecks, then all the chirping birds in this forum would be parroting their talking points, going over personal stories of buttsecks that they encountered.

 

[waggy]

As long as they aren't in Syria, I and most of America could really care less.

pretty much it.

but i agree. i really don't have a clue where they were in regards to syria. I suspect his final goal was the removal of asshat.

shrug.

 

[dank69]

pretty much it.

but i agree. i really don't have a clue where they were in regards to syria. I suspect his final goal was the removal of asshat.

shrug.

So the possibility that he just wants to stop the use of chemical weapons isn't even on the table?

 

[dainthomas]

Not sure if serious since many of the liberals are pretty extreme and want bigger government.

The Conservative party in the UK lines up pretty well with Democrats in the US. David Cameron supports gay marriage for crying out loud.

 

[Jaskalas]

Doesn't look like this agreement has really done anything to protect the people of Syria, in fact it appears the fighting continues as if nothing was done.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...055736-1e3a-11e3-8459-657e0c72fec8_story.html

It was meant to deal with the WMDs, not touch the war.

 

[Fern]

The Conservative party in the UK lines up pretty well with Democrats in the US. David Cameron supports gay marriage for crying out loud.

Poor example.

Dick Cheney has been publicly supporting gay marriage for years now. He's as right wing as they come. Then there are others like Chris Christie etc. who also support it.

Fern

 

[Jaskalas]

The worst thing he could have done is what he did, try to bluff and fail.

I'm OK with doing nothing but talking a big game then backing down is not good.

Killing a few people and THEN backing down would be even worse.

 

[thraashman]

Poor example.

Dick Cheney has been publicly supporting gay marriage for years now. He's as right wing as they come. Then there are others like Chris Christie etc. who also support it.

Fern

However do you believe for a moment that Dick Cheney would support gay marriage if his daughter wasn't a lesbian? Chris Christie is basically the last bastion of moderate conservative and may be the only hope for Republicans to reconnect with the masses. But he is pretty much right, the only thing more conservative than the US as a nation are Islamic theocracies, and the US's "left-wing" lines up closer to most countries conservative parties.

 

[Fern]

However do you believe for a moment that Dick Cheney would support gay marriage if his daughter wasn't a lesbian? Chris Christie is basically the last bastion of moderate conservative and may be the only hope for Republicans to reconnect with the masses. But he is pretty much right, the only thing more conservative than the US as a nation are Islamic theocracies, and the US's "left-wing" lines up closer to most countries conservative parties.

Irrelevant.

My point is that it is a poor litmus test. Recent polling I saw showed 52% of Repub voters support it. I live in the South and there are plenty of blue collar types Democrat voters who don't.

Fern

 

[werepossum]

IMO, the worst part in all of this is that now I honestly have no idea where the administration's goalposts are.

True. That has an upside though - he can claim victory from almost any set of circumstances. Especially since, as bshole points out, the vast majority of us don't really care as long as we aren't dragged into war.

1. I forced Assad to give up his chemical weapons. Victory is mine!
2. I forced Assad to stop using his chemical weapons. Victory is mine!
3. I forced Assad to briefly stop using his chemical weapons. Victory is mine!
4. I forced Assad to consider giving up his chemical weapons. Victory is mine!
5. I drew a red line and when Assad crossed it, I, um, uh . . . Look! The economy!

Okay, almost any set of circumstances.

Poor example.

Dick Cheney has been publicly supporting gay marriage for years now. He's as right wing as they come. Then there are others like Chris Christie etc. who also support it.

Fern

True. Dick Cheney rules. Lynn Cheney also rules and is still fairly hot.

Chris Christie does not rule. Chris Christie is not hot. However, I'll likely hold my nose at his anti-Second Amendment views and vote for him. Unless Gary Johnson is running again, then screw the Pubbies.

Killing a few people and THEN backing down would be even worse.

QFT.

 

[dainthomas]

Poor example.

Dick Cheney has been publicly supporting gay marriage for years now. He's as right wing as they come. Then there are others like Chris Christie etc. who also support it.

Fern

One out of millions. But that's beside the point. The fiscal policies of the conservatives over there are pretty much to the left of the democrats. Not to mention gun control, health care, etc.

 

[Darwin333]

You libertards please think about it.

If Obama isn't willing to pull the trigger after his red line is crossed. What changes in a year?

The only reasonable argument you can make is Obama was foolish for issuing the red line in the first place. Not getting us ass deep in another middle east conflict that is no threat to us is a good thing not a bad thing.

 

[Darwin333]

IMO, the worst part in all of this is that now I honestly have no idea where the administration's goalposts are.

Concerning Syria, why do you care? Where would your goalposts be if you were president?

 

[Fern]

One out of millions. But that's beside the point. The fiscal policies of the conservatives over there are pretty much to the left of the democrats. Not to mention gun control, health care, etc.

I thought they were pursuing "austerity' policies?

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

Irrelevant.

My point is that it is a poor litmus test. Recent polling I saw showed 52% of Repub voters support it. I live in the South and there are plenty of blue collar types Democrat voters who don't.

Fern

I think you may be mistaking 52% of all voters for 52% of Republican voters. Republican/conservative support for gay marriage is usually in the 20's-30's somewhere. In contrast, in recent years polling always shows majority Democrat support for gay marriage, usually somewhere 60%+.

Republican support is higher than it used to be, but I'm not aware of any polling that has shown majority Republican support for gay marriage or anything close to it.

 

[fskimospy]

I thought they were pursuing "austerity' policies?

Fern

They are! It all depends on how you define fiscal policy. The conservatives in most other countries frequently believe in government spending as a larger percentage of GDP than the Democrats do in America. That's fiscal policy. Since the financial crisis, they have been (generally) pursuing austerity.

So you could say their default size and scope of government stance is to the left of many US Democrats but their response to the financial crisis was to the right.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Poor example.

Dick Cheney has been publicly supporting gay marriage for years now. He's as right wing as they come. Then there are others like Chris Christie etc. who also support it.

Now there's some real Grade A cherry-picking.

General trends about groups aren't invalidated by a handful of counterexamples. Every single person here knows that the vast majority of opposition to gay rights comes from conservatives. I'm baffled that you'd even try to argue against that.

Are you seriously going to tell me that a Republican candidate for president in 2012 would have survived the primary process being pro-gay-marriage?

This place is like the Twilight Zone.

 

[dainthomas]

I thought they were pursuing "austerity' policies?

Fern

Their "austerity" includes trying to cut the top tax rate to 40% and slowing the increase of public health care spending. And the conservatives just increased the VAT a couple years ago I believe.