Obama press conference thread

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: spidey07
Admits to rationing care and government control of care - "must not be the most expensive treatment, just the best"

Yes, and spidey07 admittedly cheers on medical waste in private care. Gee, i wonder which side i want t obe on.

Don't put words in my mouth and stay on topic please.

We don't have to. To quote you:

Originally posted by: spidey07
If the outcome is the best healthcare in the world I really don't care how much it costs or how inefficient it is

Needless to say, spidey07 isn't exactly the person to listen to on the subject of health care. Or much of anything else for that matter.

 

[cubby1223]

This forum continues to be nothing but a cesspool of I.Q. draining sludge.

The only argument the resident liberals can *ever* come up with is "The choice is either blind faith in Obama & Pelosi, or it's supporting corporate greed - there are no other options!!!!"

You're wrong.

Yet you idiots continue to spew your crap and never come up with anything substantial.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: sportage
His winning point in just a few words.
The current status "is not" a winning, sustainable option.
Costs of his plan, a gov plan, cannot or should not be compared
to the current plan.
Some people believe things are just great now.
Just wait 5 years when your employer drops healthcare
as too costly of a benefit. THEN what will YOU do???
(I know... cry for a gov healthcare plan. Ops... too late)

Because exactly this will sooooo happen.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
This forum continues to be nothing but a cesspool of I.Q. draining sludge.

The only argument the resident liberals can *ever* come up with is "The choice is either blind faith in Obama & Pelosi, or it's supporting corporate greed - there are no other options!!!!"

You're wrong.

Yet you idiots continue to spew your crap and never come up with anything substantial.

You're complaining about this place being a 'cesspool of I.Q. draining sludge', and then you create a hilariously obvious straw man out of the position of those you disagree with and use it to call people names.

Physician, heal thyself.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
This forum continues to be nothing but a cesspool of I.Q. draining sludge.

The only argument the resident liberals can *ever* come up with is "The choice is either blind faith in Obama & Pelosi, or it's supporting corporate greed - there are no other options!!!!"

You're wrong.

Yet you idiots continue to spew your crap and never come up with anything substantial.

And at this rate we will never get a contending third party either... our country is fucked.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: spidey07
I can see that this conference was meant to push his agenda, regarding health insurance. But if you watched it I'd say 1/3 to 1/2 of it was related to that. I mean I didn't even get drunk off the keywords in my OP, so my OP failed on some levels.

Keep up your efforts, don't let this one thread get you down...
You'll be back to multi-level failure in no time!

Does it count if I got drunk anyway? Is that like a successful failure? Or a multi-level failure.

I guess a good hangover might elevate it to multi-level...

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: spidey07
Admits to rationing care and government control of care - "must not be the most expensive treatment, just the best"

Yes, and spidey07 admittedly cheers on medical waste in private care. Gee, i wonder which side i want t obe on.

Don't put words in my mouth and stay on topic please.

We don't have to. To quote you:

Originally posted by: spidey07
If the outcome is the best healthcare in the world I really don't care how much it costs or how inefficient it is

Needless to say, spidey07 isn't exactly the person to listen to on the subject of health care. Or much of anything else for that matter.

So I want the best treatment for the patient regardless? Yeah, I'm the bad guy in all of this.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: cubby1223
This forum continues to be nothing but a cesspool of I.Q. draining sludge.

The only argument the resident liberals can *ever* come up with is "The choice is either blind faith in Obama & Pelosi, or it's supporting corporate greed - there are no other options!!!!"

You're wrong.

Yet you idiots continue to spew your crap and never come up with anything substantial.

You're complaining about this place being a 'cesspool of I.Q. draining sludge', and then you create a hilariously obvious straw man out of the position of those you disagree with and use it to call people names.

Physician, heal thyself.

Well there are a lot statements in P&N threads that boil down to this sentiment: "You don't like this current UHC bill?! You must be a right wing, corporate-ball-sucking, neocon idiot!!"

And that gets a bit old...

Edit: I will say this: read the bill... or at least first couple hundred pages which contains most of the meat of the bill and certainly enough to get a healthy idea of the bill. The bill provides a general framework for UHC only and a lot of important 'details' to be figured out later by a 'comissioner' that the POTUS gets to appoint. I don't like "we'll figure it all out and insert numbers/criteria later"... not good. The bill reeks of "I don't know what numbers and criteria for this or that will actually work but whatever they are we'll figure them out later and use those numbers/criteria/ rules. Seriously... you don't design anything "that is actually supposed to work" that way. I can honestly say I have no idea what the UHC bill will actually deliver and what is more... it seems evident that what UHC "IS" could change from POTUS to POTUS due to the appointed commissioner's huge influence in the system... i don't like that either. The POTUS already has far too many powers... way more than intended in the constitution as penned and signed. The POTUS doesn't need to have UHC in a choke hold.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: spidey07
Admits to rationing care and government control of care - "must not be the most expensive treatment, just the best"

Yes, and spidey07 admittedly cheers on medical waste in private care. Gee, i wonder which side i want t obe on.

Don't put words in my mouth and stay on topic please.

We don't have to. To quote you:

Originally posted by: spidey07
If the outcome is the best healthcare in the world I really don't care how much it costs or how inefficient it is

Needless to say, spidey07 isn't exactly the person to listen to on the subject of health care. Or much of anything else for that matter.

So I want the best treatment for the patient regardless? Yeah, I'm the bad guy in all of this.

From a public policy perspective it's most certainly an idiotic position. How this is all flying over your head escapes me.

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: cubby1223
This forum continues to be nothing but a cesspool of I.Q. draining sludge.

The only argument the resident liberals can *ever* come up with is "The choice is either blind faith in Obama & Pelosi, or it's supporting corporate greed - there are no other options!!!!"

You're wrong.

Yet you idiots continue to spew your crap and never come up with anything substantial.

You're complaining about this place being a 'cesspool of I.Q. draining sludge', and then you create a hilariously obvious straw man out of the position of those you disagree with and use it to call people names.

Physician, heal thyself.

Well there are a lot statements in P&N threads that boil down to this sentiment: "You don't like this current UHC bill?! You must be a right wing, corporate-ball-sucking, neocon idiot!!"

And that gets a bit old...

I don't even like the current UHC bill. Not enough cost controls. However, there are just so many people here who have some perverse psychological desire to have Obama fail that they criticize every single proposal. It's just irritating.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

And at this rate we will never get a contending third party either... our country is fucked.

A contending third party is rendered effectively impossible by the way the Constitution sets up our electoral system.

It's never going to happen. Period.

 

[spidey07]

Mods - please lock it up. It went to a YAHCT.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Mods - please lock it up. It went to a YAHCT.

Hahaha,

'WHY IS EVERYONE DISCUSSING HEALTH CARE IN A THREAD ABOUT THE PRESIDENT TALKING ABOUT HEALTH CARE. WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE TELEPROMPTER INSTEAD.'

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: spidey07
Mods - please lock it up. It went to a YAHCT.

Hahaha,

'WHY IS EVERYONE DISCUSSING HEALTH CARE IN A THREAD ABOUT THE PRESIDENT TALKING ABOUT HEALTH CARE. WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE TELEPROMPTER INSTEAD.'

I could have sworn he started it on the economy, but lets not get in the way of your talking points memo.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: spidey07
Mods - please lock it up. It went to a YAHCT.

Hahaha,

'WHY IS EVERYONE DISCUSSING HEALTH CARE IN A THREAD ABOUT THE PRESIDENT TALKING ABOUT HEALTH CARE. WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE TELEPROMPTER INSTEAD.'

There is an amount of self moderation here, you should know this. They can decide, I was giving public permission.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

And at this rate we will never get a contending third party either... our country is fucked.

A contending third party is rendered effectively impossible by the way the Constitution sets up our electoral system.

It's never going to happen. Period.

Wishful thinking on my part, i guess.

Yeah our electoral system sucks donkey balls.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: spidey07
Mods - please lock it up. It went to a YAHCT.

Hahaha,

'WHY IS EVERYONE DISCUSSING HEALTH CARE IN A THREAD ABOUT THE PRESIDENT TALKING ABOUT HEALTH CARE. WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE TELEPROMPTER INSTEAD.'

I could have sworn he started it on the economy, but lets not get in the way of your talking points memo.

Hrmm, I guess the OP must have been referring to the 'public option' about the economy. The public economy? I'm confused, feel free to enlighten me.

Oh, and calling spidey07 stupid is now a talking point? It would be pretty awesome if it was, but I somehow doubt the national party is so concerned with ATPN.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: spidey07
Mods - please lock it up. It went to a YAHCT.

Hahaha,
'WHY IS EVERYONE DISCUSSING HEALTH CARE IN A THREAD ABOUT THE PRESIDENT TALKING ABOUT HEALTH CARE. WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE TELEPROMPTER INSTEAD.'

I could have sworn he started it on the economy, but lets not get in the way of your talking points memo.

Obama press conference thread.

Right up there at the top of the page, where even poor lupi might accidentally stumble across it, if he accidentally slips his blinders...

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: OCguy
Did we seriously elect this guy?

His own party is trying to delay this.

not surprising since his own party is under a three way split.

Indeed! Imagine the republicans actually disagree with their fearless leader on something. Perspective and integrity, just 2 of the little things sorely lacking from the GOP and their minions.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: senseamp
Refreshing to see someone as informed and articulate talk on the subject.

He's off teleprompter now, you must be on a big delay.

I am watching him answer questions.
Amazing.

Yeah, those pre-screened questions really present him with a great opportunity to spell the plan out.

So you noticed he had to look down to call on a reporter each time? "oh yes, you may ask a question...it's right here on my list!"

Again, stop pretending like you give a shit about this NOW. You look like a total fool when you talk about the questions being asked. You know it's a really a shame you can't tell when you are being disingenuous because you look like a fool. You have zero credibility on this subject.

 

[MyThirdEye]

Originally posted by: spidey07
"Let's not talk about how to pay for it"

bwahahhhahahah!

i lol'd

 

[MyThirdEye]

I'm still confused on how free/lowered healthcare will lower the national debt? I didn't listen to the whole thing, but I caught a good chunk of his session.

Quality > Quantity IMO

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: senseamp
Refreshing to see someone as informed and articulate talk on the subject.

He's off teleprompter now, you must be on a big delay.

I am watching him answer questions.
Amazing.

I'm watching his body language and his eyes. The constant eye blinking is the sign of somebody who is lieing and is unsure of his statements.

You mean "lying?"

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: cubby1223
This forum continues to be nothing but a cesspool of I.Q. draining sludge.

The only argument the resident liberals can *ever* come up with is "The choice is either blind faith in Obama & Pelosi, or it's supporting corporate greed - there are no other options!!!!"

You're wrong.

Yet you idiots continue to spew your crap and never come up with anything substantial.

You're complaining about this place being a 'cesspool of I.Q. draining sludge', and then you create a hilariously obvious straw man out of the position of those you disagree with and use it to call people names.

Physician, heal thyself.

Well there are a lot statements in P&N threads that boil down to this sentiment: "You don't like this current UHC bill?! You must be a right wing, corporate-ball-sucking, neocon idiot!!"

And that gets a bit old...

Edit: I will say this: read the bill... or at least first couple hundred pages which contains most of the meat of the bill and certainly enough to get a healthy idea of the bill. The bill provides a general framework for UHC only and a lot of important 'details' to be figured out later by a 'comissioner' that the POTUS gets to appoint. I don't like "we'll figure it all out and insert numbers/criteria later"... not good. The bill reeks of "I don't know what numbers and criteria for this or that will actually work but whatever they are we'll figure them out later and use those numbers/criteria/ rules. Seriously... you don't design anything "that is actually supposed to work" that way. I can honestly say I have no idea what the UHC bill will actually deliver and what is more... it seems evident that what UHC "IS" could change from POTUS to POTUS due to the appointed commissioner's huge influence in the system... i don't like that either. The POTUS already has far too many powers... way more than intended in the constitution as penned and signed. The POTUS doesn't need to have UHC in a choke hold.

Until you learn to use a period correctly, and not an ellipsis, then I'm not reading a damn thing you write. Buy a grammar book, and do it fucking right.

 

[ericlp]

Oh well, another good speech by Obama. Hopefully this country can get this passed. Time will tell I guess.