Obama says do the debt ceiling now, or else.

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michal1980

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This whole absurdity that if we don't raise our debt ceiling we will default on our obligations is complete Bullshit.

The only way we will ever default is if the President of the United States and his Treasury Sec say fuck the debtors. Our tax revenues far far exceed our interest payments monthly.



+1 The president is fear mongering.
 

GaiaHunter

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Isn't this thread from last year?

Why don't they just remove the debt ceiling?

We all know that politicians will never reduce spending willingly and since they have the power to change the rules they should abide for, we get this circus every few months.
 

Angry Irishman

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You are not very bright. Treating "compromise" as an absolute ideal allows the other side to set their demands to such an extreme that in the "compromise" they get everything, which is exactly the game the Republicans are playing. "Agree to nothing no matter how far Obama bends over backwards, and let Fox News spin how he's an eeebil librul and and scary, uppity black man who won't agree to anything."

You can't endlessly play the game of *0.5

You say "1", I say "0".
Meet me halfway!
0.5!
Ok, now we've established that your position is "0.5", and I'm at "0". So, in the spirit of compromise, why don't you meet me halfway?
0.25
Hey, now we're talking. But my constituents really want "0". Why don't you help me out and meet me halfway?
0.125
Hey, that's pretty good. But I've been thinking that "0" is really too much of a compromise for me. What I really wanted from the beginning was "-0.125." We're pretty close, so why don't you just meet me halfway and we'll call it a done deal?

Here's a hint: You're not the one doing the leading in that scenario.

Pro tip for you....don't comment in public; you're rambling and I'm pretty certain you're heavily self medicated or mentally ill. Should he just not even try? WTF? You think CNN is any better?

BTW, I'm not a Republican or Democrat and don't buy any of the media BS. I do, however, expect the President of the United States to lead regardless of his party affiliation. Making speeches and finger pointing at Republicans hasn't worked too well since he's been in office and it's just leading to heels being dug in deeper on both sides.

Oh yea...fuck off.
 
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randomrogue

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You can tell how blinded the American public is just by this discussion. Rather than address the issues you guys talk more about Republicans vs Democrats.

They need to solve the problems and not bicker politically over stupid shit.
 
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It's called leverage something the Republicants don't have.....

falsely putting fear into the liberal retarded media watching crowd is hardly leverage. It is striking false fear into the general public - which is more along the lines of Hitler.
 

Ausm

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falsely putting fear into the liberal retarded media watching crowd is hardly leverage. It is striking false fear into the general public - which is more along the lines of Hitler.

LMAO What "false fear" is President Obama putting into people's minds? The damage caused by not raising the Debt ceiling can't possibly be a "nonfactor" especially when the Rethuglicants are holding a gun to the America's head threatening to get their way? They must believe it is pretty important. What President Obama was doing in that News conference was framing what kind of hostage taking the Rethugs were engaging in and also making sure they OWN the fallout.
 
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Bird222

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This whole absurdity that if we don't raise our debt ceiling we will default on our obligations is complete Bullshit.

The only way we will ever default is if the President of the United States and his Treasury Sec say fuck the debtors. Our tax revenues far far exceed our interest payments monthly.

The govt does have other things to pay for too. So what would you choose to pay troops, social security, or interest payments?
 

IronWing

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Like I said, it's a start. Not the end, no. But we have to start somewhere. And screw those who say we need to start by throwing more money at the problem.
We need to throw more money at the problem. We need to throw today's money at the problem instead of borrowing against tomorrow. Raise taxes to cover spending and spending will come down. Why would any politician get serious about cutting spending when spending costs them nothing politically?

Cutting taxes in the absence of a balanced budget requirement as a method of driving down spending has a three decade record of utter failure. To get anywhere with spending cuts we have to make spending hurt at the time the spending is done. To do that we have to raise taxes to cover spending at the time the spending is proposed.

Force the voters to think about costs. You want America to have the most advanced fighter plane in the world? Okay, that fighter costs $8,000 per household. Your taxes will go up to pay for it. You want grandpa to have "free" drugs? Here's the bill, payable today. Deficits and debt numbers don't excite the voters like actual, immediate tax hikes.
 

PokerGuy

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This is what the left thinks is "leadership": blame the other party for your failures. Brilliant, no wonder we're in this mess.
 
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LMAO What "false fear" is President Obama putting into people's minds? The damage caused by not raising the Debt ceiling can't possibly be a "nonfactor" especially when the Rethuglicants are holding a gun to the America's head threatening to get their way? They must believe it is pretty important. What President Obama was doing in that News conference was framing what kind of hostage taking the Rethugs were engaging in and also making sure they OWN the fallout.

Obongo to Liberal News: "Listen general public, make the right wing congress give in fully or our country is going to fall!"

Congress: "We are willing to compromise, but you need to compromise as well. We are awaiting your call and are open for discussion"

Obongo to Liberal News: "I'm srs guiz. The United States will not stand for this! WE CANNOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. RAISE THE DEBT CEILING NOW! ... Even though 5 years ago I said raising the debt ceiling is bad"
 

zsdersw

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This is what the left thinks is "leadership": blame the other party for your failures. Brilliant, no wonder we're in this mess.

This is what the right thinks is "leadership": blame the other party for your failures. Brilliant, no wonder we're in this mess.
 
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Ugh, you are all such fantastic representations of the idiots on both sides of the fence.

:thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
 

Ausm

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Obongo to Liberal News: "Listen general public, make the right wing congress give in fully or our country is going to fall!"

Congress: "We are willing to compromise, but you need to compromise as well. We are awaiting your call and are open for discussion"

Obongo to Liberal News: "I'm srs guiz. The United States will not stand for this! WE CANNOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. RAISE THE DEBT CEILING NOW! ... Even though 5 years ago I said raising the debt ceiling is bad"

I thought you Rethuglicants don't like to revisit History like in GWB's case?
 

IronWing

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Indeed... and what I see is that Obama is no more or less partisan than any other president in recent history.
All Presidents have been partisan hacks. That is how they become President. If a pol can't carry the party he/she won't be on the ballot.
 
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I thought you Rethuglicants don't like to revisit History like in GWB's case?

What does contradicting yourself have to do with past economic downfalls under a different president?

I have a feeling liberals have wet dreams about GWB, you bring him up so often it's like a fetish.
 
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Just trying to call attention to the fact that President Obama, called a press conference today (unusual), and blamed Republicans, in advance.

He called a press conference to blame Republicans in advance.

Ladies and Gentlemen, your President.

-John

That POS is not my president but I am not surprised by his ignorance though. He must cut the spending to fix the economy
 
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