Why? You don't pay your fair share.
See how that works? I can throw out statements with no proof or any evidence to back them and hope they stick, just like you do.
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This is great. You rich Republicans touted a bogus line of Trickle Down economics for years, now that the tide is turned I call it Trickle Up Economics and you guys call it "dangerous".
Like I said the best thing for you guys is if you don't like it you are free to leave otherwise, too bad, suck it up and about time you pay your fair share.
There's your real Trickle Down economics, listening to the sound of the change coming out of your pockets.
Cha Ching baby Go Messiah Go :thumbsup:
Progressives need to stand up to VAT, Obama should stop adopting right wing ideas like funding government through regressive sales taxes.
Whereas you know better based on ... ?"support" as in defend or agree with those who voted for them.
I don't know who you think the smart people are but it sounds like you bought into the "collapse" propaganda they put out.
Glad to hear it, but I wasn't responding to you. I was responding to HACP who consistently demonstrates he is 110% clueless about such matters, blindly parroting today's RNC propaganda points without the faintest glimmer of a clue what he's talking about.Uh, sorry but when the topic is social welfare and the like - it makes sense to talk about that area. If you want to talk corporate welfare and the like - that's a different subject. You'd be hard pressed to find me supporting Federal corporate welfare ...
OK, cool. It's just so unlike you to concede (even implicitly) you were wrong. Glad you recognize the poor clearly do have skin in the game, and that "partisans" aren't limited to political parties.Your earlier reply is covered in the other thread. You know, the one where you won't accept reality.
You know better. Endlessly repeating the same lie doesn't make it true. Most of your mythical "50%" pay plenty of taxes. They simply don't pay federal income taxes. Further, many of them pay nothing because they're like my teenage son. He earned a little money at a part-time job but not enough to actually owe federal income tax.... People like me are sick and tired of footing the bill for the 50% of Americans who don't pay taxes. ...
People like me are sick and tired of footing the bill for the 50% of Americans who don't pay taxes. Time for some accountability for those folks. I don't care if they have 8 kids and are on a middle-class income level -- tough crap, they made the decision and now time to pay up.
You know better. Endlessly repeating the same lie doesn't make it true. Most of your mythical "50%" pay plenty of taxes. They simply don't pay federal income taxes. Further, many of them pay nothing because they're like my teenage son. He earned a little money at a part-time job but not enough to actually owe federal income tax.
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... People like me are sick and tired of footing the bill for the 50% of Americans who don't pay taxes. ...
The very simple solution to him and his kind being "sick and tired of footing the bill for the 50% of Americans who don't pay taxes" is to simply leave.
They won't be missed so why are they still here?
You know better. Endlessly repeating the same lie doesn't make it true. Most of your mythical "50%" pay plenty of taxes. They simply don't pay federal income taxes.
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Fixed for you. Everyone should be paying, not just the "rich." When I say this, I am referring primarily to income taxes (yes, I know we all pay sales tax, taxes on gas, etc). Those who are getting refunds that are larger than their total withholdings for the year are the first ones I'd tackle by either eliminating those credits or placing a cap on the refund amount so you would never get back more than your employer withheld.
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Originally Posted by blanghorst
... People like me are sick and tired of footing the bill for the 50% of Americans who don't pay taxes. ...
The very simple solution to him and his kind being "sick and tired of footing the bill for the 50% of Americans who don't pay taxes" is to simply leave.
They won't be missed so why are they still here?
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Originally Posted by blanghorst
... People like me are sick and tired of footing the bill for the 50% of Americans who don't pay taxes. ...
The very simple solution to him and his kind being "sick and tired of footing the bill for the 50% of Americans who don't pay taxes" is to simply leave.
They won't be missed so why are they still here?
You are giving Dave too much credit in the foresight department. He wouldn't miss you until the last rich person left. There's always another back to jump onto - until the last one shrugs and disappears (which sadly isn't ever going to happen).Actually people like Blanghorst and I would be sorely missed. You see Dave, we are the ones who pull the wagon, so to speak. The wagon is filled with degenerates (such as yourself) that cannot sustain themselves, and rely on productive citizens (Blanghorst and myself) to come up with the money to pay for your dumbass.
I showed you how the 50% of Americans who pay no federal income tax actually pay nearly as much of their incomes in total taxes as the rest of us on page 7 of this thread, And yet you rave on about the 50% who "don't pay taxes", as if that assertion has any relation to the truth whatsoever. It doesn't, but you seem to believe it does, quite fervently. Apparently, you're quite willing to believe in lies because they fit in with the rest of what you believe.
blanghorst said:Fixed for you. Everyone should be paying, not just the "rich." When I say this, I am referring primarily to income taxes (yes, I know we all pay sales tax, taxes on gas, etc). Those who are getting refunds that are larger than their total withholdings for the year are the first ones I'd tackle by either eliminating those credits or placing a cap on the refund amount so you would never get back more than your employer withheld.
Actually people like Blanghorst and I would be sorely missed. You see Dave, we are the ones who pull the wagon, so to speak. The wagon is filled with degenerates (such as yourself) that cannot sustain themselves, and rely on productive citizens (Blanghorst and myself) to come up with the money to pay for your dumbass.
Sorry, that's a cop-out. The "50%" statistic is misleading enough when presented accurately, but it becomes deliberate propaganda when one conveniently omits the critical fact it is narrowly limited to federal income taxes. You and I may know the true story, but your careless wording misleads those who don't.Yeah, and guess what? The half of Americans paying income taxes also pay those taxes. I've made it clear (or so I thought) on numerous occasions that I was referring to income taxes.
Sorry, that's a cop-out. The "50%" statistic is misleading enough when presented accurately, but it becomes deliberate propaganda when one conveniently omits the critical fact it is narrowly limited to federal income taxes. You and I may know the true story, but your careless wording misleads those who don't.
"Something like 50% of all Americans don't pay a dime of taxes and that is a crock," is itself a crock. The truth is many of that "50%" pay plenty of taxes, at a total effective rate on par with -- and sometimes higher than -- some of the wealthiest people in America. Yet too many ignorant people accept such propaganda at face value, using it to justify their hatred and discrimination against the have-nots of society They "know" it's the working poor and retirees who are "the bottom feeders of society," not multimillionaire tax evaders at the top. They thus become witless tools for those who want to stack the deck even more in favor of the have-mores.
Actually people like Blanghorst and I would be sorely missed. You see Dave, we are the ones who pull the wagon, so to speak.
And if a substantial portion of that "50%" actually got credits that offset most of their other taxes, you'd have a point. Otherwise you're just blowing smoke.Bullshit. Federal tax "credits" that refund more than the income tax paid are essentially rebates for other taxes collected. I would bet that most who qualify for those tax credits pay out a net zero in taxes or, better yet, still come out ahead with a negative tax burden.
This is great. You rich Republicans touted a bogus line of Trickle Down economics for years, now that the tide is turned I call it Trickle Up Economics and you guys call it "dangerous".David Cowen exhibits a dangerous level of what I would call "bitter envy". Someone else has something, you think you deserve it and want it instead, and if you can't have it they shouldn't have it either.
It is disgustingly destructive to societies.
Like I said the best thing for you guys is if you don't like it you are free to leave otherwise, too bad, suck it up and about time you pay your fair share.
There's your real Trickle Down economics, listening to the sound of the change coming out of your pockets.
Cha Ching baby Go Messiah Go :thumbsup:
I'm not republican
What wagon?
Your gravy wagon on the backs of the middle class that Republicans have so fiercely beaten up by sending all jobs overseas?
The wagon you wonder why the wheels fell off and won't go anymore?
You reap what you sow. You forgot to sow so you reap nothing.
Sorry, that's a cop-out. The "50%" statistic is misleading enough when presented accurately, but it becomes deliberate propaganda when one conveniently omits the critical fact it is narrowly limited to federal income taxes. You and I may know the true story, but your careless wording misleads those who don't.
"Something like 50% of all Americans don't pay a dime of taxes and that is a crock," is itself a crock. The truth is many of that "50%" pay plenty of taxes, at a total effective rate on par with -- and sometimes higher than -- some of the wealthiest people in America.
Yet too many ignorant people accept such propaganda at face value, using it to justify their hatred and discrimination against the have-nots of society They "know" it's the working poor and retirees who are "the bottom feeders of society," not multimillionaire tax evaders at the top.
They thus become witless tools for those who want to stack the deck even more in favor of the have-mores.
Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, must be a duck.
but but but Obama said he wouldn't raise taxes on those making under 250,000.
He promised!!!
VAT is voluntary as long as the product isn't necessary to survival, so it wouldn't violate that pledge.
Thats kind of a cop out, dont you think? Do you think most Americans will share your sentiment, or do you think most will feel he broke his pledge?