Obama suggests value-added tax may be an option

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Bowfinger

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BS. In one of my first posts I said "Income taxes. ..."
I understand what you said in your first post. You made multiple statements afterward that mentioned just "taxes" without qualification. Few people read anything beyond the last page of the thread. They see sweeping claims like, ""Something like 50% of all Americans don't pay a dime of taxes," and they accept them at face value (which is exactly what I already explained). That is misleading. You can see other people in this very thread who began parroting the false claim in ignorant bliss.

It may well be you personally had no intent to deceive. There are plenty of dishonest partisans, however, who spread their propaganda by deliberately making distorted claims. When challenged, they too will cop-out with, "You know what I meant." It becomes hard to tell the careless from the dishonest.

The way to avoid being lumped with the propagandists is to choose your words more carefully. It only takes two to change your comments from blatantly dishonest to merely misleading: "federal income" taxes.


And too many ignorant people want to continually make excuses for the poor and use them as a pawn to justify their political viewpoints. See how that works?
Indeed. Many of the poor are, in fact, bottom feeders and they deserve scorn for sitting on their lazy asses draining everything they can get from society. They are a minority, however. Many other "poor" people work their butts off, often with multiple jobs. They likely could have made better decisions in their lives ... but that can be said for all of us.


Also, where did I mention that there weren't multimillionaire tax evaders? The Obama administration is full of them, it seems. Those guys are doing something illegal and need to be punished and prosecuted accordingly. No one would argue against that. I am not here to discuss criminal offenses (of which tax evasion is one), because I would never argue that these guys should not be prosecuted. ...
I wasn't really talking about illegal tax evasion either. I'm thinking more of all the legal evasions and loopholes that have been lobbied into the system. For example, the preferential treatment of capital gains income is a huge give-away that overwhelmingly benefits extremely wealthy investors. It's the single biggest reason their effective tax rates are often lower than the middle class and upper middle class.
 

Bowfinger

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Why are you so stupid
I know you have a hard-on for Dave, but I think your gratuitous personal attacks are getting way out of hand. In this and other threads I see you contributing nothing even remotely on topic. It's one thing to say, "You're an idiot ... because your views on XYZ ignore ABC." You're just nasty for the sake of being nasty.

In this case Dave is right. Anyone who's been here long knows Soccerballtux consistently posts comments that are 100% GOP compliant. That doesn't prove he's a Republican, but it's a natural assumption based on his track record.
 

IndyColtsFan

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I didn't express a sentiment, I stated a fact as I see it.

I don't know what public opinion would be.

My opinion about VAT in the current situation is, it isn't going to happen, which I think is a good thing.

Yeah, I doubt it would happen. I would not be opposed to it happening if they got rid of income taxes though, but that won't happen either.
 

ElFenix

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I am all for a VAT as long as it is implemented by a 28th Amendment that states that the 16th Amendment is repealed and that no VAT shall be enacted until the 28th Amendment is ratified by the states. Further the 28th Amendment should state that "Congress shall have NO power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived".

the 16th amendment is unnecessary anyway. the income tax doesn't rely on it.


Sorry, not looking thru 9 pages - was this suggested as a solution?

http://www.apttax.com/

holy lurker batman!
 
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Herr Kutz

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/ap_on_bi_ge/us_obama_tax_5

Obama suggests value-added tax may be an option


President Barack Obama suggested Wednesday that a new value-added tax on Americans is still on the table, seeming to show more openness to the idea than his aides have expressed in recent days.

Volcker has said taxes might have to be raised to slow the deficit's growth. He said a value-added tax "was not as toxic an idea" as it had been in the past.

Many European countries impose a VAT, which taxes the value that is added at each stage of production of certain commodities. It could apply, for instance, to raw products delivered to a mill, the mill's production work and so on up the line to the retailer.

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It's been working for Europe so it will work here.

Everyone pays through the supply chain to the end of the line.

Best of all it pisses Republicans and the rich off royaly so it's a double blessing from the Messiah :thumbsup:

Make it so


Are you an idiot? VAT hurts poor people the most since these taxes just add up on good and services bought by everyone, including the poor. If anything, Republicans will love this since Obama promised not to raise taxes on the middle class and enacting this tax will do the very opposite.

The only people who will be happy about this tax are the staunch anti-capitalists since people will no longer be able to afford the goods and services that increase their standard of living and happiness.
 

dmcowen674

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Are you an idiot? VAT hurts poor people the most since these taxes just add up on good and services bought by everyone, including the poor. If anything, Republicans will love this since Obama promised not to raise taxes on the middle class and enacting this tax will do the very opposite.

The only people who will be happy about this tax are the staunch anti-capitalists since people will no longer be able to afford the goods and services that increase their standard of living and happiness.

The more people hurt the better, same as higher the gasoline the better.

That is how you start revolutions and backlash against those Corporations and Politicians preying on the lower classes.
 

woolfe9999

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I agree that this isn't supporting a VAT tax, however Obama was not neutral when campaigning about increased taxes. Since he had a pretty good idea what the agenda during his Presidency would be (it's not like the party agenda was hidden from him) he either was a compete idiot with finances or lying.

That being the case, I don't believe or disbelieve what Obama says, because he's proved a capable politician, and I use that in the most disparaging way possible.

He'll say what is required. I'll pay more attention to what happens than what is said.

Actually, Obama was extremely specific during the campaign about his stance on taxes. Overly specific IMO. He said he would let the Bush tax cut lapse on people making $250,000 a year or more, and that he would cut taxes for everyone making less than $200,000 a year.

The trouble with his stance is that while it made for good campaign politics, it boxed him into a corner with respect to how to pay for any spending he wanted to initiate, and how to reduce the deficit. Basically, he set himself up in a lose-lose situation for the next election cycle. If he opts to include tax increases in a deficit reduction plan, other than what he proposed in the campaign, he's broken his campaign promise. If he does no deficit reduction at all, or minimal deficit reduction at best, he's going to be held responsible for the deficit in 2012.

You can call him a capable politician, but I'd rather say he put everything in to delivering whatever rhetoric he needed to get elected in 2008, without serious consideration to what would happen in the next cycle.

And more to the point - if he really intends to keep these promises, then we're basically f**ked, because the fact is we must reduce the deficit, and although we must cut spending, it is painfully obvious we must also raise taxes.

- wolf
 

EagleKeeper

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The more people hurt the better, same as higher the gasoline the better.

That is how you start revolutions and backlash against those Corporations and Politicians preying on the lower classes.

In this case, the people are going to go after the Politicians that authorized the tax. The Coprorations are only responsible in passing it on.

You do not yell at the clerk when your bill gets rung up with the state sales tax.

You stew on why the tax is there and/or so high.

Example
Now instead of a 7&#37; sales tax going to the State; you will now see at 20% tax also listed.

So your $100 item is now costing you $127. $7 to the state and $20 to the Feds.

Given that the Dems are sitting in the catbird seat for now - you would like to toss them out and let your hated Republicans back in.
 

Chaotic42

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Get rid of current sales taxes, property taxes, and maybe income taxes and I'm completely down. Even if it means paying more, I don't like the idea of property tax.
 

Exterous

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Get rid of current sales taxes, property taxes, and maybe income taxes and I'm completely down. Even if it means paying more, I don't like the idea of property tax.

Good luck getting all the States to part with Sales Tax.
 

nick1985

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The more people hurt the better, same as higher the gasoline the better.

That is how you start revolutions and backlash against those Corporations and Politicians preying on the lower classes.

Would you support the VAT if it meant that a Republican would win the 2012 election?
 

dmcowen674

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Quote:
Originally Posted by dmcowen674
The more people hurt the better, same as higher the gasoline the better.

That is how you start revolutions and backlash against those Corporations and Politicians preying on the lower classes.



In this case, the people are going to go after the Politicians that authorized the tax. The Coprorations are only responsible in passing it on.

You do not yell at the clerk when your bill gets rung up with the state sales tax.

You stew on why the tax is there and/or so high.

Example
Now instead of a 7% sales tax going to the State; you will now see at 20% tax also listed.

So your $100 item is now costing you $127. $7 to the state and $20 to the Feds.

Given that the Dems are sitting in the catbird seat for now - you would like to toss them out and let your hated Republicans back in.

Enough people realize now that the Corporations own the Government especially after the USSC decision.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Enough people realize now that the Corporations own the Government especially after the USSC decision.

The corporations own the politicians, who are the ones responsible for passing laws, etc. The politicians are the ones to blame should this come about, NOT corporations. I think even my three year-old niece understands that, but evidently you don't.
 
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