Obama: Surge Succeeded Beyond ?Wildest Dreams?

[magomago]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: OrByte
We should have never went into Iraq to begin with.

Thanks for stating the obvious... i guess...

Please let us know when you return to 2008.

We'll throw a party, or something... :roll:

I think it is healthy to remember that this entire thing was a huge mistake from the get go. Anyways, let us hope that an Obama Presidency would follow through with the words of the Obama Candidacy (out in 16 months)

 

[QED]

I hope John McCain finds a way to use Obama's own words against him in the debates.

Obama fought against the surge at every turn along the way. Now Obama says the surge worked in a way nobody could've anticipated.

Well, maybe nobody but John McCain.


"Obama was against the surge, before he was for it."

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: OrByte
We should have never went into Iraq to begin with.

Thanks for stating the obvious... i guess...

Please let us know when you return to 2008.

We'll throw a party, or something... :roll:

Hey don't get upset that those that were opposed from the war from the start were right all along. And it is IMPORTANT to remember that because of the warhawks that want to see military action against IRAN.

GHWB was right since the early 90s. The neocons didn't pay attention. Ron Paul was right before the run up to the war, he was marginalized. Obama was right...the list goes on.

I just don't understand how 5 years of bad war planning and execution can somehow be swept under the rug because Patreaus swooped in and saved the day with the 'surge'

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: QED
I hope John McCain finds a way to use Obama's own words against him in the debates.

Obama fought against the surge at every turn along the way. Now Obama says the surge worked in a way nobody could've anticipated.

Well, maybe nobody but John McCain.


"Obama was against the surge, before he was for it."

O'reilly came at Obama with a similar line. It was a very interesting exchange.

I think there is a link around here somewhere..

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: QED
I hope John McCain finds a way to use Obama's own words against him in the debates.

Obama fought against the surge at every turn along the way. Now Obama says the surge worked in a way nobody could've anticipated.

Well, maybe nobody but John McCain.


"Obama was against the surge, before he was for it."

Rich. Those in glass houses, you know? Don't make me get out the quotes from mccain about how easy iraq would be and no house to house fighting, etc.

 

[mshan]

Sounds like he is just pre-emptively blunting a political line of attack for McCain during the upcoming debates.

From what I've read, focus groups are finding that the economy trumps Iraq, which absolutely trumps wedge issues during this election cycle.

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: QED
I hope John McCain finds a way to use Obama's own words against him in the debates.

Obama fought against the surge at every turn along the way. Now Obama says the surge worked in a way nobody could've anticipated.

Well, maybe nobody but John McCain.


"Obama was against the surge, before he was for it."

O'reilly came at Obama with a similar line. It was a very interesting exchange.

I think there is a link around here somewhere..

In all fairness, Obama could easily defuse it with a reply along the lines of:

"You're right-- I was against it bere I was for it. And that demonstrates that I,
as President, will not be afraid to reassess my strategies as new information
comes in. Americans simply cannot afford another President who cannot admit
he was wrong and change accordingly".

 

[Pens1566]

The goal of the surge was to give the Iraqi's time and space to make some headway towards political goals, which they haven't. Violence has been reduced, but nothing productive has come of it. So I don't really consider it a success.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Which is why he's been calling for a quick, responsible pull out.

The GOP line about Iraq:

We're failing, we can't leave now.

We're succeeding, we can't leave now.

hahahaaha...you know as well as I do that that is not the reason he started calling for a quick pull out. He's been hammering for that for over a year now. Are you telling me he's known the surge was successful beyond his wildest dreams for over a year?

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: QED
I hope John McCain finds a way to use Obama's own words against him in the debates.

Obama fought against the surge at every turn along the way. Now Obama says the surge worked in a way nobody could've anticipated.

Well, maybe nobody but John McCain.


"Obama was against the surge, before he was for it."

O'reilly came at Obama with a similar line. It was a very interesting exchange.

I think there is a link around here somewhere..

In all fairness, Obama could easily defuse it with a reply along the lines of:

"You're right-- I was against it bere I was for it. And that demonstrates that I,
as President, will not be afraid to reassess my strategies as new information
comes in. Americans simply cannot afford another President who cannot admit
he was wrong and change accordingly".

He did admit he was against the Surge. Now he acknowledges the Surge sucess. I too would give him props if he said something along the lines as you mention, but I don't think he did.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Video of Thrusday segment

 

[Lemon law]

Before the surge, Iraq was a hotbed of ethnic cleansing, now Iraq is ethnically more segregated, the various Iraqi insurgencies are now focused on other things, but in the end analysis, the various Iraqi insurgencies are better armed and organized than ever.

Politically, Iraq is no closer to any stability, and any one of a large number of events could push it into full blown civil war. The only metric that has changed is the people on all sides killed butcher bill, the dollar cost of maintaining the Iraqi occupation is as high as ever.

In terms of long term thinking, we cannot even count Iraq as a country with its less than a century traditions, but in terms of the entire region, the Arab's have a 500 plus year of dealing with Western occupiers, and because they have never had the military hegemony, they are quite used to using slow steady pressure over times scales of even centuries to accomplish their ends. Its their history.

 

[NeoV]

who gives a rats ass if the surge worked? Does that take away from the fact that nearly every single thing from the point our troops entered Baghdad until the surge had pretty much been a complete and utter failure?

I would love to see McCain and Palin rest on the 'surge' in talking about the Iraq war - Obama was against the war from the start - one of the few people who voted against it from the get go - no flip flopping, no 'Bush mislead me", nothing - a no vote from the start of this fiasco FAR outshines "well McCain was for the surge".

 

[ElFenix]

so it wasn't the democrats taking congress in 2006?

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: QED
I hope John McCain finds a way to use Obama's own words against him in the debates.

Obama fought against the surge at every turn along the way. Now Obama says the surge worked in a way nobody could've anticipated.

Well, maybe nobody but John McCain.


"Obama was against the surge, before he was for it."

O'reilly came at Obama with a similar line. It was a very interesting exchange.

I think there is a link around here somewhere..

In all fairness, Obama could easily defuse it with a reply along the lines of:

"You're right-- I was against it bere I was for it. And that demonstrates that I,
as President, will not be afraid to reassess my strategies as new information
comes in. Americans simply cannot afford another President who cannot admit
he was wrong and change accordingly".

That is basically how I see it. No matter who becomes president, whether it be this year or 20 years from now, they will all make mistakes during their presidency. Not all of them have the mind and the balls to right what was wrong and come out in public about it though. I am convinced that Obama has that within him and that counts for a lot in my book.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Which is why he's been calling for a quick, responsible pull out.

The GOP line about Iraq:

We're failing, we can't leave now.

We're succeeding, we can't leave now.

as opposed to the democratic line...

we're failing, we have to leave now.
we're succeeding, we have to leave now.

At least the "no experience" Obama called it first

Jan 2008
McCain - we will be there for 100 years. Obama is wrong about Iraq and clueless on foreign policy
Obama - we need to set a timetable of 1 1/2 years to get out...


June 2008
McCain - we will be there until 2013. Obama is wrong about Iraq and clueless on foreign policy
Obama - we need to set a timetable of 1 1/2 years to get out...


July 2008
McCain - we need to get out based on conditions on the ground. Obama is wrong about Iraq and clueless on foreign policy
Obama - we need to set a timetable of 1 1/2 years to get out...

Now -

Obama - we need to set a timetable of 1 1/2 years to get out...
Iraqi govt. - you need to set a timetable of 1 1/2 years to get out...
George Bush - we need to set a timetable of 1 1/2 years to get out...
McCain - finall admits we need to get out... But Obama is wrong about Iraq and clueless on foreign policy

Oh yeah... Isnt "no experience" Obama the guy that said we should not go in???? Oh ya, good thing he can call on that lack of experience to guide him.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Which is why he's been calling for a quick, responsible pull out.

The GOP line about Iraq:

We're failing, we can't leave now.

We're succeeding, we can't leave now.

as opposed to the democratic line...

we're failing, we have to leave now.
we're succeeding, we have to leave now.

At least the "no experience" Obama called it first

Jan 2008
McCain - we will be there for 100 years. Obama is wrong about Iraq and clueless on foreign policy
Obama - we need to set a timetable of 1 1/2 years to get out...


June 2008
McCain - we will be there until 2013. Obama is wrong about Iraq and clueless on foreign policy
Obama - we need to set a timetable of 1 1/2 years to get out...


July 2008
McCain - we need to get out based on conditions on the ground. Obama is wrong about Iraq and clueless on foreign policy
Obama - we need to set a timetable of 1 1/2 years to get out...

Now -

Obama - we need to set a timetable of 1 1/2 years to get out...
Iraqi govt. - you need to set a timetable of 1 1/2 years to get out...
George Bush - we need to set a timetable of 1 1/2 years to get out...
McCain - finall admits we need to get out... But Obama is wrong about Iraq and clueless on foreign policy

Oh yeah... Isnt "no experience" Obama the guy that said we should not go in???? Oh ya, good thing he can call on that lack of experience to guide him.

So full of spin and lies, you would do well studying under JP.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: retrospooty
...

So full of spin and lies, you would do well studying under JP.

So full of denial, you could understudy PJ

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