Obama takes the misses out for dinner. In NYC!!!! At the taxpayer expense

[Napalm]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Hey... if Obama wants to fly to Chicago or Hawaii for a few weeks vacation I am all for it.

But flying to NYC and back in the same night!!! Are you kidding me!!!!

as opposed to GWB taking 500 vacation days during his 8 years in office? that amouns to TWELVE WEEKS a year... who gets 3 months vacation?

Originally posted by: Phokus
I wonder if PJ was ever this mad when Bush took the most number of vacations ever by a president (rhetorical, you don't have to answer this PJ).

if you actually read PJ's post... I don't think he's complaining about Obama taking a vacation, he's complaining about dropping so much money on a single night (as opposed to taking the jaunt to broadway when he's in NYC anyways or taking an extended vacation)

I'd imagine Obama and Bush both have extensive, full-time secret service operations covering their houses, so going home isn't really going to entail the same expenses as a getaway to NYC in terms of security expenses. (and AFAIK, when Bush was in Crawford, his white house team was out there with him... I'm not a fan of the guy, but the president taking a "vacation" away from the office isn't the same as you or me taking a vacation. they don't really get to go off the clock)

What's wrong with you, man? Is your argument seriously that it is OK by you to fly from DC to Crawford TX once every 5 weeks for 8 yrs to go to your ranch, but its not OK to fly from DC to NY to take your wife on a date 5 months into your job as President.

Is this all you Repubs have got?? Its gonna be a long, hard 8yrs. And if I were a betting man, I'd bet it will be alot longer than that for you and the Party of old, white Christian Fundamentalists... Time has passed you by - so do us a favor and STFU already.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Desturel

Originally posted by: tk149
So the president's only security is the Secret Service, all of whom are on salary? No local cops (extra shifts)? No time spent by hourly employees at all? No time spent planning local traffic routes? No diversion of traffic away from the Presidential Motorcade? No background checks on the restaurant waiters or theater ushers? You're saying that security costs are equal regardless of whether the President is in the White House on tooling around NYC. Are you sure?

Time spent planning a traffic route, diverting traffic, redirecting trains, setting up local security details, etc are all more expensive when traveling by rail or car than they are when traveling by private jet. The costs at the destination are equal no matter what method used to get to the end location.

So is what you are saying is traveling by jet is the cheapest and quickest way for the president to get from one place to another?

The subway is the fastest way to get around the city. Mayor Mike said so. Its good enough for NYC residents. Its good enough for our billionare mayor. Why isn't it good enough for President?

 

[XZeroII]

Is it just me, or are all the democrats REALLY filled with hate and anger? They are also still obsessed with Bush. PJ made a valid point that should be rationally debated. Instead there were numerous personal attacks against him and tons of strawmen.

Worst of all, democrats seem proud of how they act on this board. It's very sad.


Please, attack me as well. Turn this post into a rant about Bush. After all, I oppose wreckless spending. I should be mocked.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
PJ made a valid point that should be rationally debated.

Well, that was your first mistake. Let's see how you do from here...

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: XZeroII
PJ made a valid point that should be rationally debated.

Well, that was your first mistake. Let's see how you do from here...

Exactly. I bet I will be mocked and ridiculed because I oppose wasteful and wreckless spending. Just watch. I can't wait for the first left-winger to start spewing their hatred all over the place.

Eyes-closed.

 

[Rangoric]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Desturel

Originally posted by: tk149
So the president's only security is the Secret Service, all of whom are on salary? No local cops (extra shifts)? No time spent by hourly employees at all? No time spent planning local traffic routes? No diversion of traffic away from the Presidential Motorcade? No background checks on the restaurant waiters or theater ushers? You're saying that security costs are equal regardless of whether the President is in the White House on tooling around NYC. Are you sure?

Time spent planning a traffic route, diverting traffic, redirecting trains, setting up local security details, etc are all more expensive when traveling by rail or car than they are when traveling by private jet. The costs at the destination are equal no matter what method used to get to the end location.

So is what you are saying is traveling by jet is the cheapest and quickest way for the president to get from one place to another?

The subway is the fastest way to get around the city. Mayor Mike said so. Its good enough for NYC residents. Its good enough for our billionare mayor. Why isn't it good enough for President?

Huh what?

I can take a Subway from DC to NYC?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Is it just me, or are all the democrats REALLY filled with hate and anger? They are also still obsessed with Bush. PJ made a valid point that should be rationally debated. Instead there were numerous personal attacks against him and tons of strawmen.

Worst of all, democrats seem proud of how they act on this board. It's very sad.


Please, attack me as well. Turn this post into a rant about Bush. After all, I oppose wreckless spending. I should be mocked.

You should be mocked because your ability to reason outside of the bounds of political ideology is totally absent. You should be mocked because you don't see the irony in accusing Democrats of being "filled with hate and anger" in a thread dedicated to making up a reason to get mad about President Obama. You should be mocked because you made a troll post in a troll thread and instead of rationally judging the arguments being made, sided with the one which was most politically convenient.

Many people have pointed out why this is a dumb thing to get angry about, why ProfJohn is a hypocrit for complaining about it, why this is the very definition of faux outrage...but nobody is listening. I don't have a problem with you all because we disagree politically, I have a problem because you're either incredibly stupid or so blinded by politics that you ACT like you're incredibly stupid.

But just in case you're not sure, find me a thread like this about Bush's 11 million trips to his ranch to clear brush, all at tremendous taxpayer expense. Can you find me a single Democrat on this board who complained about THAT?

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Rangoric

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Desturel

Originally posted by: tk149
So the president's only security is the Secret Service, all of whom are on salary? No local cops (extra shifts)? No time spent by hourly employees at all? No time spent planning local traffic routes? No diversion of traffic away from the Presidential Motorcade? No background checks on the restaurant waiters or theater ushers? You're saying that security costs are equal regardless of whether the President is in the White House on tooling around NYC. Are you sure?

Time spent planning a traffic route, diverting traffic, redirecting trains, setting up local security details, etc are all more expensive when traveling by rail or car than they are when traveling by private jet. The costs at the destination are equal no matter what method used to get to the end location.

So is what you are saying is traveling by jet is the cheapest and quickest way for the president to get from one place to another?

The subway is the fastest way to get around the city. Mayor Mike said so. Its good enough for NYC residents. Its good enough for our billionare mayor. Why isn't it good enough for President?

Huh what?

I can take a Subway from DC to NYC?

"Time spent planning a traffic route, diverting traffic, redirecting trains, setting up local security details"

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: XZeroII
PJ made a valid point that should be rationally debated.

Well, that was your first mistake. Let's see how you do from here...

Exactly. I bet I will be mocked and ridiculed because I oppose wasteful and wreckless spending. Just watch. I can't wait for the first left-winger to start spewing their hatred all over the place.

Eyes-closed.

Yes, I'm very sure THAT is why people will be mocking you...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Rangoric

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Desturel

Originally posted by: tk149
So the president's only security is the Secret Service, all of whom are on salary? No local cops (extra shifts)? No time spent by hourly employees at all? No time spent planning local traffic routes? No diversion of traffic away from the Presidential Motorcade? No background checks on the restaurant waiters or theater ushers? You're saying that security costs are equal regardless of whether the President is in the White House on tooling around NYC. Are you sure?

Time spent planning a traffic route, diverting traffic, redirecting trains, setting up local security details, etc are all more expensive when traveling by rail or car than they are when traveling by private jet. The costs at the destination are equal no matter what method used to get to the end location.

So is what you are saying is traveling by jet is the cheapest and quickest way for the president to get from one place to another?

The subway is the fastest way to get around the city. Mayor Mike said so. Its good enough for NYC residents. Its good enough for our billionare mayor. Why isn't it good enough for President?

Huh what?

I can take a Subway from DC to NYC?

"Time spent planning a traffic route, diverting traffic, redirecting trains, setting up local security details"

So the President should travel on the really crowded subway? Or, alternatively, the President should shut down the subway to regular travelers and use it for himself?

Is this a real suggestion? If you're trolling, you're doing a pretty good job...but I think we both know that you're not.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Rangoric

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Desturel

Originally posted by: tk149
So the president's only security is the Secret Service, all of whom are on salary? No local cops (extra shifts)? No time spent by hourly employees at all? No time spent planning local traffic routes? No diversion of traffic away from the Presidential Motorcade? No background checks on the restaurant waiters or theater ushers? You're saying that security costs are equal regardless of whether the President is in the White House on tooling around NYC. Are you sure?

Time spent planning a traffic route, diverting traffic, redirecting trains, setting up local security details, etc are all more expensive when traveling by rail or car than they are when traveling by private jet. The costs at the destination are equal no matter what method used to get to the end location.

So is what you are saying is traveling by jet is the cheapest and quickest way for the president to get from one place to another?

The subway is the fastest way to get around the city. Mayor Mike said so. Its good enough for NYC residents. Its good enough for our billionare mayor. Why isn't it good enough for President?

Huh what?

I can take a Subway from DC to NYC?

"Time spent planning a traffic route, diverting traffic, redirecting trains, setting up local security details"

So the President should travel on the really crowded subway? Or, alternatively, the President should shut down the subway to regular travelers and use it for himself?

Is this a real suggestion? If you're trolling, you're doing a pretty good job...but I think we both know that you're not.

Micheal Bloomberg, worth 15+ Billion, takes the subway every day. Compared to Obama, his net worth is gigangeous. If its safe for this man to ride the train, its safe for anybody.

My main point is that if Obama wanted to spend a night with his wife, he should have waited until there was an important meeting or political event that required him to be there. Instead, he commandeered a few private jets and wasted taxpayer money so he could spend one measly evening with his wife. For something this small, he should have either paid for the jet himself, or taken the train/subway rather than waste taxpayer money.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Micheal Bloomberg, worth 15+ Billion, takes the subway every day. Compared to Obama, his net worth is gigangeous. If its safe for this man to ride the train, its safe for anybody.

My main point is that if Obama wanted to spend a night with his wife, he should have waited until there was an important meeting or political event that required him to be there. Instead, he commandeered a few private jets and wasted taxpayer money so he could spend one measly evening with his wife. For something this small, he should have either paid for the jet himself, or taken the train/subway rather than waste taxpayer money.

LOL

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Is it just me, or are all the democrats REALLY filled with hate and anger? They are also still obsessed with Bush. PJ made a valid point that should be rationally debated. Instead there were numerous personal attacks against him and tons of strawmen.

Worst of all, democrats seem proud of how they act on this board. It's very sad.


Please, attack me as well. Turn this post into a rant about Bush. After all, I oppose wreckless spending. I should be mocked.

You should be mocked because your ability to reason outside of the bounds of political ideology is totally absent. You should be mocked because you don't see the irony in accusing Democrats of being "filled with hate and anger" in a thread dedicated to making up a reason to get mad about President Obama. You should be mocked because you made a troll post in a troll thread and instead of rationally judging the arguments being made, sided with the one which was most politically convenient.

Many people have pointed out why this is a dumb thing to get angry about, why ProfJohn is a hypocrit for complaining about it, why this is the very definition of faux outrage...but nobody is listening. I don't have a problem with you all because we disagree politically, I have a problem because you're either incredibly stupid or so blinded by politics that you ACT like you're incredibly stupid.

But just in case you're not sure, find me a thread like this about Bush's 11 million trips to his ranch to clear brush, all at tremendous taxpayer expense. Can you find me a single Democrat on this board who complained about THAT?

I was going to respond to your points, however I'm not sure if you're serious or not. You realize that I was being sarcastic in my last paragraph, right?

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Is it just me, or are all the democrats REALLY filled with hate and anger? They are also still obsessed with Bush. PJ made a valid point that should be rationally debated. Instead there were numerous personal attacks against him and tons of strawmen.

Worst of all, democrats seem proud of how they act on this board. It's very sad.


Please, attack me as well. Turn this post into a rant about Bush. After all, I oppose wreckless spending. I should be mocked.

You should be mocked because your ability to reason outside of the bounds of political ideology is totally absent. You should be mocked because you don't see the irony in accusing Democrats of being "filled with hate and anger" in a thread dedicated to making up a reason to get mad about President Obama. You should be mocked because you made a troll post in a troll thread and instead of rationally judging the arguments being made, sided with the one which was most politically convenient.

Many people have pointed out why this is a dumb thing to get angry about, why ProfJohn is a hypocrit for complaining about it, why this is the very definition of faux outrage...but nobody is listening. I don't have a problem with you all because we disagree politically, I have a problem because you're either incredibly stupid or so blinded by politics that you ACT like you're incredibly stupid.

But just in case you're not sure, find me a thread like this about Bush's 11 million trips to his ranch to clear brush, all at tremendous taxpayer expense. Can you find me a single Democrat on this board who complained about THAT?

One addition, could you please explain to me which side I took? I bolded the relevant line that I am referring to.

 

[Cuda1447]

I don't understand how the OP figured it would cost $250k to put on this trip? Where did this # come from?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
One addition, could you please explain to me which side I took? I bolded the relevant line that I am referring to.

Explain why you think PJ made a valid point.

 

[blahblah99]

Come back with a total figure after Obama leaves the white house. Until then sit down.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I don't understand how the OP figured it would cost $250k to put on this trip? Where did this # come from?

Straight out of his ass, as is par for the course.

 

[senseamp]

How about we lock him up in the White House, I mean that way we'll save so much money on Security. You right wingers never seize to entertain.

 

[sapiens74]

he deserves a date with his wife, ill pay for it


along with the rest of you


hope he didn't tip over 20 percent though, that would be absurd

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Rangoric

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Desturel

Originally posted by: tk149
So the president's only security is the Secret Service, all of whom are on salary? No local cops (extra shifts)? No time spent by hourly employees at all? No time spent planning local traffic routes? No diversion of traffic away from the Presidential Motorcade? No background checks on the restaurant waiters or theater ushers? You're saying that security costs are equal regardless of whether the President is in the White House on tooling around NYC. Are you sure?

Time spent planning a traffic route, diverting traffic, redirecting trains, setting up local security details, etc are all more expensive when traveling by rail or car than they are when traveling by private jet. The costs at the destination are equal no matter what method used to get to the end location.

So is what you are saying is traveling by jet is the cheapest and quickest way for the president to get from one place to another?

The subway is the fastest way to get around the city. Mayor Mike said so. Its good enough for NYC residents. Its good enough for our billionare mayor. Why isn't it good enough for President?

Huh what?

I can take a Subway from DC to NYC?

you can take Amtrak from subway to subway.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: sapiens74
he deserves a date with his wife, ill pay for it


along with the rest of you


hope he didn't tip over 20 percent though, that would be absurd

He paid for his own 70 dollar dinner. We paid for the half-million dollar plane ride.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I don't understand how the OP figured it would cost $250k to put on this trip? Where did this # come from?

The AF 1 picture flight cost around $247,000 from what I read.

The $250,000 figure came from some place online. Can't remember since I read so many different sites.

That figure may actually be high since Obama took the smaller jet, but for some reason the White House refused to release the actual cost of this trip.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Micheal Bloomberg, worth 15+ Billion, takes the subway every day. Compared to Obama, his net worth is gigangeous. If its safe for this man to ride the train, its safe for anybody.

My main point is that if Obama wanted to spend a night with his wife, he should have waited until there was an important meeting or political event that required him to be there. Instead, he commandeered a few private jets and wasted taxpayer money so he could spend one measly evening with his wife. For something this small, he should have either paid for the jet himself, or taken the train/subway rather than waste taxpayer money.

Are you serious? Are you comparing Michael Bloomberg to the President of the United States? Do you not understand the difference between their two positions?

 

[ProfJohn]

This thread is filled with so much crap it's pathetic.

I have no problem with the President taking 'vacations' of course there is no such thing as a day off for the President.
And if Obama took Ms O to NYC for the whole weekend it would bother me either.

What bothers me is the amount of tax payer money spent so he can have dinner and watch one show.
This whole trip probably lasted a bit over 8 hours which means us tax payers spent perhaps $20,000 an HOUR so Obama could make his wife happy.

BTW it seems that the European press is all over Obama for this wasteful spending.