Obama, the Wall-Street sellout

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ProfJohn

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This author YOU QUOTE says it's "right" that this is "not even an allegation of plagiarism" and that Taibbi INCLUDED the attributions that were removed by an editor.
That is what the editors claims...
And no mater what the editor says it doesn't forgive Taibbi for writing the piece as if he has been to Stillwater and seen it with his own eyes.

Taibbi actually thinks that Bush stole Ohio in 2004. Bush won the state by 100,000 votes or 2%.

Taibbi is a joke and if you believe anything he writes you are a fool.
 

Craig234

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Good thing for you that the rules of the forum don't get applied too well here in P&N. If the best you can do is just attempt to insult me, well... Meh, I don't really expect anything more from you, quite frankly. I don't know how you can live day in and day out fuming and spewing hate and and anger constantly, but whatever.

My comments were exactly correct. Funny, you can't say a word otherwise.

But debating idiocy is pretty pointless, and your response shows it's what to expect.
 

SparkyJJO

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My comments were exactly correct. Funny, you can't say a word otherwise.

But debating idiocy is pretty pointless, and your response shows it's what to expect.

Or maybe I don't feel like arguing with someone who can't follow a logical argument to begin with because the best you can do is resort to personal attacks. It's the same thing every time, you just stick your fingers in your ears and scream at others how stupid they are.

Pot, meet kettle.
 

Craig234

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That is what the editors claims...
And no mater what the editor says it doesn't forgive Taibbi for writing the piece as if he has been to Stillwater and seen it with his own eyes.

Taibbi actually thinks that Bush stole Ohio in 2004. Bush won the state by 100,000 votes or 2%.

Taibbi is a joke and if you believe anything he writes you are a fool.

For the 100th time in a row you are completely proven wrong, you ignore most of the corrections and post a disingenuous dodge. It gets old. It's not honest.

Taibbi is one of our most useful writers, and you risk having your name-calling against him turned around on you. Let's start with a link for your 2004 allegation.

You don't know by now to include a link? But don't bother, waste of time with you.
 

ProfJohn

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For the 100th time in a row you are completely proven wrong, you ignore most of the corrections and post a disingenuous dodge. It gets old. It's not honest.

Taibbi is one of our most useful writers, and you risk having your name-calling against him turned around on you. Let's start with a link for your 2004 allegation.

You don't know by now to include a link? But don't bother, waste of time with you.
Useful for what? Coming up with insults?
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michele-bachmanns-holy-war-20110622
for Michele Bachmann is almost certainly the funniest thing that has ever happened to American presidential politics.
Bachmann is a religious zealot whose brain is a raging electrical storm of divine visions and paranoid delusions.
She's trying to look like June Cleaver, but she actually looks like the T2 skeleton posing for a passport photo.
And Bachmann is exactly the right kind of completely batshit crazy.
in which case this hard-charging challenger for the GOP nomination is a rare breed of political psychopath,
And that is all in the first 6 paragraphs of his Bachmann story.

And there is a huge admission in the story that spells out exactly Taibbi's real intent.
He writes about her going to law school at what would eventually become Regent law school and uses its being "136th-ranked law school in the country" to insult Bachmann, but he leaves out the part about her getting a masters in law at William & Mary which happens to be the oldest law school in the country and who where Sandra Day O'Connor serves as chancellor.

BTW W&M ranks 27th in the nation among law schools.
And it is the school that Presidents Thomas Jefferson, James Monroe, John Tyler and Supreme court justice John Marshall attended.
Of course you wouldn't know any of that if you read the Taibbi piece, but you'd know all about Regent law school's history...
 
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werepossum

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Useful for what? Coming up with insults?
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michele-bachmanns-holy-war-20110622





And that is all in the first 6 paragraphs of his Bachmann story.

And there is a huge admission in the story that spells out exactly Taibbi's real intent.
He writes about her going to law school at what would eventually become Regent law school and uses its being "136th-ranked law school in the country" to insult Bachmann, but he leaves out the part about her getting a masters in law at William & Mary which happens to be the oldest law school in the country and who where Sandra Day O'Connor serves as chancellor.

BTW W&M ranks 27th in the nation among law schools.
And it is the school that Presidents Thomas Jefferson, James Monroe, John Tyler and Supreme court justice John Marshall attended.
Of course you wouldn't know any of that if you read the Taibbi piece, but you'd know all about Regent law school's history...
Taibbi is nothing more than red meat for the crowd that thinks actual red meat is murder.
 

Fern

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No, you need to back of the abuse of the word "lying". It's wrong, offensive and is your own lying.

I saw an article that made the claim. I might be correct and I might be incorrect.

As far as correcting an error, I appreciate that. False attacks of a lie make you a scumbag.

I can't quickly find confirmation quickly looking, but here's one link saying this loophole was passed in 2001:

http://econproph.com/2011/04/16/taxes-and-unshared-sacrifice/

I see where you got your info. But I believe it to be bad info. (How surprising, a non-tax professional not knowing what he's talking about when discussing complicated tax issues.).

I believe you understand that I am STRONGLY opposed to the carried interest provision. I've been researching it every now-and-then for a while.

I've tracked it back to court cases that go as far back as 1993. And again, I am unable to find to anything in tax law that specificially allows this. Instead it looks to be clever tax lawyers who combined tax law from different sections of the code to arrive at this. They got it through the courts and the IRS has acquiesed.

This can be easily verified by looking at the various 'fixes' Congress has attempted. Rangel's would the easiest to find since his was the most recent attempt to fix this. If you look at his bill it does not overturn or strike some provision allowing the CPI, instead it seeks to carve-out of the regular rules an exception for CPI for hedge funds etc. and treat them differently (i.e., earned/ordinary income). If there was some provision inserted into law allowing CPI the obvious fix is to just repeal it. But since there isn't, they can't. You can see the same thing with other attempted 'fixes'.

I.e., the treatment of CPI is an unintended consequence of (old, not new) tax law; it is a loophole they haven't managed to close.

Fern
 
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Craig234

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I see where you got your info. But I believe it to be bad info. (How surprising, a non-tax professional not knowing what he's talking about when discussing complicated tax issues.).

I believe you understand that I am STRONGLY opposed to the carried interest provision. I've been researching it every now-and-then for a while.

I've tracked it back to court cases that go as far back as 1993. And again, I am unable to find to anything in tax law that specificially allows this. Instead it looks to be clever tax lawyers who combined tax law from different sections of the code to arrive at this. They got it through the courts and the IRS has acquiesed.

This can be easily verified by looking at the various 'fixes' Congress has attempted. Rangel's would the easiest to find since his was the most recent attempt to fix this. If you look at his bill it does not overturn or strike some provision allowing the CPI, instead it seeks to carve-out of the regular rules an exception for CPI for hedge funds etc. and treat them differently (i.e., earned/ordinary income). If there was some provision inserted into law allowing CPI the obvious fix is to just repeal it. But since there isn't, they can't. You can see the same thing with other attempted 'fixes'.

I.e., the treatment of CPI is an unintended consequence of (old, not new) tax law; it is a loophole they haven't managed to close.

Fern

You have a problem admitting your mistakes.

You make a false accusation of a 'lie'; it's pointed out to you; and you do not say a word about being wrong, much less apologize.

That's not about the issue of the policy, but your offensive, false attack.

Yes, we agree on being opposed to the policy, and Wall-Street corrupted members of Congress of both parties have protected it. Not the issue, while your attack is.
 

Fern

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You have a problem admitting your mistakes.

You make a false accusation of a 'lie'; it's pointed out to you; and you do not say a word about being wrong, much less apologize.

That's not about the issue of the policy, but your offensive, false attack.
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Your data is wrong. It's your fault for not confirming it. Nor does your article actually say that the carried interest provision was created in 2001. It says it "redefined things", whatever that means.

And you threw it in for your own political hack purposes.

Fern
 
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Craig234

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Your data is wrong. It's your fault for not confirming it. Nor does your article actually say that the carried interest provision was created in 2001. It says it "redefined things", whatever that means.

And you threw it in for your own political hack purposes.

Fern

You are a person who lies with insults, and has no responsibility for your errors.

You also have reading difficulties. I clearly said the link I provided was not the one on which my original comments were based, but you comments claiming it is.

I've little patience for scumbags, which is what your behavior makes you. It's quite close to the line for a virtual ignore - I told you, make another false attack of a lie - but for now, it'll just affect the likelihood and tone of how I respond to you, given your bad behavior.

Your last line is yet another lie by you.
 

HendrixFan

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werepossum

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You are a person who lies with insults, and has no responsibility for your errors.

You also have reading difficulties. I clearly said the link I provided was not the one on which my original comments were based, but you comments claiming it is.

I've little patience for scumbags, which is what your behavior makes you. It's quite close to the line for a virtual ignore - I told you, make another false attack of a lie - but for now, it'll just affect the likelihood and tone of how I respond to you, given your bad behavior.

Your last line is yet another lie by you.
Your whole premise
Obama is being called out for 'forgetting' his 2008 campaign pledge to fix the hedge fund loophole (as Keith Olbermann IIRC pointed out last night, having just 25 hedge fund managers pay the same income tax rates as others - as they did before the loophole was given to them as part of the 2001 Bush borrowed tax cuts - it would raise $4 billion per year).
is shown to be a lie and you're demanding an apology?

It must be so weird to have all your suits come with round red rubber noses and big floppy shoes. So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you've suffered severe brain damage. Otherwise I'd have to think your serial lying and tantrums when you don't get your way are merely signs of being a selfish if not actively evil little bitch.
 

alkemyst

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around here there are some thinking they will finally 'get their check' during his re-election campaign.
 
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