Obama to announce changes to NSA surveillance on Jan. 17

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Pulsar

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Nothing changes. Nothing at all. Except now the government will pay companies to retain the data for them, and pay other folks to come sit and do nothing because the FISA court isn't required to even listen to their suggestions.

There is no change, whatsoever.

This amounts to "You've been NAUGHTY NSA!" *wink wink nudge nudge*. It's right up there with his 'announcement' on how he was going to 'fix' the 'gun' issue. How'd that work out?
 

waggy

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err. maybe i don't get it. but it seems like nothing is changing he is just telling us the laws that were already in place.
 

irishScott

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"The bottom line is, we are ending the program as it currently exists," a senior administration official said.

No, you're not.

Still, what we got was a lot better than nothing. I'll take it as a beloved patriot in the administration's armor. Now if we can just get congress to push hard enough...
 

boomerang

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err. maybe i don't get it. but it seems like nothing is changing he is just telling us the laws that were already in place.
Would it help to remember that he's a pathological liar? For all we know, he's intensified the efforts. Those in the media that are not worshiping the ground he walks on are right now tearing his Obamacare signup numbers to shreds. This man will tell you anything to make his life easier. It's a trait learned in childhood that I find really distasteful when carried into adulthood.
 

irishScott

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err. maybe i don't get it. but it seems like nothing is changing he is just telling us the laws that were already in place.

The only meaningful change I can see is empowering the FISA court to approve individual requests, before they could only approve/disapprove types of requests. Assuming FISA is interested in actually doing its job, this could empower them to be less of a rubber stamp court.
 

IronWing

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Any guesses on how much the telcos are going to charge the government for records storage and access? Buck/GB/year? Ten bucks/GB/year? Plus access charges. Looks like a cow.
 

Nintendesert

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Not sure third party means private industry, I hope not as why would putting all the data into the hands of people not required to abide by any of the Constitution be better than just an agency hell bent on pissing on the Constitution?

The BS today about the President not knowing the extent of this is just that, BS. That's the same bullshit that's not flying with Christie. Own up to it you fuck.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Pretty much what was expected which is nothing. Odd that sometime who supposedly has no authority to make changes however vapid did so.
 

Paul98

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Why should we believe anything that is said, or if changes are made that they will have any effect. Had the NSA, Obama, and others in the government had their way we would have never found out about this in the first place.
 

Genx87

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Why should we believe anything that is said, or if changes are made that they will have any effect. Had the NSA, Obama, and others in the government had their way we would have never found out about this in the first place.

No no if Snoden just went through proper channels then we would all know according to the statists. Of course the rest of us know what going through proper channels means. Whistleblower charges, a trumped up trial, and length prison sentence.
 

irishScott

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No no if Snoden just went through proper channels then we would all know according to the statists. Of course the rest of us know what going through proper channels means. Whistleblower charges, a trumped up trial, and length prison sentence.

Actually the statists argue that if he went through proper channels no one would know anything because the problem would be dealt with behind the scenes, but that's beside the point.

Bottom line is the system hasn't been abused... yet. If allowed to exist it will be abused at some point. Then and only then, after some person or persons' lives are thrown into chaos, will the American people be shaken out of apathy. The fact that the backlash is as severe as it's been is pleasantly surprising IMO.
 

michal1980

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The only meaningful change I can see is empowering the FISA court to approve individual requests, before they could only approve/disapprove types of requests. Assuming FISA is interested in actually doing its job, this could empower them to be less of a rubber stamp court.

lol.

right. current rejection rate .03%.

I never knew that the goverment was right 99.97% of the time. 3 out of every 1000 requests the fisa court says, no.

If thats not rubber stamping, then what would it take 100%?

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/06/fisa-court-nsa-spying-opinion-reject-request
 

videogames101

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And the state further consolidates its power, while popular sovereignty dies a slow death in the US.
 

Pulsar

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Bottom line is the system hasn't been abused... yet. If allowed to exist it will be abused at some point. Then and only then, after some person or persons' lives are thrown into chaos, will the American people be shaken out of apathy. The fact that the backlash is as severe as it's been is pleasantly surprising IMO.

Are you serious? The system hasn't been abused? How in bloody fuck can you claim to know that?

They put people in jail and don't charge them. They have all your information, because they require it to all be reported. They even have a huge chunk of the country's medical records. They have secret courts whose decisions we aren't privy to.

You have no idea whether their information gathering has been abused. But I can pretty much guarantee that HAS been abused, and we just don't know it. Pretty much common sense, since the government has abused pretty much every power it's ever been given.
 
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My thoughts on his speech:

He starts off talking about Paul Revere and how they attempted to obtain intelligence about British attacks. He lays this as a foundation to showing how we have, do, and will need intelligence. However, here is the flaw with the analogy: the Revere group were also being spied on by the British, and the British were doing anything they could to attempt to find the traitors (or shall we say terrorists as far as the British were concerned). Would the American Revolution been able to organize and get started if the British could spy on the letters/communication systems and monitor their movements? It could be argued they could not.

He does have a valid point about the East German and the FBI cautionary tales though, but he doesn't see this as the same based on what I've seen/heard from him previously.

The 4 points he made, are true as things stand today. But that doesn't mean it's the right way to go about it or that things should not be changed. And just because they require secrecy to function does not mean that their processes or broad capabilities should be kept secret from their oversight. But more importantly, he talks about changes he made like auditing, oversight, and compliance. I want to know details about these. What was changed? How was it changed? If they sought to keep Congress continually updated then why were many in Congress surprised by the revelations?

Moving on, he talks about why he didn't shut down the programs. He didn't think they broke laws, they made us more secure, and they weren't cavalier about civil liberties. While I'm sure you know more than we do, that's the problem. We can't have an intelligent debate as a society about what kind of society we want. The problem isn't that they are reading every private email or listening to every call, although there are cases where that has happened namely from romantic relationships, the problem is that they can. And that they can from years ago. And that could be used against you to essentially blackmail a person like was done by J Edgar Hoover.

To be fair, he does have a valid point about if another 9/11 or a cyber attack happen, that the NSA (and all intelligence agencies) will be asked why they didn't prevent it.

And if you had these questions raised about privacy safeguards that were in place, why didn't you push Congress to adopt a "Cyber Bill of Rights" or issue Executive Orders to protect those liberties?

I made it about halfway through with this. But here is what I've gathered from this speech. It's a lot of fluff. I have not heard anything to make me believe that anything will change from what has happened, and instead will just morph into new forms. I can't say I'm surprised, but I am slightly saddened that we don't appear to have any kind of drastic reform.
 

Nintendesert

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Actually the statists argue that if he went through proper channels no one would know anything because the problem would be dealt with behind the scenes, but that's beside the point.

Bottom line is the system hasn't been abused... yet. If allowed to exist it will be abused at some point. Then and only then, after some person or persons' lives are thrown into chaos, will the American people be shaken out of apathy. The fact that the backlash is as severe as it's been is pleasantly surprising IMO.




Are you serious?


http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/27/politics/nsa-snooping/

The National Security Agency's internal watchdog detailed a dozen instances in the past decade in which its employees intentionally misused the agency's surveillance power, in some cases to snoop on their love interests.


So do you really think that only the foreign collection has been abused and the domestic intelligence hasn't?
 
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