Obama to Consider Executive Actions on Gun Violence

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Hugo Drax

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There needs to be some kind of certification/test before you can buy a gun. People have to pass a written and then driving test to obtain a license.

Too many irresponsible, ignorant morons buying guns and end up having themselves or a family member killed.
 

Svnla

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Honestly, the only two things that really need to be done are universal background checks and limit high capacity magazines.

Background check did NOT work on many notorious shooting cases such as the latest shooting in CA, Colorado movie theater, Sandy Hooks, DC sniper, and on and on.

High cap mag ban? LOL, you have to be kidding. We tried that before during Clinton Administration.
 

michal1980

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There needs to be some kind of certification/test before you can buy a gun. People have to pass a written and then driving test to obtain a license.

Too many irresponsible, ignorant morons buying guns and end up having themselves or a family member killed.

right after we get one for voting.
 

Zorkorist

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Lets test politicians...

Are you a communist?

Do you have socialist leanings?

-John
 

Zorkorist

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There needs to be some kind of certification/test before you can buy a gun. People have to pass a written and then driving test to obtain a license.

Too many irresponsible, ignorant morons buying guns and end up having themselves or a family member killed.
LOL, no.
 

Vic

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so basically, because it feels like you are doing something?

And because some on the right shit on the 1st amendment, the left should shit on the 2nd.
If you had bothered to read my earlier post, you'd know that I disagree with Obama on this one.
And while I don't agree with two wrongs making a right, it is a fact that you reap what you sow. A tide of irrational fear has swept the country, and the people are calling on their politicians to do something.
 
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Zorkorist

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When all the candidates are for spending more, and governing more, there is very little a person can vote for, freedom.

-John
 

Zorkorist

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Freedom was supposed to be in the bill of rights. For individuals.

Today Federal Government is slamming freedom, and instituting Communism, or Socialism, Fascism.

-John
 

Vic

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When all the candidates are for spending more, and governing more, there is very little a person can vote for, freedom.

-John
They're just doing what the people demand. Even your hero Trump has 'small government conservatives' cheering at his promises of bigger and more expensive government. 'Keep us safe! Keep us safe!' they cheer. And last I saw, you were cheering with them.
 

Zorkorist

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So, the easy thing for everyone to know we are on the right path, is to ask the federal Government to balance the budget.

-John
 

Zorkorist

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I can do that, balance the budget, even while trump and Hillary can not.

Vote Zorkorist.

-John
 

Moonbeam

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This is a thread in which an effort to do something about a problem with known political divisions leads to a process of deflection. "Your fears of being shot come after my fears you will vote or be a bad parent or spend my tax dollar unwisely etc etc etc." The answer to lack of movement on important issues is the desire for dictatorship. "But don't you try to do anything about keeping guns out of the hands of madmen if it if it triggers my favorite pet peeve.."
 

boomerang

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Whatever executive orders he wants to come up with can be ignored. The .gov just passed an Omnibus bill that both condones and funds the illegal actions of sanctuary cities to cite just one example of flouting the law on a federal level. Laws are pretty much meaningless in our current society and executive actions by this president can be ignored as well.

Much ado about nothing. He's got one year left and we don't have to abide by his wishes any more than the .gov abides by the law themselves. His actions at this point are merely symbolic. He will be sued over anything he comes up with anyway and it will be tied up in the courts until after he's gone.
 

Gryz

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There should be only 2 reasons to have a gun.

1) Recreation. Allow people to shoot guns on shooting ranges. They have to keep and store their guns at the shooting range. It should be forbidden to take your gun home. Or even out of the shooting range. Strict permits on who is allowed to run a shooting range. The only type of gun allowed to have/keep/shoot at a shooting range is a large hunting rifle (see below).

2) Hunting. The only type of gun allowed is a large hunting rifle. You need a hunting permit to hunt. You only get a hunting permit if you live outside of a city, and you own land with wildlife. It would be nice if you are required to store your hunting rifle in some sort of depot, not in your own house. But that might be a bit unpractical.

No other type of guns allowed besides large hunting rifles. No handguns. No automatic or semi-automatic. No guns that can fire more than 1 bullet at a time. Nothing fancy.

End your stupid war on drugs. Let everyone that is convicted of small-time drug offenses free. Use the available space in your jails to lock up people who violate the new gun laws. Use the newly available police officers to enforce your new gun law. You get caught with a gun in your house -> 3 months in jail. You get caught with a gun outside your house -> 1 year in jail. Selling a gun illegally -> 5 years in jail.

It'll take a few years. But then most of the guns will be gone. Not all, of course. It will get harder and harder to buy guns illegally, because the supply will dry out. After a few years, guns will be really expensive. You average law-abiding citizen will not spend $5k on a illegal handgun, or $10k on a semi-automatic rifle. And even your average gang-kid or small-time crook won't be able to afford buying a gun for those prices. Your country will be safer in the long run.
 
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shady28

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In 1996, there was a massacre in Australia. And what's similar between these cases (and almost all your recurring American cases, is the motivation which is copying other massacres and "achieving" a higher body count.

In response, australia enacted gun control laws. Would you belive that it actually worked?

And that is a complete load of horse shit. You might want to look somewhere other than a liberal talk show host for information.



Armed robberies in Austrailia :



And here's how Jamaica and Ireland did :




Meanwhile in the USA, where there is no gun ban :

 
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MongGrel

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There should be only 2 reasons to have a gun.

1) Recreation. Allow people to shoot guns on shooting ranges. They have to keep and store their guns at the shooting range. It should be forbidden to take your gun home. Or even out of the shooting range. Strict permits on who is allowed to run a shooting range. The only type of gun allowed to have/keep/shoot at a shooting range is a large hunting rifle (see below).

2) Hunting. The only type of gun allowed is a large hunting rifle. You need a hunting permit to hunt. You only get a hunting permit if you live outside of a city, and you own land with wildlife. It would be nice if you are required to store your hunting rifle in some sort of depot, not in your own house. But that might be a bit unpractical.

No other type of guns allowed besides large hunting rifles. No handguns. No automatic or semi-automatic. No guns that can fire more than 1 bullet at a time. Nothing fancy.

End your stupid war on drugs. Let everyone that is convicted of small-time drug offenses free. Use the available space in your jails to lock up people who violate the new gun laws. Use the newly available police officers to enforce your new gun law. You get caught with a gun in your house -> 3 months in jail. You get caught with a gun outside your house -> 1 year in jail. Selling a gun illegally -> 5 years in jail.

It'll take a few years. But then most of the guns will be gone. Not all, of course. It will get harder and harder to buy guns illegally, because the supply will dry out. After a few years, guns will be really expensive. You average law-abiding citizen will not spend $5k on a illegal handgun, or $10k on a semi-automatic rifle. And even your average gang-kid or small-time crook won't be able to afford buying a gun for those prices. Your country will be safer in the long run.

That's not gonna happen.

And that result would not happen in a few years, even if it was ever attempted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb-Mce9VpmY

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Kwatt

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End your stupid war on drugs. Let everyone that is convicted of small-time drug offenses free. Use the available space in your jails to lock up people who violate the new gun laws. Use the newly available police officers to enforce your new gun law. You get caught with a gun in your house -> 3 months in jail. You get caught with a gun outside your house -> 1 year in jail. Selling a gun illegally -> 5 years in jail.


I would like to see this tried first.

End the stupid war on drugs. Let everyone that is convicted of small-time drug offences free. Use the available space in your jails to lock up people who violate the current gun laws.


Personal use drug offenders are easy targets and more profitable for the state and for profit penal system. So I have little hope that the "low hanging fruit" will not get picked.

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ForumMaster

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And that is a complete load of horse shit. You might want to look somewhere other than a liberal talk show host for information.



Armed robberies in Austrailia :



And here's how Jamaica and Ireland did :




Meanwhile in the USA, where there is no gun ban :


Ok, i will yield that. I did not research those numbers.

How about these?

It's pretty sad when statistically, it's safer to live in Pakistan then the US.
 

Sonikku

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Gun violence is a problem. But there are some problems that can't be fixed through the stroke of the pen.
 

bshole

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No one cares about gun violence unless it happens to rich kids.

Not true. The NAACP has take a very strong stance against gun violence.

Lastly, the NAACP has consistently opposed various pieces of legislation which will result in the proliferation of guns and gun violence. Specifically, we have opposed and continue to work against legislation which would restrict states’ ability to control who may and may not carry a concealed weapon within their borders, undermine the ability of police to verify the validity of gun permits, and allow gun traffickers to more easily bring illegal guns into their respective states.

They don't go far enough though. Only the complete removal of guns from the entire nation will work.

http://www.naacp.org/action-alerts/entry/stopping-gun-violence
 

LegendKiller

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Ok, i will yield that. I did not research those numbers.

How about these?

It's pretty sad when statistically, it's safer to live in Pakistan then the US.

Of course you didn't research the numbers. You regurgitate the same SJW bullshit propaganda, lacking any critical thought, because, you know, emotions.
So criminals kill each other, so what? Eliminate gang violence, a lot of which is driven by drug turf wars, and for the average law abiding american, there is practically no risk of gun violence. You'd have more success requiring ignition interlock on every vehicle to stop dwi deaths.

No other developed country has the demographic and social problems we do. No other ones have the drug problems or a massive shithole country to its south with no border protection.

And those numbers in Pakistan and Iraq, it all depends on reporting.
 
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