Obama to Consider Executive Actions on Gun Violence

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LegendKiller

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Not true. The NAACP has take a very strong stance against gun violence.



They don't go far enough though. Only the complete removal of guns from the entire nation will work.

http://www.naacp.org/action-alerts/entry/stopping-gun-violence
Maybe they should start encouraging proper social change for their 13.2% slice of the population before they advocate an elimination of rights for 86.8% of the population. Because despite being only 13.2% they account for more than 50% of gun homicides.
 

fskimospy

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I would be very much in favor of increased restrictions on gun ownership, but it will be hard to implement any valuable ones without legislation.

Statistically, owning a gun is generally a foolish idea if your personal safety is of primary consideration. Until we change how our laws are structured though, people have the right to make that dumb decision.
 

Sonikku

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How is it a problem?

There is such proliferation and abundance of guns in American society that criminals can gain access to them illegally with far greater ease than if they were to attempt doing so in say, Japan.
 

LegendKiller

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There is such proliferation and abundance of guns in American society that criminals can gain access to them illegally with far greater ease than if they were to attempt doing so in say, Japan.
So?

And Japan is a massively racist society that has pussified it's males (don't they call them salad men or something) where they build more coffins than cradles and has a very homogeneous society. Ohh, and it is an island.
 
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ForumMaster

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Of course you didn't research the numbers. You regurgitate the same SJW bullshit propaganda, lacking any critical thought, because, you know, emotions.
So criminals kill each other, so what? Eliminate gang violence, a lot of which is driven by drug turf wars, and for the average law abiding american, there is practically no risk of gun violence. You'd have more success requiring ignition interlock on every vehicle to stop dwi deaths.

No other developed country has the demographic and social problems we do. No other ones have the drug problems or a massive shithole country to its south with no border protection.

And those numbers in Pakistan and Iraq, it all depends on reporting.

wow. butthurt much? i'm not even american.

Actually, the main problem most of the world sees about "Merica" is the amount of school shootings you seems to have. This is due to easy access to weapons, not gang violence.

Every country in the world has gang violence (even gasp, European countries!!!). But no other western countries has nearly weekly school shootings.
 

bshole

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Maybe they should start encouraging proper social change for their 13.2% slice of the population before they advocate an elimination of rights for 86.8% of the population. Because despite being only 13.2% they account for more than 50% of gun homicides.

Um right.... so I take it that was a sidewise slice at the black population. Social change can only come in the presence of well paying jobs for them. That isn't happening any time soon.
 

LegendKiller

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wow. butthurt much? i'm not even american.

Actually, the main problem most of the world sees about "Merica" is the amount of school shootings you seems to have. This is due to easy access to weapons, not gang violence.

Every country in the world has gang violence (even gasp, European countries!!!). But no other western countries has nearly weekly school shootings.
School shootings aren't common and it is far from every week.
 

LegendKiller

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Um right.... so I take it that was a sidewise slice at the black population. Social change can only come in the presence of well paying jobs for them. That isn't happening any time soon.
And whose fault is that. Obama is going to issue executive actions expanding foreign work visas. I thought he was for black people?
 

bshole

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And whose fault is that. Obama is going to issue executive actions expanding foreign work visas. I thought he was for black people?

I blame corporations purchasing politicians. Not really much we can do about it anymore other than to bitch and moan.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Just another ploy to increase gun sales/improve the economy. Gun sales have been very brisk this holiday season (record sales on black Friday). I bet many are being sold today and will continue to be bought in record numbers until whatever feel good, do nothing executive order is put forth this time.
 

LegendKiller

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You're right. Not every week. But if we look at the stats,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#2010s

Except for December 2015, you've have one at least once or twice a month (not including the summer). Isn't that a little ridiculous?

I'd call that common enough to be a problem.
How do you quantify common?

That is statistically insignificant against the backdrop of overall preventable deaths and constitutional rights.

Many of those were gangs, universities, after hours. There was a cop shooting...etc. shitty list.
 
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shady28

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Ok, i will yield that. I did not research those numbers.

How about these?

It's pretty sad when statistically, it's safer to live in Pakistan then the US.

Your argument would be better served looking at homicide rate, not gun homicide rate, and from a non partisan source.

Pakistan has a 100% higher homicide rate than the USA. Moreover, I would imagine that Pakistan does not report all homicides as much of the country is under tribal control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


The USA is number 121 out of 218 countries listed in homicide rate.

Gun control has no correlation.

Example : Guns are illegal in Mexico. Their homicide rate is 6x that of the USA.

Example : Switzerland is number 210 out of 218, one of the lowest homicide rates. Switzerland law guarantees the right to purchase and own firearms.
 
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shady28

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wow. butthurt much? i'm not even american.

Actually, the main problem most of the world sees about "Merica" is the amount of school shootings you seems to have. This is due to easy access to weapons, not gang violence.

Every country in the world has gang violence (even gasp, European countries!!!). But no other western countries has nearly weekly school shootings.

What the world sees is what they've been fed and want to believe.

According to this, 80% of homicides in Chicago are from gang violence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_population


The Chicago Crime Commission publication "The Gang Book 2012" gave the statistic that Chicago has more gang members than any other city in the United States: 150,000.[7] The city had 532 murders in 2012, however, it saw a decrease to 413 murders in 2013. Not all murders are gang-related, but the Chicago Police Department states that 80% of all shootings and murders in the city are gang-related, which means that most violence in the city is gang upon gang violence.

There are estimated to be 1.4 million gang members in the United States. The largest ones are Latin American in origin.

I reject the notion that this border / immigration problem is a reason for me to give up constitutional rights.

Info on the gangs :

http://www.criminaljusticedegreesguide.com/features/10-most-dangerous-gangs-in-america.html
 

yh125d

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Um right.... so I take it that was a sidewise slice at the black population. Social change can only come in the presence of well paying jobs for them. That isn't happening any time soon.

There are a lot more poor white people than black people.
 

boomerang

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The thread has followed a nice track. It has been shown, through actual statistics, that progressive ideology is at the root of gun violence in the U.S. We can also see that when faced with the results of their ideology, these same people then want to enact some fascist tactics to take away the means for the populace to defend themselves against the very problem progressive ideologies have created.

The question now is will history repeat itself? At this point I think not. Too many guns and that's a very good thing. But we can't let the voice of the progressives get too loud. They have the government and the media on their side and that is a very powerful combination. Once again, no worries although when we eventually collapse due to the financial mess our leaders don't want to address, all bets are off. That's when things are really going to get interesting.
 

Sonikku

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So?

And Japan is a massively racist society that has pussified it's males (don't they call them salad men or something) where they build more coffins than cradles and has a very homogeneous society. Ohh, and it is an island.

So? Well.... It's a problem but not one that can be solved with the stroke of a pen/lawmaking? That's basically what I said at my first post. I'm not sure what it is you're trying to get at with your questions.
 

LegendKiller

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So? Well.... It's a problem but not one that can be solved with the stroke of a pen/lawmaking? That's basically what I said at my first post. I'm not sure what it is you're trying to get at with your questions.

Gun violence isn't a statistically significant problem for law abiding citizens. It is mostly a problem for suicide victims, gang members ,and other criminals. You can solve far more problems with a stroke of a pen than gun control against law abiding citizens.
 

fskimospy

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The thread has followed a nice track. It has been shown, through actual statistics, that progressive ideology is at the root of gun violence in the U.S. We can also see that when faced with the results of their ideology, these same people then want to enact some fascist tactics to take away the means for the populace to defend themselves against the very problem progressive ideologies have created.

The question now is will history repeat itself? At this point I think not. Too many guns and that's a very good thing. But we can't let the voice of the progressives get too loud. They have the government and the media on their side and that is a very powerful combination. Once again, no worries although when we eventually collapse due to the financial mess our leaders don't want to address, all bets are off. That's when things are really going to get interesting.

I would love for you to quote those statistics.

Take your time.
 
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