Obama To put Terrif on Chinese tires

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I for one, think this is a GOOD thing.

EVERYTHING that comes from China, but used to be manufactured here, should be hit with VERY HIGH tarriffs.

Seems like the ones who benefit the least from "free trade," are the American workers whose jobs get sent to third-world nations.

FUCK the world economy...I care about the American economy...and American workers.

Oh boy, where to begin? :disgust:

It's just stupid to try to produce everything we consume. It's horribly inefficient. What you see as helping our economy would only hurt it, and badly.

So instead, we produce nothing and everyone sells stuff to each other. Welcome to Walmart or "would you like fries with your order"? Oh wait, the McDonalds and Wendy's drive through is also being offshored. My bad!

Yeah, we produce nothing, that's exactly what I meant. :disgust:

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I would think the WTO will rule against the US if China brings a case. It's basically an act of war.

The Asians, not just the Chinese, have done a lot of dirty and illegal stuff to us for decades. Fuck them all.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I for one, think this is a GOOD thing.

EVERYTHING that comes from China, but used to be manufactured here, should be hit with VERY HIGH tarriffs.

Seems like the ones who benefit the least from "free trade," are the American workers whose jobs get sent to third-world nations.

FUCK the world economy...I care about the American economy...and American workers.

Oh boy, where to begin? :disgust:

It's just stupid to try to produce everything we consume. It's horribly inefficient. What you see as helping our economy would only hurt it, and badly.

So instead, we produce nothing and everyone sells stuff to each other. Welcome to Walmart or "would you like fries with your order"? Oh wait, the McDonalds and Wendy's drive through is also being offshored. My bad!

Yeah, we produce nothing, that's exactly what I meant. :disgust:

Look around your house and tell me things that are made in this country (furniture included). We are becoming a service nation of sellers...for better or worse. You know it too.


This notion that we make as much stuff as ever in the US is bullshit. Too damn many items are now being made as sub-assemblies in Mexico and other low wage countries and the final assembly is done here, giving it a component of "added value". Of course, you can now label it as made in the USA and it counts as a full product. Just a few years ago, the entire process was made in the USA. My plants still make quite a few bundles in the USA...but the components are now made in Mexico. We've opened up 5 Mexico plants while closing down 8 US plants.

It's all about cheap labor...er...excuse me...efficiency. Efficient = cheap in the case of most offshoring...period.

Other than defense, food and drug manufacturing, I would say that the majority of your stuff (well in excess of 50%) is made elsewhere. Watch that ole trade deficit keep swelling throughout the years...that is as long as you can get the rest of the world to take our printed paper for it.

You can roll your eyes if you wish, just make sure not to get sand in them from your head being buried.

Sort of on topic, I would like to make my opinion known on Chinese tires. They suck. I bought a Cobalt Coupe last year and it had 4 of the Chinese made tires on it. Had some issues with balance and took it back. After two attempts at the first dealer, I took it to another and after two more trips in, it was determined that the tires were out of round and 3 of the 4 were replaced. So far, the replacements have been OK, but 75% failure is a pretty shitty rate.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I would think the WTO will rule against the US if China brings a case. It's basically an act of war.

Where's Bush now?

"Bring it on"

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Engineer
Look around your house and tell me things that are made in this country (furniture included). We are becoming a service nation of sellers...for better or worse. You know it too.

Oh, I do know it. But this is not the answer.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Engineer
Look around your house and tell me things that are made in this country (furniture included). We are becoming a service nation of sellers...for better or worse. You know it too.

Oh, I do know it. But this is not the answer.

As you no doubt know, I'm in favor of Protectionism and a quasi Isolationistic approach to our economic philosophy. (I'm also Demand sided, not that that is relevant to the 'big' picture)

I don't know of any trading partner that we have that does not is some way invoke a protectionistic approach to their markets. I don't know of any trading partner who does not fully exploit any of their competitive advantages regardless of the legality of such - Sweat shops and like that.
The US consumer ought to be incentivised to buy fully "Made in USA" products. In violation of the various Trade treaties. I want out of them. I want the US to move from Service to Manufacturing as the backbone of our Economy.
I know you can provide Economic analysis to show the fallacy of my position but that is based on certain assumptions I don't agree with.
GM and Ford CAN build cars just as good as Toyota and Honda but the first hurdle is convincing American buyers of that fact. It seems odd to me that we've lost faith in our own capability while saying We can do it better than anyone. We are our own worst enemy.

 

[tfcmasta97]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I for one, think this is a GOOD thing.

EVERYTHING that comes from China, but used to be manufactured here, should be hit with VERY HIGH tarriffs.

Seems like the ones who benefit the least from "free trade," are the American workers whose jobs get sent to third-world nations.

FUCK the world economy...I care about the American economy...and American workers.

Yay, protectionist hicks who want to destroy American trade by having them waste resources on stupid shit while the world focuses on what they're good at. That'll help your exports and let you pay off that debt. DurkiDurr

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: tfcmasta97

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I for one, think this is a GOOD thing.

EVERYTHING that comes from China, but used to be manufactured here, should be hit with VERY HIGH tarriffs.

Seems like the ones who benefit the least from "free trade," are the American workers whose jobs get sent to third-world nations.

FUCK the world economy...I care about the American economy...and American workers.

Yay, protectionist hicks who want to destroy American trade by having them waste resources on stupid shit while the world focuses on what they're good at. That'll help your exports and let you pay off that debt. DurkiDurr

Good at = cheap.

It would be interesting if the Chinese (and maybe others too?) had a needed currency correction (instead of pegging it SUPER LOW against the USD). If the middle class in China can make it on $0.08 to $0.15 per hour, that goes to show you how out of whack our currencies are.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: tfcmasta97

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I for one, think this is a GOOD thing.

EVERYTHING that comes from China, but used to be manufactured here, should be hit with VERY HIGH tarriffs.

Seems like the ones who benefit the least from "free trade," are the American workers whose jobs get sent to third-world nations.

FUCK the world economy...I care about the American economy...and American workers.

Yay, protectionist hicks who want to destroy American trade by having them waste resources on stupid shit while the world focuses on what they're good at. That'll help your exports and let you pay off that debt. DurkiDurr

So, you're saying that America can build and sell to Americans stupid 'shit' only?
Do you think Protecting what we can make against unfair trade barriers is bad? Is America not competitive with what other nations are 'good at' and therefore be able to make and sell whatever that is in America cheaper and better than those other nations?
Do you think there is only one philosophy to employ regarding the economy? Do the facts of our Economy today not point toward any thing informative?

 

[nergee]

Based on what my Dad paid for Chinese tires for his F150, adding 35% on top of
the $50 ea. he paid, is still $42.50 cheaper per tire than what he was quoted for USA made
tires......

 

[BudAshes]

i'm down to just stop importing Chinese garbage all together. We don't need their Walmart crap. people can just learn to fix the shit they already have.

 

[piasabird]

Bad peppers cost millions of dollars in damages last year and they came from Mexico. However, we did nothing to Mexico or Mexican imports. I am surprised after all the toys with lead and the rate at which China pollutes the atmosphere that we import anything from China.

Meanwhile we will keep buying chinese made computer products, because no other country on earth can make computer parts.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Bad peppers cost millions of dollars in damages last year and they came from Mexico. However, we did nothing to Mexico or Mexican imports. I am surprised after all the toys with lead and the rate at which China pollutes the atmosphere that we import anything from China.

Meanwhile we will keep buying chinese made computer products, because no other country on earth can make computer parts.

Just wait to see what the bad drywall imported from China (releases dangerous gases into the homes) will cost to replace. In many homes built during the last decade.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: tfcmasta97

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I for one, think this is a GOOD thing.

EVERYTHING that comes from China, but used to be manufactured here, should be hit with VERY HIGH tarriffs.

Seems like the ones who benefit the least from "free trade," are the American workers whose jobs get sent to third-world nations.

FUCK the world economy...I care about the American economy...and American workers.

Yay, protectionist hicks who want to destroy American trade by having them waste resources on stupid shit while the world focuses on what they're good at. That'll help your exports and let you pay off that debt. DurkiDurr

These protectionist hicks once had jobs in American factories, you know. While most areas of the world do indeed focus on what they are good at, those areas aren't the problem. It is the countries who focus on what they can make cheaply by shafting their workers and polluting the hell out of their environment.

In a world where labor and environmental/pollution standards are equal, free trade works quite well. But as it stands now, I see no reason to accept as gospel the economists' opinions that free trade is always a good thing. Experience of the average joe shows otherwise...

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: tfcmasta97

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I for one, think this is a GOOD thing.

EVERYTHING that comes from China, but used to be manufactured here, should be hit with VERY HIGH tarriffs.

Seems like the ones who benefit the least from "free trade," are the American workers whose jobs get sent to third-world nations.

FUCK the world economy...I care about the American economy...and American workers.

Yay, protectionist hicks who want to destroy American trade by having them waste resources on stupid shit while the world focuses on what they're good at. That'll help your exports and let you pay off that debt. DurkiDurr

These protectionist hicks once had jobs in American factories, you know. While most areas of the world do indeed focus on what they are good at, those areas aren't the problem. It is the countries who focus on what they can make cheaply by shafting their workers and polluting the hell out of their environment.

In a world where labor and environmental/pollution standards are equal, free trade works quite well. But as it stands now, I see no reason to accept as gospel the economists' opinions that free trade is always a good thing. Experience of the average joe shows otherwise...

You forgot currencies being equal also. They are far from it.

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: tfcmasta97

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I for one, think this is a GOOD thing.

EVERYTHING that comes from China, but used to be manufactured here, should be hit with VERY HIGH tarriffs.

Seems like the ones who benefit the least from "free trade," are the American workers whose jobs get sent to third-world nations.

FUCK the world economy...I care about the American economy...and American workers.

Yay, protectionist hicks who want to destroy American trade by having them waste resources on stupid shit while the world focuses on what they're good at. That'll help your exports and let you pay off that debt. DurkiDurr

These protectionist hicks once had jobs in American factories, you know. While most areas of the world do indeed focus on what they are good at, those areas aren't the problem. It is the countries who focus on what they can make cheaply by shafting their workers and polluting the hell out of their environment.

In a world where labor and environmental/pollution standards are equal, free trade works quite well. But as it stands now, I see no reason to accept as gospel the economists' opinions that free trade is always a good thing. Experience of the average joe shows otherwise...

100% agree with you. These products we buy aren't actually cheaper, we are just putting the cost on those that come after us.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: tfcmasta97

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I for one, think this is a GOOD thing.

EVERYTHING that comes from China, but used to be manufactured here, should be hit with VERY HIGH tarriffs.

Seems like the ones who benefit the least from "free trade," are the American workers whose jobs get sent to third-world nations.

FUCK the world economy...I care about the American economy...and American workers.

Yay, protectionist hicks who want to destroy American trade by having them waste resources on stupid shit while the world focuses on what they're good at. That'll help your exports and let you pay off that debt. DurkiDurr

The problem is that we don't really have trade. We send out dollars and bring in goods.

 

[DesiPower]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: tfcmasta97

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I for one, think this is a GOOD thing.

EVERYTHING that comes from China, but used to be manufactured here, should be hit with VERY HIGH tarriffs.

Seems like the ones who benefit the least from "free trade," are the American workers whose jobs get sent to third-world nations.

FUCK the world economy...I care about the American economy...and American workers.

Yay, protectionist hicks who want to destroy American trade by having them waste resources on stupid shit while the world focuses on what they're good at. That'll help your exports and let you pay off that debt. DurkiDurr

The problem is that we don't really have trade. We send out dollars and bring in goods.

Not only that, its also environmentally irresponsible. Everything manufactured there results in much more pollution as compared to anything manufactured here. Its about time Americans take responsibility and start paying up for environmentally responsible manufacturing.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: SammyJr
The problem is that we don't really have trade. We send out dollars and bring in goods.

In 2006, the last year for which I can find data, the US manufacturing sector exported nearly $800 billions dollars worth of goods. Reportedly, with the lower dollar, we are doing even more export business now.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: SammyJr
The problem is that we don't really have trade. We send out dollars and bring in goods.

In 2006, the last year for which I can find data, the US manufacturing sector exported nearly $800 billions dollars worth of goods. Reportedly, with the lower dollar, we are doing even more export business now.

And how much of that was finished goods vs raw good they use to make items and then sell back to us.
let alone the amount we import vs export.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
In 2006, the last year for which I can find data, the US manufacturing sector exported nearly $800 billions dollars worth of goods. Reportedly, with the lower dollar, we are doing even more export business now.

And how much of that was finished goods vs raw good they use to make items and then sell back to us.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I bet a lot of people can't spell Smoot-Hartley. It's got a hyphen and everything.

Or if people could get the correct act, its Smoot-Hawley

Moonie never asked if we could identify legislation; he merely asked if we could spell "Smoot-Hartley".

Best 3 post exchange ever!

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Obama administration will put steep import duties of 35% in the first year on Chinese passenger and light truck tires, responding to what the U.S. International Trade Commission determined to be a surge of Chinese tire exports that has rocked the domestic U.S. tire industry and displaced thousands of jobs, U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk announced Friday night.

Link

This could start a trade war and cost more jobs than it saves. Who was the idiots who is listening to the auto works on this insanity. This is a big mistake.

Where is the real Moonbeam, and what did you do with him?!

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
In 2006, the last year for which I can find data, the US manufacturing sector exported nearly $800 billions dollars worth of goods. Reportedly, with the lower dollar, we are doing even more export business now.

And how much of that was finished goods vs raw good they use to make items and then sell back to us.

Steel vs assembled products etc.

Probably quite a bit of food and military products. Other than that, not much else would be my guess.

 

[halik]

This is by far the stupidest thing Obama has done as a president. In the best case scenario, it will get overturned at WTO and he traded off part of our 401ks for his political gain. In the worst case scenario (things get out of hand), we're fucked for the next 10 years.

There are proper channels to file such complaints (WTO), having USTR institute the tariffs is just screeming for a trade war.