Obama: "We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ..."

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
What's a bigger irony here is that a self professed libertarian thinks the gov't should be telling us how to live. But then again... well nevermind.
I don't have a problem with Conservation. I myself am as big of a tree-hugger(not literally) Conservative as you'll find but that doesn't mean I buy all the enviro-whacko BS or support the gov't telling people to put on a sweater. I think people who wish to push conservation should do so by example not command it from on high. But that's just libertarian part of my Conservative nature...

More knee-jerking and denial of current political realities from you. And no one with an ounce of libertarianism in them would support GW Bush as you have done, so you'll pardon me while I blow off your bullshit.

Plus, I didn't see where Obama proposed having govt tell us how we should live. But that's a pretty straw man for you, isn't it? What he did do is suggest that such a lifestyle should be held in high regard among us, in part because it isn't in the rest of the world.

edit: BTW, the little thingie only makes you look stupid and obstinate.

Likewise I'll continue to blow off your bull shit because no one with an ounce of libertarian in them would support Obama as you are doing.

Given the choice between 2 evils, I chose the lesser. It wasn't rocket science, particularly with Obama actually having a strong civil libertarian record, whereas your guy fails in that regard on all counts. I figure you're trying to tie in that old libertarians should always vote conservative bit while still ignoring that your party is no longer anything remotely resembling conservative. Ah well...

Oh BTW, did you come up with where Obama proposed having govt tell us how we should live? Or are you still blowing smoke out your ass?

Who is "my guy"? Oh that's right... I'm not backing anyone... More spew from you...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: RichardE


It is pretty obvious what will happen if people are not told what to do. The last few presidents have been in pretty decent shape and that has not stopped obesity. Your "lead by example and people will follow" is a fatally flawed argument.

Did I need the gov't to tell me to use resources wisely and respect nature? Nope.... no I didn't.

Obviously we do. Laisex-faire politics doesn't work.

Because they know what's better for us.... :roll:

Which Republican laissez-faire policies do you support? The tax breaks or the subsidies?

Eh? That has nothing to do with what I've said here. This isn't about Republicans - it's about Obama. So I now ask - what laissez-faire policies of Obama do you support?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: RichardE


It is pretty obvious what will happen if people are not told what to do. The last few presidents have been in pretty decent shape and that has not stopped obesity. Your "lead by example and people will follow" is a fatally flawed argument.

Did I need the gov't to tell me to use resources wisely and respect nature? Nope.... no I didn't.

Obviously we do. Laisex-faire politics doesn't work.

Because they know what's better for us.... :roll:

Which Republican laissez-faire policies do you support? The tax breaks or the subsidies?

Eh? That has nothing to do with what I've said here. This isn't about Republicans - it's about Obama. So I now ask - what laissez-faire policies of Obama do you support?

Actually this whole quote line is about the government which the republicans are a part of. You've used the "its not on topic!" to dodge a few questions in threads now that might be too hard for you to answer while you cherry pick nice and easy ones. So why not grow a paid and actually answer a few posed at you?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
What's a bigger irony here is that a self professed libertarian thinks the gov't should be telling us how to live. But then again... well nevermind.
I don't have a problem with Conservation. I myself am as big of a tree-hugger(not literally) Conservative as you'll find but that doesn't mean I buy all the enviro-whacko BS or support the gov't telling people to put on a sweater. I think people who wish to push conservation should do so by example not command it from on high. But that's just libertarian part of my Conservative nature...

More knee-jerking and denial of current political realities from you. And no one with an ounce of libertarianism in them would support GW Bush as you have done, so you'll pardon me while I blow off your bullshit.

Plus, I didn't see where Obama proposed having govt tell us how we should live. But that's a pretty straw man for you, isn't it? What he did do is suggest that such a lifestyle should be held in high regard among us, in part because it isn't in the rest of the world.

edit: BTW, the little thingie only makes you look stupid and obstinate.

Likewise I'll continue to blow off your bull shit because no one with an ounce of libertarian in them would support Obama as you are doing.

Given the choice between 2 evils, I chose the lesser. It wasn't rocket science, particularly with Obama actually having a strong civil libertarian record, whereas your guy fails in that regard on all counts. I figure you're trying to tie in that old libertarians should always vote conservative bit while still ignoring that your party is no longer anything remotely resembling conservative. Ah well...

Oh BTW, did you come up with where Obama proposed having govt tell us how we should live? Or are you still blowing smoke out your ass?

Who is "my guy"? Oh that's right... I'm not backing anyone... More spew from you...

There are only 2 candidates left with a shot at the Presidency, and you're extremely vocal in your opposition to one and only one. It doesn't take a Holmes to figure this one out.

BTW, I've always taken a little exception to that "telling us how to live" bit in this particular context. The Religious Right has been telling people how to live since this country's founding, putting people in prisons for being gay, having abortions, or doing the wrong recreational drugs, and you either support them or do nothing. But OMG someone suggested that people shouldn't be such fat pig consumerists and you're pulling on the libertarian alarm bell!!

:roll:

 

[Jhhnn]

Uhh, the part that you desperately want to ignore, PJ, is that the rest of the world is sending us a signal that they're not really happy with the way we do things, and that's in terms of the falling value of the dollar and the soaring price of petroleum, priced in dollars.

That message will only become stronger if we continue on our current trajectory. We can voluntarily engage in some restraint, or it'll be forced upon us via the mechanism of the market. It's already happening.

This comment from Atreus21 pretty much sums up the whole willfull blindness aspect of it all-

"I don't see how living comfortably constitutes destructive behavior. If I run my AC 24 hours a day, I get a big honking electrical bill in the mail. That's all I've ever observed. If I consume less, I spend less. If I consume more, I spend more. That seems to me a reasonable state of affairs."

And, of course, the more people who think the same way, the more it stresses the infrastructure, meaning higher prices per kilowatt to increase capacity, brownouts, blackouts and equipment burnouts for both suppliers and consumers... much the same applying to petroleum and natural gas, as well.

Try looking at it from the other side- Should a frugal individual like Capt Caveman pay more per unit of energy because you're a wasteful and callous glutton? Should people who really can't afford it be forced to do so just so that you can pretend that's not happening?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: RichardE


It is pretty obvious what will happen if people are not told what to do. The last few presidents have been in pretty decent shape and that has not stopped obesity. Your "lead by example and people will follow" is a fatally flawed argument.

Did I need the gov't to tell me to use resources wisely and respect nature? Nope.... no I didn't.

Obviously we do. Laisex-faire politics doesn't work.

Because they know what's better for us.... :roll:

Which Republican laissez-faire policies do you support? The tax breaks or the subsidies?

Eh? That has nothing to do with what I've said here. This isn't about Republicans - it's about Obama. So I now ask - what laissez-faire policies of Obama do you support?

Actually this whole quote line is about the government which the republicans are a part of. You've used the "its not on topic!" to dodge a few questions in threads now that might be too hard for you to answer while you cherry pick nice and easy ones. So why not grow a paid and actually answer a few posed at you?

I point out the consistent duhversions in obama threads and will continue to. This has nothing to do with Republicans just like the dozens of other threads about obama that get duhverted by his bots.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
What's a bigger irony here is that a self professed libertarian thinks the gov't should be telling us how to live. But then again... well nevermind.
I don't have a problem with Conservation. I myself am as big of a tree-hugger(not literally) Conservative as you'll find but that doesn't mean I buy all the enviro-whacko BS or support the gov't telling people to put on a sweater. I think people who wish to push conservation should do so by example not command it from on high. But that's just libertarian part of my Conservative nature...

More knee-jerking and denial of current political realities from you. And no one with an ounce of libertarianism in them would support GW Bush as you have done, so you'll pardon me while I blow off your bullshit.

Plus, I didn't see where Obama proposed having govt tell us how we should live. But that's a pretty straw man for you, isn't it? What he did do is suggest that such a lifestyle should be held in high regard among us, in part because it isn't in the rest of the world.

edit: BTW, the little thingie only makes you look stupid and obstinate.

Likewise I'll continue to blow off your bull shit because no one with an ounce of libertarian in them would support Obama as you are doing.

Given the choice between 2 evils, I chose the lesser. It wasn't rocket science, particularly with Obama actually having a strong civil libertarian record, whereas your guy fails in that regard on all counts. I figure you're trying to tie in that old libertarians should always vote conservative bit while still ignoring that your party is no longer anything remotely resembling conservative. Ah well...

Oh BTW, did you come up with where Obama proposed having govt tell us how we should live? Or are you still blowing smoke out your ass?

Who is "my guy"? Oh that's right... I'm not backing anyone... More spew from you...

There are only 2 candidates left with a shot at the Presidency, and you're extremely vocal in your opposition to one and only one. It doesn't take a Holmes to figure this one out.

BTW, I've always taken a little exception to that "telling us how to live" bit in this particular context. The Religious Right has been telling people how to live since this country's founding, putting people in prisons for being gay, having abortions, or doing the wrong recreational drugs, and you either support them or do nothing. But OMG someone suggested that people shouldn't be such fat pig consumerists and you're pulling on the libertarian alarm bell!!

:roll:

Again, who is "my guy" when I've repeatedly stated that I may just sit on my hands. Man you are one dense mofo since you drank the obamarama koolaid. Sheesh.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: RichardE


It is pretty obvious what will happen if people are not told what to do. The last few presidents have been in pretty decent shape and that has not stopped obesity. Your "lead by example and people will follow" is a fatally flawed argument.

Did I need the gov't to tell me to use resources wisely and respect nature? Nope.... no I didn't.

Obviously we do. Laisex-faire politics doesn't work.

Because they know what's better for us.... :roll:

Which Republican laissez-faire policies do you support? The tax breaks or the subsidies?

Eh? That has nothing to do with what I've said here. This isn't about Republicans - it's about Obama. So I now ask - what laissez-faire policies of Obama do you support?

Actually this whole quote line is about the government which the republicans are a part of. You've used the "its not on topic!" to dodge a few questions in threads now that might be too hard for you to answer while you cherry pick nice and easy ones. So why not grow a paid and actually answer a few posed at you?

I point out the consistent duhversions in obama threads and will continue to. This has nothing to do with Republicans just like the dozens of other threads about obama that get duhverted by his bots.

Funny your response to my criticism of laissez-fair politics had nothing to do with the topic yet you felt the need to respond, than when the questions got tough you went crying back into a little fetal position. Good ol hypocritical position.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: RichardE


It is pretty obvious what will happen if people are not told what to do. The last few presidents have been in pretty decent shape and that has not stopped obesity. Your "lead by example and people will follow" is a fatally flawed argument.

Did I need the gov't to tell me to use resources wisely and respect nature? Nope.... no I didn't.

Obviously we do. Laisex-faire politics doesn't work.

Because they know what's better for us.... :roll:

Which Republican laissez-faire policies do you support? The tax breaks or the subsidies?

Eh? That has nothing to do with what I've said here. This isn't about Republicans - it's about Obama. So I now ask - what laissez-faire policies of Obama do you support?

Actually, I would not be surprised if Obama ended up being like Bill Clinton, i.e. more free market-friendly than his Republican contemporaries, before and after.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Vic
There are only 2 candidates left with a shot at the Presidency, and you're extremely vocal in your opposition to one and only one. It doesn't take a Holmes to figure this one out.

BTW, I've always taken a little exception to that "telling us how to live" bit in this particular context. The Religious Right has been telling people how to live since this country's founding, putting people in prisons for being gay, having abortions, or doing the wrong recreational drugs, and you either support them or do nothing. But OMG someone suggested that people shouldn't be such fat pig consumerists and you're pulling on the libertarian alarm bell!!

:roll:

Again, who is "my guy" when I've repeatedly stated that I may just sit on my hands. Man you are one dense mofo since you drank the obamarama koolaid. Sheesh.

I take that back. Apparently in your case it does a Holmes.

Look, man, protest all you want, but no one is going to fall for your "I'm Switzerland!" act while you're hurling bombs at the Obama camp only.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Vic
There are only 2 candidates left with a shot at the Presidency, and you're extremely vocal in your opposition to one and only one. It doesn't take a Holmes to figure this one out.

BTW, I've always taken a little exception to that "telling us how to live" bit in this particular context. The Religious Right has been telling people how to live since this country's founding, putting people in prisons for being gay, having abortions, or doing the wrong recreational drugs, and you either support them or do nothing. But OMG someone suggested that people shouldn't be such fat pig consumerists and you're pulling on the libertarian alarm bell!!

:roll:

Again, who is "my guy" when I've repeatedly stated that I may just sit on my hands. Man you are one dense mofo since you drank the obamarama koolaid. Sheesh.

I take that back. Apparently in your case it does a Holmes.

Look, man, protest all you want, but no one is going to fall for your "I'm Switzerland!" act while you're hurling bombs at the Obama camp only.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2189237&enterthread=y

Dense much? I'll also note that it isn't the first time I've stated that. But I guess in your koolaid world you only have 2 choices....

Now back to the topic - sheesh.

 

[Rio Rebel]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
This thread is a gem. You can't criticize his position, so you either call him stupid or assume he's a hypocrite.

His position is fucking idiotic. This is the greatest, richest, and most charitable nation in the world. If I want to stop by hooters tonight and get another dozen wings from a chick whose greatest contribution is a nice smile and well rounded rack, what I have done and 200 years of americans before me is to provide that ability.

As ignorant as anything I've ever read.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Vic
There are only 2 candidates left with a shot at the Presidency, and you're extremely vocal in your opposition to one and only one. It doesn't take a Holmes to figure this one out.

BTW, I've always taken a little exception to that "telling us how to live" bit in this particular context. The Religious Right has been telling people how to live since this country's founding, putting people in prisons for being gay, having abortions, or doing the wrong recreational drugs, and you either support them or do nothing. But OMG someone suggested that people shouldn't be such fat pig consumerists and you're pulling on the libertarian alarm bell!!

:roll:

Again, who is "my guy" when I've repeatedly stated that I may just sit on my hands. Man you are one dense mofo since you drank the obamarama koolaid. Sheesh.

I take that back. Apparently in your case it does a Holmes.

Look, man, protest all you want, but no one is going to fall for your "I'm Switzerland!" act while you're hurling bombs at the Obama camp only.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2189237&enterthread=y

Dense much? I'll also note that it isn't the first time I've stated that. But I guess in your koolaid world you only have 2 choices....

Now back to the topic - sheesh.

Your choice is worse than Re-Electing Dubyah. Didn't think it was possible, congrats. :thumbsup:

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeh, right, CSG. And your whole idea of sitting on your hands is to blast away at Obama, encourage the ROTW to vote against him...

But you're not a partisan shill, you're not pro- McCain, just anti- Obama, right?

Saran wrap is less transparent...

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

When did the RNC start paying the local bush/neo-con defenders to start astro-turfing for McCain?

Amazing how partisan hacks totally overreact to the the "other" sides comments, while always giving their "side" a free pass.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: The Cornballer
i need barack hussein obama to tell me how to live my life.

LULZ... but telling gays how to live is okay.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: The Cornballer
i need barack hussein obama to tell me how to live my life.

LULZ... but telling gays how to live is okay.

Of course, didn't you get the memo - they want small enough government to fit in your bedroom.

 

[MonkeyK]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Plus people don't want to vote based on a negative view of the country. They want to vote based on the positive view. Go read Presidential campaign slogans and look at how many of them have a positive view. People want to vote FOR something, not vote against the other guy.

One person's negative is another person's positive. I see statements regarding overconsumption as a view of the greatness that we should strive for. It is not saying that we suck, only that we should aspire to something greater (which, as the greatest nation on the planet, we should)

 

[Throckmorton]

This is called STRAIGHT TALK. If you don't like it... well you're an idiot who needs to keep your limbs inside the PC bus and shut up.

 

[alphatarget1]

hm, yeah. there could be better ways to phrase it.

Something along the lines of: We need to think about conserving resources for the next generation and think about the consequences of our actions.

That sounds much less condescending than what he said. This is just like the bitter comment. So much for judgment coming from BHO.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Agreed that it's likely just a verbal gaffe - not quite to the level of "I voted for it before I voted against it,"

You mean how Bush was AGAINST the spending of the $87B for troops is it was paid for with tax revenue instead of borrowing, and then in favor of the bill when it was with borrowing?

Sorry, but I'm going to point out the correct fact on that when I see someone post the incorrect version which erroneously omits the fact Bush flipped flopped as much or more.

The only difference is that the lie that it was a Kerry issue and not a Bush issue was drilled into people by the Republican machine and the media - not the facts, which say otherwise.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
hm, yeah. there could be better ways to phrase it.

Something along the lines of: We need to think about conserving resources for the next generation and think about the consequences of our actions.

That sounds much less condescending than what he said. This is just like the bitter comment. So much for judgment coming from BHO.

He's a pretty average guy overall. Still calling people sweetie, it just shows how down to earth he is and how "he isn't a typical politican" that he is running on.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
hm, yeah. there could be better ways to phrase it.

Something along the lines of: We need to think about conserving resources for the next generation and think about the consequences of our actions.

That sounds much less condescending than what he said. This is just like the bitter comment. So much for judgment coming from BHO.

He's a pretty average guy overall. Still calling people sweetie, it just shows how down to earth he is and how "he isn't a typical politican" that he is running on.

You're kidding right?

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: mshan
He's basically advocating the fiscal equivalent of cutting back on government spending, but most people never get past their rabid Pavlovian response to an effective talking point.

Worst. Deflect. Attempt. Ever.

Barack is simply ignorant to the nth degree. Maybe in 30 years when he knows how the country functions will he be ready to be president, but this guy right now is an absolute train wreck.

This line of thinking from Obama isn't new but it seems to be gaining among the bleeding heart liberals who feel awfully guilty for the US having it's cake and eating it too.

There's so much in what he said that is just plain dumb.

1) Wow luxuries... what does he want, us to go back to living in mud huts?
2) Why do douche liberals care so much why the things we get with our HARD WORK ETHIC might make other nations jealous? If there's one thing htat bothers me about what he said it's this. This douchebag and every other douchebag liberal like him would no doubt give our sovernty away to anyone abroad who pretends to be our allies.

THis guy needs to be shown a landslide defeat because he will change our country all right, by making null and void the hard work we put into getting where we are.

Bush sounds like an idiot from his mannerisms but this guy is an idiot for his actual words.

Hard work ethic? Where?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Likewise I'll continue to blow off your bull shit because no one with an ounce of libertarian in them would support Obama as you are doing.

So am I to presume you'll be sitting out the election this November? I can't imagine you'd find any appealing qualities in ANY of the candidates, so that seems a likely conclusion.