Obama: "We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ..."

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

A good president would offer to help the auto industry develop fuel efficient hybrids (or outright electric) SUVs while also addressing Malthusian issues like population explosion.

A better comment would be:

"I'm going to help the auto-industry develop high mileage, fuel efficient hybrid SUVs and I'm going to work to attain zero population growth or negative population growth so that we can eat as much as we want and keep our homes at 72 degrees all the time."

So basically corporate welfare? Auto companies getting rich off of taxpayer funding?

Works for the Agriculture industry, right?

I'm not sure "works" is the term I'd choose.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: The Cornballer

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: The Cornballer
well ill cut to the chase.
I wouldnt trust Barack Hussein Obama with the Whitehouse up the street from me, let alone the one in DC.

Who did you trust in 2000? 2004?

in 2k i voted bush
in 2k4 i abstained
in 2k8 i'll be voting for McCain, because for all the bullshit amongst the 3 candidates i know this about McCain.
he rotted for years in a fucking torture chamber prison camp for this country.
thats tangible to me and its about the only thing that is with these three.

And maybe after spending years in a POW camp for this country, he feels this country owes him something, and he's going to rob the place blind for him and his friends?

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: The Cornballer

in 2k8 i'll be voting for McCain, because for all the bullshit amongst the 3 candidates i know this about McCain.
he rotted for years in a fucking torture chamber prison camp for this country.
thats tangible to me and its about the only thing that is with these three.

He got shot down and caught.. He's a loser. Winners don't get shot down. Winners don't get caught and sent to prison camps. Shit, he didn't even escape and have a movie made about it..

What's so great about that?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: The Cornballer
John McCain, kept shit real, laid it all on the line for this country.
i respect that.
As Moonie will tell you, were all horribly flawed (cept maybe you of course) so Johnny Mac gets a pass.

Classic. So just because McCain fought in Vietnam, that overrules all his current policies, problems, ideas?

Isn't this what got us into this mess with Bush? Many religious voters voted for him, and still support him, saying "he's a christian". So breaking the law is OK with them, since "he's a christian".

That is the same thing you are doing "he's a Vietnam vet"....he can do whatever he wants, I'll support him because he fought in Vietnam.

While I respect him for what he did, unlike some of our current warmongers *cough* bush/cheney *cough* , that doesn't have a lot to do with whether he will make a good president. Flying jets and being a POW doesn't teach you how to deal with people, or economics, or anything else. That doesn't mean he can't know those things, just that there is no link between a POW and a good president.

So I take it you voted for Kerry in 2004, since he "laid it on the line" , just like McCain? I didn't think so. Sounds like a rationalization to me.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: The Cornballer

in 2k8 i'll be voting for McCain, because for all the bullshit amongst the 3 candidates i know this about McCain.
he rotted for years in a fucking torture chamber prison camp for this country.
thats tangible to me and its about the only thing that is with these three.

He got shot down and caught.. He's a loser. Winners don't get shot down. Winners don't get caught and sent to prison camps. Shit, he didn't even escape and have a movie made about it..

What's so great about that?

I seriously hope you are joking, and that you don't really mean that.

Please tell me you aren't serious.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
On the one in 100 chance that you didn't notice who wrote that, I meant awesome in a way that should be preserved for our great grandchildren so that when they type 'stupid argument rife with logical fallacies written by a partisan hack with limited reading comprehension skills' into their holographic learning machines that this post will show up.

That response is sig worthy! :laugh: :thumbsup:

Edit: bad quote (again)

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: The Cornballer

in 2k8 i'll be voting for McCain, because for all the bullshit amongst the 3 candidates i know this about McCain.
he rotted for years in a fucking torture chamber prison camp for this country.
thats tangible to me and its about the only thing that is with these three.

He got shot down and caught.. He's a loser. Winners don't get shot down. Winners don't get caught and sent to prison camps. Shit, he didn't even escape and have a movie made about it..

What's so great about that?

I seriously hope you are joking, and that you don't really mean that.

Please tell me you aren't serious.

I'm dead serious. Look, as a human being I abhor torture in all forms. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I am deeply ashamed that I don't personally do more to stop torture that is being carried out right now.

But that said, looking at the facts of what happened, I don't see why it is a reason to pat John McCain on the back and call him a hero. When I think of heroics, I think of the Congressional Medal of Honor recipients who perform literal super heroic acts during war. Not the guys who get caught and held prisoner.

What is so great about being a prisoner of war? Why is that heroic? He didn't get there by being the best at what he was doing.. It was just an unfortunate set of circumstances that could've happened to anyone.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: The Cornballer

in 2k8 i'll be voting for McCain, because for all the bullshit amongst the 3 candidates i know this about McCain.
he rotted for years in a fucking torture chamber prison camp for this country.
thats tangible to me and its about the only thing that is with these three.

He got shot down and caught.. He's a loser. Winners don't get shot down. Winners don't get caught and sent to prison camps. Shit, he didn't even escape and have a movie made about it..

What's so great about that?

I seriously hope you are joking, and that you don't really mean that.

Please tell me you aren't serious.

I'm dead serious. Look, as a human being I abhor torture in all forms. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I am deeply ashamed that I don't personally do more to stop torture that is being carried out right now.

But that said, looking at the facts of what happened, I don't see why it is a reason to pat John McCain on the back and call him a hero. When I think of heroics, I think of the Congressional Medal of Honor recipients who perform literal super heroic acts during war. Not the guys who get caught and held prisoner.

What is so great about being a prisoner of war? Why is that heroic? He didn't get there by being the best at what he was doing.. It was just an unfortunate set of circumstances that could've happened to anyone.

I didn't call it heroic. You called him a loser for getting shot down, and then not escaping. That is totally ridiculous and out of line.

As a serving military officer, he did his duty as he was ordered, to the best of his ability. He didn't have a choice in who or where to fight, just like everyone in the military. Getting shot down (or getting captured, or shot, or killed, or making it home safely) has nothing to do with being a winner/loser.

A lot comes down to luck. You can do everything right, be the best pilot in the world, and still get shot down. And then being held in a POW camp isn't exactly easy to escape from. How many people escaped from Hanoi? I think it is *zero*.

So I take issue with calling him a loser for getting shot down and not escaping. You don't want to call him a hero, fine. I wouldn't really say he is a hero either, but he did his duty, which is all anyone can ask of a person.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: The Cornballer

in 2k8 i'll be voting for McCain, because for all the bullshit amongst the 3 candidates i know this about McCain.
he rotted for years in a fucking torture chamber prison camp for this country.
thats tangible to me and its about the only thing that is with these three.

He got shot down and caught.. He's a loser. Winners don't get shot down. Winners don't get caught and sent to prison camps. Shit, he didn't even escape and have a movie made about it..

What's so great about that?

I seriously hope you are joking, and that you don't really mean that.

Please tell me you aren't serious.

We're going to see increasing opposition to John McCain from veterans of all kinds, especially when he falls back on his own war record.
You see, McCain was a POW who voted to seal the POW/MIA records, making it so hundreds of families would never find out the final fate of their lost loved ones.
And McCain was the Vietnam veteran who voted to normalize relations with the Vietnamese government.
And he was the tortured POW who voted to allow our own country to torture POW's.

IOW, McCain's hypocrisy knows no bounds, and Vietnam veterans know this most of all.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

So I take issue with calling him a loser for getting shot down and not escaping. You don't want to call him a hero, fine. I wouldn't really say he is a hero either, but he did his duty, which is all anyone can ask of a person.

Fair enough. He certainly served his country. I guess one could consider that as deserving of a vote for president as anything else.. I just happen to disagree. I expect more of the commander in chief.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: The Cornballer

in 2k8 i'll be voting for McCain, because for all the bullshit amongst the 3 candidates i know this about McCain.
he rotted for years in a fucking torture chamber prison camp for this country.
thats tangible to me and its about the only thing that is with these three.

He got shot down and caught.. He's a loser. Winners don't get shot down. Winners don't get caught and sent to prison camps. Shit, he didn't even escape and have a movie made about it..

What's so great about that?

I seriously hope you are joking, and that you don't really mean that.

Please tell me you aren't serious.

I'm dead serious. Look, as a human being I abhor torture in all forms. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I am deeply ashamed that I don't personally do more to stop torture that is being carried out right now.

But that said, looking at the facts of what happened, I don't see why it is a reason to pat John McCain on the back and call him a hero. When I think of heroics, I think of the Congressional Medal of Honor recipients who perform literal super heroic acts during war. Not the guys who get caught and held prisoner.

What is so great about being a prisoner of war? Why is that heroic? He didn't get there by being the best at what he was doing.. It was just an unfortunate set of circumstances that could've happened to anyone.

It wasn't just that McCain was a POW, it was what he did while he was being held captive. If you think McCain's story begin and end at "got shot down and caught" then you are very mistaken.

McCain endured some of the worst treatment possible, never gave in, and communicated with his fellow POWs to do the same. At one time, one of McCain's fellow POWs had his arm broken with the bone sticking out of his skin by the Vietnamese and placed it in a cast to keep it misshapen. The N Vietnamese threatened to harm anybody that helped the man. McCain reset the man's bones and fashioned a sling for him. When McCain and the fellow POW were finally released, the doctors told the POW that the treatment he received on his arm saved his use of the arm and the man was able to fly again.

There are different kind of heroics, not just the kind done on the battlefield.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2189237&enterthread=y

Dense much? I'll also note that it isn't the first time I've stated that. But I guess in your koolaid world you only have 2 choices....

Now back to the topic - sheesh.

If you're neutral why only the Obama mention in your sig? Where's McCain's portion?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
This thread is a gem. You can't criticize his position, so you either call him stupid or assume he's a hypocrite.

His position is fucking idiotic. This is the greatest, richest, and most charitable nation in the world. If I want to stop by hooters tonight and get another dozen wings from a chick whose greatest contribution is a nice smile and well rounded rack, what I have done and 200 years of americans before me is to provide that ability.

As ignorant as anything I've ever read.

Yep, and a perfect example of why we're not so popular around the world. Of course, people like lupi don't give a flying fvck and unfortunately there's a lot like him.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Obama looks more and more like Jimmy Carter every day.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: senseamp
Obama looks more and more like Jimmy Carter every day.

Which is exactly what's needed.

I guess I am not really a big fan of wearing sweaters.

Neither are the people who have trouble affording heating to the insane amount of consumption from people that don't care.

I have no trouble paying for my heating bill.

Duh. You're an elitist hypocrite.

 

[RKDaley]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Duwelon


Worst. Deflect. Attempt. Ever.

Barack is simply ignorant to the nth degree. Maybe in 30 years when he knows how the country functions will he be ready to be president, but this guy right now is an absolute train wreck.

This line of thinking from Obama isn't new but it seems to be gaining among the bleeding heart liberals who feel awfully guilty for the US having it's cake and eating it too.

There's so much in what he said that is just plain dumb.

1) Wow luxuries... what does he want, us to go back to living in mud huts?
2) Why do douche liberals care so much why the things we get with our HARD WORK ETHIC might make other nations jealous? If there's one thing htat bothers me about what he said it's this. This douchebag and every other douchebag liberal like him would no doubt give our sovernty away to anyone abroad who pretends to be our allies.

THis guy needs to be shown a landslide defeat because he will change our country all right, by making null and void the hard work we put into getting where we are.

Bush sounds like an idiot from his mannerisms but this guy is an idiot for his actual words.

This post is awesome.

Thanks for your support, brother.

On the one in 100 chance that you didn't notice who wrote that, I meant awesome in a way that should be preserved for our great grandchildren so that when they type 'stupid argument rife with logical fallacies written by a partisan hack with limited reading comprehension skills' into their holographic learning machines that this post will show up.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Atreus21
In the end it doesn't matter. The statement itself isn't what people are arguing about. If Bush or McCain had said this, there'd be weeping and wailing.

Sarcasm? It is about the statement and it's one that neither Bush or McCain would ever say.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: The Cornballer

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: The Cornballer
i need barack hussein obama to tell me how to live my life.

:roll: Kindly go play in traffic.

kindly go fuck yourself.
and obama hussein barack can take the same advice.

Can't do that right now. I'm busy tea bagging your mom.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Vic

We're going to see increasing opposition to John McCain from veterans of all kinds, especially when he falls back on his own war record.
You see, McCain was a POW who voted to seal the POW/MIA records, making it so hundreds of families would never find out the final fate of their lost loved ones.
And McCain was the Vietnam veteran who voted to normalize relations with the Vietnamese government.
And he was the tortured POW who voted to allow our own country to torture POW's.

IOW, McCain's hypocrisy knows no bounds, and Vietnam veterans know this most of all.

Voting to normalize relations with Vietnam isn't a problem, per se. They exist on the planet, and sooner or later, we'd have to get around to talking with them just because it's cheaper than shooting (pick your set of costs).

It shows McSame's hypocrisy because his vote on this issue is a direct contradiction of his and Bush's slam at Obama for saying he would be willing to talk with other hostile nations and groups including Iran, Hamas, etc.

Vets have another problem with McSame. Along with his Traitor In Chief, he's opposed to a bill sponsored by Democratic Senator Jim Webb of Virginia and Republican Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska that would guarantee full tuition payments to veterans at any public school in their home state.

Like McSame, both Webb and Hagel are Vietnam War vets. Unlike Webb, Hagel and supporters of their bill, Bush and McSame don't care enough about those they sent into battle in Iraq and Afghanistan to give them the same well deserved respect for their service that previous GI bills provided for previous generations of Amercan veterans. :thumbsdown:

 

[Vic]

Ah yes, I forgot that McCain is against restoring the same GI benefits for Iraq War veterans which he received himself in his time. I think I mentioned it in another thread though.

So yeah, McCain the "War Hero" just doesn't fly here.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: mshan
He's basically advocating the fiscal equivalent of cutting back on government spending, but most people never get past their rabid Pavlovian response to an effective talking point.

Worst. Deflect. Attempt. Ever.

Barack is simply ignorant to the nth degree. Maybe in 30 years when he knows how the country functions will he be ready to be president, but this guy right now is an absolute train wreck.

This line of thinking from Obama isn't new but it seems to be gaining among the bleeding heart liberals who feel awfully guilty for the US having it's cake and eating it too.

There's so much in what he said that is just plain dumb.

1) Wow luxuries... what does he want, us to go back to living in mud huts?
2) Why do douche liberals care so much why the things we get with our HARD WORK ETHIC might make other nations jealous? If there's one thing htat bothers me about what he said it's this. This douchebag and every other douchebag liberal like him would no doubt give our sovernty away to anyone abroad who pretends to be our allies.

THis guy needs to be shown a landslide defeat because he will change our country all right, by making null and void the hard work we put into getting where we are.

Bush sounds like an idiot from his mannerisms but this guy is an idiot for his actual words.

You are simply ignorant to the nth degree. Maybe in 30 years you'll have a clue. Our having our cake and eating it while driving our SUV with the AC blasting has nothing to do with our superior work ethic or ingenuity. It has far more to do with our policies of military influence in resource-rich regions over the last several decades than it does 'our work ethic'. What are you saying after all - that brown people from other countries are lazy? That's why they have the problems they do?

Ignorance and ethnocentrism FTL. You fail.

 

[CPA]

personal freedom losses FTL.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: CPA
personal freedom losses FTL.

Where are we losing personal freedoms? I like how this quote is mutating in the minds of the far right wingers. Obama goes from saying that it's unrealistic to think that we will be able to keep up this disparity in resource consumption and so we should look at it, and now we're losing personal freedoms because Commissar Obama is taking them away.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: CPA
personal freedom losses FTL.

Above post = total irrelevance FTL. :thumbsdown:

 

[SSSnail]

Oh hey, while we're at it, let's bring back the horse buggies and learn to farm for our own foods. What was I thinking? I mean, why can't we strive to be more like East Timor, or some other hapless third world countries? You mean we aren't there yet?

Let's see the Senator's eating and driving habits yeah? I bet you he eats very little, and drives around in a fuel efficient vehicle, and his lovely wife too.