Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: RichardE
It is pretty obvious what will happen if people are not told what to do. The last few presidents have been in pretty decent shape and that has not stopped obesity. Your "lead by example and people will follow" is a fatally flawed argument.
Did I need the gov't to tell me to use resources wisely and respect nature? Nope.... no I didn't.
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Atreus21
We can eat as much as we want and do as we please because we have an economy that's strong enough to support us being wealthy, and therefore wasteful to some extent.
Also, living comfortably does not constitute overconsuming. There's nothing wrong with going to work, making money, and using that money to buy a strong enough air conditioner that you might keep your A/C at any temperature you please. If he keeps it too low, he'll pay more money for the electricity use, so it evens out.
A question I'd like to ask Obama on this statement is, "Why? Why should we consume less?"
That's why nobody overseas is willing to lend us anymore money on a corporate basis without broom poling our banks and credit companies for American's living outside their means.
I find it funny that people in this thread want nothing more than the succor of lollypop statements and sunshine blown up their asses all day by politicians who want to grab power, make us fearful, and keep us transitorily short-term happy to stay in control.
You guys are bought so cheaply we might as well put you in the streets with some makup so you can whore yourself out for real money instead of just votes.
Lend "us" money? Who is us?
Banks, who then lend it to businesses (large medium and small) and consumers who can afford it and are responsible.
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: RichardE
It is pretty obvious what will happen if people are not told what to do. The last few presidents have been in pretty decent shape and that has not stopped obesity. Your "lead by example and people will follow" is a fatally flawed argument.
Did I need the gov't to tell me to use resources wisely and respect nature? Nope.... no I didn't.
Obviously we do. Laisex-faire politics doesn't work.
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: Atreus21
We can eat as much as we want and do as we please because we have an economy that's strong enough to support us being wealthy, and therefore wasteful to some extent.
Also, living comfortably does not constitute overconsuming. There's nothing wrong with going to work, making money, and using that money to buy a strong enough air conditioner that you might keep your A/C at any temperature you please. If he keeps it too low, he'll pay more money for the electricity use, so it evens out.
A question I'd like to ask Obama on this statement is, "Why? Why should we consume less?"
The answer is because just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. I could flip everyone off as I walk by and I'd be well within my rights to do so, but I don't. It's called not being an self-centered asshole.
And by over-consuming, especially with something like electricity, the entire grid takes the burden of higher costs when people are using a lot of electricty. The electric company doesn't raise an individual's rates just because he runs his AC 24 hours a day starting June 1st until Labor Day, they would raise the going rate across the entire grid.
Originally posted by: Atreus21
What banks abroad don't lend us money because they're disgusted with us?
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: Atreus21
We can eat as much as we want and do as we please because we have an economy that's strong enough to support us being wealthy, and therefore wasteful to some extent.
Also, living comfortably does not constitute overconsuming. There's nothing wrong with going to work, making money, and using that money to buy a strong enough air conditioner that you might keep your A/C at any temperature you please. If he keeps it too low, he'll pay more money for the electricity use, so it evens out.
A question I'd like to ask Obama on this statement is, "Why? Why should we consume less?"
The answer is because just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. I could flip everyone off as I walk by and I'd be well within my rights to do so, but I don't. It's called not being an self-centered asshole.
And by over-consuming, especially with something like electricity, the entire grid takes the burden of higher costs when people are using a lot of electricty. The electric company doesn't raise an individual's rates just because he runs his AC 24 hours a day starting June 1st until Labor Day, they would raise the going rate across the entire grid.
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: Atreus21
We can eat as much as we want and do as we please because we have an economy that's strong enough to support us being wealthy, and therefore wasteful to some extent.
Also, living comfortably does not constitute overconsuming. There's nothing wrong with going to work, making money, and using that money to buy a strong enough air conditioner that you might keep your A/C at any temperature you please. If he keeps it too low, he'll pay more money for the electricity use, so it evens out.
A question I'd like to ask Obama on this statement is, "Why? Why should we consume less?"
The answer is because just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. I could flip everyone off as I walk by and I'd be well within my rights to do so, but I don't. It's called not being an self-centered asshole.
And by over-consuming, especially with something like electricity, the entire grid takes the burden of higher costs when people are using a lot of electricty. The electric company doesn't raise an individual's rates just because he runs his AC 24 hours a day starting June 1st until Labor Day, they would raise the going rate across the entire grid.
I'm guessing Obama's Mansion for four doesn't take a lot energy to heat or cool?
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: Atreus21
We can eat as much as we want and do as we please because we have an economy that's strong enough to support us being wealthy, and therefore wasteful to some extent.
Also, living comfortably does not constitute overconsuming. There's nothing wrong with going to work, making money, and using that money to buy a strong enough air conditioner that you might keep your A/C at any temperature you please. If he keeps it too low, he'll pay more money for the electricity use, so it evens out.
A question I'd like to ask Obama on this statement is, "Why? Why should we consume less?"
The answer is because just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. I could flip everyone off as I walk by and I'd be well within my rights to do so, but I don't. It's called not being an self-centered asshole.
And by over-consuming, especially with something like electricity, the entire grid takes the burden of higher costs when people are using a lot of electricty. The electric company doesn't raise an individual's rates just because he runs his AC 24 hours a day starting June 1st until Labor Day, they would raise the going rate across the entire grid.
I'm guessing Obama's Mansion for four doesn't take a lot energy to heat or cool?
So your reason for not lowering your own consumption is because someone else won't? That's pretty circular reasoning, especially when everyone uses that 'logic.'
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: RichardE
It is pretty obvious what will happen if people are not told what to do. The last few presidents have been in pretty decent shape and that has not stopped obesity. Your "lead by example and people will follow" is a fatally flawed argument.
Did I need the gov't to tell me to use resources wisely and respect nature? Nope.... no I didn't.
Obviously we do. Laisex-faire politics doesn't work.
Because they know what's better for us.... :roll:
Originally posted by: glenn1
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We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said.
"That's not leadership. That's not going to happen," he added.
Great strategy - tell voters how wrong they are for running the air conditioning and not going hungry. That will work wonders for winning over the middle class.
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: Atreus21
We can eat as much as we want and do as we please because we have an economy that's strong enough to support us being wealthy, and therefore wasteful to some extent.
Also, living comfortably does not constitute overconsuming. There's nothing wrong with going to work, making money, and using that money to buy a strong enough air conditioner that you might keep your A/C at any temperature you please. If he keeps it too low, he'll pay more money for the electricity use, so it evens out.
A question I'd like to ask Obama on this statement is, "Why? Why should we consume less?"
The answer is because just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. I could flip everyone off as I walk by and I'd be well within my rights to do so, but I don't. It's called not being an self-centered asshole.
And by over-consuming, especially with something like electricity, the entire grid takes the burden of higher costs when people are using a lot of electricty. The electric company doesn't raise an individual's rates just because he runs his AC 24 hours a day starting June 1st until Labor Day, they would raise the going rate across the entire grid.
I'm guessing Obama's Mansion for four doesn't take a lot energy to heat or cool?
So your reason for not lowering your own consumption is because someone else won't? That's pretty circular reasoning, especially when everyone uses that 'logic.'
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: Atreus21
We can eat as much as we want and do as we please because we have an economy that's strong enough to support us being wealthy, and therefore wasteful to some extent.
Also, living comfortably does not constitute overconsuming. There's nothing wrong with going to work, making money, and using that money to buy a strong enough air conditioner that you might keep your A/C at any temperature you please. If he keeps it too low, he'll pay more money for the electricity use, so it evens out.
A question I'd like to ask Obama on this statement is, "Why? Why should we consume less?"
The answer is because just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. I could flip everyone off as I walk by and I'd be well within my rights to do so, but I don't. It's called not being an self-centered asshole.
And by over-consuming, especially with something like electricity, the entire grid takes the burden of higher costs when people are using a lot of electricty. The electric company doesn't raise an individual's rates just because he runs his AC 24 hours a day starting June 1st until Labor Day, they would raise the going rate across the entire grid.
I'm guessing Obama's Mansion for four doesn't take a lot energy to heat or cool?
So your reason for not lowering your own consumption is because someone else won't? That's pretty circular reasoning, especially when everyone uses that 'logic.'
Are you asking that question to Obama? B/c I can't figure out why you would me that question from my prior statement. Since, I walk to work, heat my house at 63 and use fans instead of a/c; I'm just calling the kettle black.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think some of your Obama supporters misunderstand what is going to get him in trouble.
It's not the idea that we need to cut back on consumption, everyone agrees with that.
It is the "and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," part that will get him in trouble.
Right or wrong a lot of people are going to look at that part and ask "why should I care what other countries think" Also, he is essentially taking a swipe at our country and in presidential politics that does not win you votes.
A FAR better approach would have been to appeal to peoples patriotism by saying we can do better as a country. And that we should set the example that other countries follow.
Unfortunately, as shown by Rev Wright, his wife, Bill Ayers and his 'bitter' comment, Obama does not view America a place the rest of the world should look up too. Instead he sees it as a highly flawed country or as his wife says a "downright mean" country. This negative view of the country is going to cost him a lot of votes, just as John Kerry's post vietnam comments cost him a lot of votes as well.
Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
This thread is a gem. You can't criticize his position, so you either call him stupid or assume he's a hypocrite.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think some of your Obama supporters misunderstand what is going to get him in trouble.
It's not the idea that we need to cut back on consumption, everyone agrees with that.
It is the "and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," part that will get him in trouble.
Right or wrong a lot of people are going to look at that part and ask "why should I care what other countries think" Also, he is essentially taking a swipe at our country and in presidential politics that does not win you votes.
A FAR better approach would have been to appeal to peoples patriotism by saying we can do better as a country. And that we should set the example that other countries follow.
Unfortunately, as shown by Rev Wright, his wife, Bill Ayers and his 'bitter' comment, Obama does not view America a place the rest of the world should look up too. Instead he sees it as a highly flawed country or as his wife says a "downright mean" country. This negative view of the country is going to cost him a lot of votes, just as John Kerry's post vietnam comments cost him a lot of votes as well.
Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
This thread is a gem. You can't criticize his position, so you either call him stupid or assume he's a hypocrite.
His position is fucking idiotic. This is the greatest, richest, and most charitable nation in the world. If I want to stop by hooters tonight and get another dozen wings from a chick whose greatest contribution is a nice smile and well rounded rack, what I have done and 200 years of americans before me.
It maybe, but people don't want to hear that.Originally posted by: sandorski
It is highy flawed.Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think some of your Obama supporters misunderstand what is going to get him in trouble.
It's not the idea that we need to cut back on consumption, everyone agrees with that.
It is the "and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," part that will get him in trouble.
Right or wrong a lot of people are going to look at that part and ask "why should I care what other countries think" Also, he is essentially taking a swipe at our country and in presidential politics that does not win you votes.
A FAR better approach would have been to appeal to peoples patriotism by saying we can do better as a country. And that we should set the example that other countries follow.
Unfortunately, as shown by Rev Wright, his wife, Bill Ayers and his 'bitter' comment, Obama does not view America a place the rest of the world should look up too. Instead he sees it as a highly flawed country or as his wife says a "downright mean" country. This negative view of the country is going to cost him a lot of votes, just as John Kerry's post vietnam comments cost him a lot of votes as well.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think some of your Obama supporters misunderstand what is going to get him in trouble.
It's not the idea that we need to cut back on consumption, everyone agrees with that.
It is the "and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," part that will get him in trouble.
Right or wrong a lot of people are going to look at that part and ask "why should I care what other countries think" Also, he is essentially taking a swipe at our country and in presidential politics that does not win you votes.
A FAR better approach would have been to appeal to peoples patriotism by saying we can do better as a country. And that we should set the example that other countries follow.
Unfortunately, as shown by Rev Wright, his wife, Bill Ayers and his 'bitter' comment, Obama does not view America a place the rest of the world should look up too. Instead he sees it as a highly flawed country or as his wife says a "downright mean" country. This negative view of the country is going to cost him a lot of votes, just as John Kerry's post vietnam comments cost him a lot of votes as well.
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
What's a bigger irony here is that a self professed libertarian thinks the gov't should be telling us how to live. But then again... well nevermind.
I don't have a problem with Conservation. I myself am as big of a tree-hugger(not literally) Conservative as you'll find but that doesn't mean I buy all the enviro-whacko BS or support the gov't telling people to put on a sweater. I think people who wish to push conservation should do so by example not command it from on high. But that's just libertarian part of my Conservative nature...
More knee-jerking and denial of current political realities from you. And no one with an ounce of libertarianism in them would support GW Bush as you have done, so you'll pardon me while I blow off your bullshit.
Plus, I didn't see where Obama proposed having govt tell us how we should live. But that's a pretty straw man for you, isn't it? What he did do is suggest that such a lifestyle should be held in high regard among us, in part because it isn't in the rest of the world.
edit: BTW, the little thingie only makes you look stupid and obstinate.
Likewise I'll continue to blow off your bull shit because no one with an ounce of libertarian in them would support Obama as you are doing.
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Atreus21
We can eat as much as we want and do as we please because we have an economy that's strong enough to support us being wealthy, and therefore wasteful to some extent.
Also, living comfortably does not constitute overconsuming. There's nothing wrong with going to work, making money, and using that money to buy a strong enough air conditioner that you might keep your A/C at any temperature you please. If he keeps it too low, he'll pay more money for the electricity use, so it evens out.
A question I'd like to ask Obama on this statement is, "Why? Why should we consume less?"
That's why nobody overseas is willing to lend us anymore money on a corporate basis without broom poling our banks and credit companies for American's living outside their means.
I find it funny that people in this thread want nothing more than the succor of lollypop statements and sunshine blown up their asses all day by politicians who want to grab power, make us fearful, and keep us transitorily short-term happy to stay in control.
You guys are bought so cheaply we might as well put you in the streets with some makup so you can whore yourself out for real money instead of just votes.
Lend "us" money? Who is us?
Banks, who then lend it to businesses (large medium and small) and consumers who can afford it and are responsible.
What banks abroad don't lend us money because they're disgusted with us?
Originally posted by: lupi
His position is fucking idiotic. This is the greatest, richest, and most charitable nation in the world. If I want to stop by hooters tonight and get another dozen wings from a chick whose greatest contribution is a nice smile and well rounded rack, what I have done and 200 years of americans before me is to provide that ability.
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: RichardE
It is pretty obvious what will happen if people are not told what to do. The last few presidents have been in pretty decent shape and that has not stopped obesity. Your "lead by example and people will follow" is a fatally flawed argument.
Did I need the gov't to tell me to use resources wisely and respect nature? Nope.... no I didn't.
Obviously we do. Laisex-faire politics doesn't work.
Because they know what's better for us.... :roll: