...Because the total cost of health care would end up decreasing. People's total out-of-pocket health care costs would be much less as a result of eliminating the inefficiency of insurance companies, private hospitals, and all of the other expensive junk associated with our current health care system.
Let's compare the U.S. health care system with evil socialist systems:
U.S. Health Care system:
- 17% of GDP
- Tens of millions of uninsured and under-insured Americans
- Hundreds of thousands of medical-cost-induced bankruptcies every year.
- A terrified populace.
- Businesses and an economy burdened by health insurance costs and concerns
- Wealthy hospital and insurance company executives.
- A thriving yacht industry (for those wealthy executives).
Evil Evil Socialized Medicine:
- 12% or less of GDP
- 100% full coverage
- Zero medical cost induced bankruptcies
- A contented populace that isn't terrified by health care cost issues.
- Businesses and an economy unburdened by health insurance costs and concerns.
- Far fewer wealthy hospital and insurance company executives (oh, the horror!)
- An emaciated yacht industry (oh the horror!)
So you think all those people working in hospitals should work for free?
Try looking up the profit margins in the health care industry, then come back and explain how profits are the driving factor for the cost of health care.
Profits aren't the driving factor. It's the payroll for simple rolls in the hospital. I know it's lives they are saving, but do you really think that medical jobs should be getting easily 3-figures from the start?
Oh, so now when things are turning into sh1t, it is becoming "Republican" this and that. Do tell how many Republicans voted for ACA? Do tell.
The mandate made its political début in a 1989 Heritage Foundation brief titled “Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans,” as a counterpoint to the single-payer system and the employer mandate, which were favored in Democratic circles. [...] The mandate made its first legislative appearance in 1993, in the Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act—the Republicans’ alternative to President Clinton’s health-reform bill—which was sponsored by John Chafee, of Rhode Island, and co-sponsored by eighteen Republicans, including Bob Dole, who was then the Senate Minority Leader
Go back to the time of the Clinton Administration when the concern was that the Democrats might try to implement socialized medicine. The Republicans came up with the idea of mandating health insurance (in order to save the insurance companies and to serve the interests of the top 5%) and backed it for several years. The idea originated from the conservative think tank, The Heritage Foundation.
Do tell how many Republicans voted for ACA? Do tell.
Well sure the US Government will drive down costs. Look what it has done to public education. We spend more per student than any other nation and rank 21st in quality of education. Surely things will go better this time as the medical industry has to be less complicated than education right?
You "forgot" to answer my previous question so I will show it again.
Go back to the time of the Clinton Administration when the concern was that the Democrats might try to implement socialized medicine. The Republicans came up with the idea of mandating health insurance (in order to save the insurance companies and to serve the interests of the top 5%) and backed it for several years. The idea originated from the conservative think tank, The Heritage Foundation.
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It sounds as though you're saying is that problem is not that socialized medicine is a bad model, but rather that the problem is that our government is ineffective at most of the things it does. Obviously, fixing our government is going to be an important component to fixing health care.
Sadly, doing nothing or implementing free market medicine will either fail to fix the problems or exacerbate them. (If you think we have private health insurance company death panels now, just wait until we have health care under laissez-faire capitalism.)
I never said they voted for it. However, it is their plan. They only opposed it because the Democrats were supporting it. If the Democrats had been supporting Hillary Care instead of Obamacare, then the Republicans would have been out there supporting their version of Obamacare.
Although the Republicans may appear to oppose it on the surface, behind the scenes they know that they have succeeded in removing the prospect of real socialized medicine from the debate and having their alternative implemented.
Thus, the Republicans have near total ownership of our nation's health care mess.
Also, if the Republicans support the status-quo pre-Obamacare ("Don't get sick, and if you get sick, die quickly"), it is essentially the same thing as supporting Obamacare because Obamacare is not a health care system. Relative to the grand scale of our health care system, Obamacare is a small tweak.
Seriously? A terrified populace? Businesses and an economy unburdened by health insurance costs? News flash, dude - just because government provides it don't make it free. There's a reason such socialist utopias have such high tax burdens....Because the total cost of health care would end up decreasing. People's total out-of-pocket health care costs would be much less as a result of eliminating the inefficiency of insurance companies, private hospitals, and all of the other expensive junk associated with our current health care system.
Let's compare the U.S. health care system with evil socialist systems:
U.S. Health Care system:
- 17% of GDP
- Tens of millions of uninsured and under-insured Americans
- Hundreds of thousands of medical-cost-induced bankruptcies every year.
- A terrified populace.
- Businesses and an economy burdened by health insurance costs and concerns
- Wealthy hospital and insurance company executives.
- A thriving yacht industry (for those wealthy executives).
Evil Evil Socialized Medicine:
- 12% or less of GDP
- 100% full coverage
- Zero medical cost induced bankruptcies
- A contented populace that isn't terrified by health care cost issues.
- Businesses and an economy unburdened by health insurance costs and concerns.
- Far fewer wealthy hospital and insurance company executives (oh, the horror!)
- An emaciated yacht industry (oh the horror!)
Seriously? A terrified populace? Businesses and an economy unburdened by health insurance costs? News flash, dude - just because government provides it don't make it free. There's a reason such socialist utopias have such high tax burdens.
That is the Republicans' master stroke. In the Democrats act of trying to improve the health care system, they implemented the Republicans alternative to socialized medicine and now it looks like it was the Democrats idea.This is in no wise a Republican plan, being drafted behind closed doors and voted in exclusively by Democrats, against bipartisan opposition.
Funny how you guys never said Democrats owned the Iraq war fiasco because some Democrats did vote for it. It was always Bush. So now man up and accept it.
What about the 5 million people that have had their policies canceled vs. the 106,000 that are enrolled? With the website hit counter being millions and millions it sounds like they did try and take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY but your messiah Obama fucked them in the ass. Obamacare was supposed to get insurance to those uninsured, not kick those with insurance to the curb. Understand why people are calling this a failure?
I wasn't fooled. Many run-of-the-mill Democrats will mistakenly believe that Obamacare is a solution to our nation's health care problems while failing to realize that it's really just a Republican health care plan that perpetuates the same private insurance company, private hospital train wreck of a system we had before.
It's a shame that the Democrats either do not support real socialized medicine and/or do not have the balls to come out and advocate for it and explain why Obamacare is not a real solution to our nation's health care problems.
The people who are having their plans cancelled typically have their plans cancelled yearly and this was the standard, way before the ACA passed.
Your post wreaks of talking points and highlights your lack of understanding of what the ACA is and how it works.
It is when Obamacare's main objective is to sign up the uninsured. Or have you forgotten that?Hint: sign ups through the health care exchange isn't the only measure of the ACA's success nor is it the only thing the ACA does.
The healthcare exchange is a place where a minority of US citizens who are not covered by their employers or who aren't on government care can go to sign up for privatized insurance.
The people who are having their plans cancelled typically have their plans cancelled yearly and this was the standard, way before the ACA passed.
Why don't you look up and see if Massachusetts "Romney care" is working, after you find the answer to that, research how long it took for the system to get up to full speed. When you have those answers then tell me the population difference between the federal plan and the state plan.
But the Democrats never supported a war in Iraq prior to Bush's coming onto the scene and suggesting. It's not as though the Democrats advocated an Iraqi invasion for years and that Bush just adopted the idea as a compromise when he really wanted to nuke them.
Talking points:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/11/21/us/politics/21republican-talking-points.html?_r=0
You guys are tools and nothing but unpaid parrots, we call them whores where I'm from.
Talking points:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/11/21/us/politics/21republican-talking-points.html?_r=0
You guys are tools and nothing but unpaid parrots, we call them whores where I'm from.
You mean like is being reported on all the networks how people are getting kicked off their insurance, they are losing their doctors, their premiums are not going down and the President lied his ass off? Seems almost all the networks are just parroting those Republican talking points.
...But the thing is...we have concrete examples...numerous concrete examples...of government-run health care systems in other countries that are more efficient and less expensive where the citizenry gets more health care for less expenditure. (They also have zero medical cost induced bankrupticies and economies and businesses that aren't burdened by health insurance costs and concerns.)
I never said they voted for it. However, it is their plan. They only opposed it because the Democrats were supporting it. If the Democrats had been supporting Hillary Care instead of Obamacare, then the Republicans would have been out there supporting their version of Obamacare.
Although the Republicans may appear to oppose it on the surface, behind the scenes they know that they have succeeded in removing the prospect of real socialized medicine from the debate and having their alternative implemented.
Thus, the Republicans have near total ownership of our nation's health care mess.
Also, if the Republicans support the status-quo pre-Obamacare ("Don't get sick, and if you get sick, die quickly"), it is essentially the same thing as supporting Obamacare because Obamacare is not a health care system. Relative to the grand scale of our health care system, Obamacare is a small tweak.
It sounds as though you're saying is that problem is not that socialized medicine is a bad model, but rather that the problem is that our government is ineffective at most of the things it does. Obviously, fixing our government is going to be an important component to fixing health care.
...Because the total cost of health care would end up decreasing. People's total out-of-pocket health care costs would be much less as a result of eliminating the inefficiency of insurance companies, private hospitals, and all of the other expensive junk associated with our current health care system.
Yes and how a majority of those stories are fact checked and turn out to be totally bogus. Yes, talking points.
It's ok, getting duped by propaganda is common and it happens to people all over the political spectrum.
I just point it out to you in hope that you don't wish to be a mindless parrot.