ObamaCare success... Not!

[rudeguy]

It's both. The federal government granting the state money for the program, and the program being at fault makes it just as equally a federal problem when it no longer works in a state.

If states could turn down medicaid patients, then you can say it's a state problem.

gotcha

I never understood the way that system works. Thanks!

 

[rudeguy]

In other news, Hillary is watching her future presidency being pissed away. I wonder why Bill Clinton was expressing himself being a wee bit upset?

I see Bubba and Barry trading nuckles real soon.

 

[BoberFett]

My sister had a health "episode" while shopping last month.
No healthcare.
Husband had died last January sudden death. 63 years old.
Employer dropped her insurance because he had died, naturally.

So she was in the ICU after her health episode for 1 week.
Outcome was stated as "grim".
Well... prayer and hope, and she came out of it.
No longterm damage.
Still unknown if ti was a stroke, seizure, or what?
Doctors never found the cause.

So she gets her medical bill this week. $86,000 ICU 1-week NOT including doctor charges (still unknown).
So, this hospital this letter comes, wants to know her asset availability for liquidation.
Her financial situation.
Property values (car, house).

Welcome to healthcare 2013.
Obamacare is not the problem.
Healthcare for profit as usual is the problem.
Obamacare is not the save all, yet, but it is a shot in the right direction.
There are no alternatives, other than more and more of insurance for profit rape.


PS.
Just buy you're damn insurance and stop crying.
It is called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
.
.
.

So you think all those people working in hospitals should work for free?

Try looking up the profit margins in the health care industry, then come back and explain how profits are the driving factor for the cost of health care.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I see Bubba and Barry trading nuckles real soon.

I'm wondering how long his games of "taksie baksie's" is going to work. The amount of "No! no! I didn't really mean it! You can take your healthcare back I'll stop it for a year!" We have seen is astronomical.

No other president has done that. Either they sit there and take it or own up to their mistakes - but none that I am aware of simply make a quick speech saying "No guys, it's ok! We can delay it a year!" Talk about kicking cans down the road and not accomplishing anything. Great bipartisanship.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

So you think all those people working in hospitals should work for free?

Try looking up the profit margins in the health care industry, then come back and explain how profits are the driving factor for the cost of health care.

Profits aren't the driving factor. It's the payroll for simple rolls in the hospital. I know it's lives they are saving, but do you really think that medical jobs should be getting easily 3-figures from the start?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist how to operate machinery, but damn if you take a look at any that do anything involving any machinery - they are making 6 figures from the start, and likely $150-250k. Do you think the person that presses the buttons on the MRI machine should be making that much off the bat? Or do you think the person that BUILDS and REPAIRS those machines (and understands everything about them) should be making that much?

 

[davmat787]

PS.
Just buy you're damn insurance and stop crying.
It is called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
.
.
.

No, it is personal responsibility to buy insurance before federal law dictates that you do so, and penalizes you if you do not. Why didn't your sister in your little personal antidote practice personal responsibility and buy health insurance?

 

[rudeguy]

I'm wondering how long his games of "taksie baksie's" is going to work. The amount of "No! no! I didn't really mean it! You can take your healthcare back I'll stop it for a year!" We have seen is astronomical.

No other president has done that. Either they sit there and take it or own up to their mistakes - but none that I am aware of simply make a quick speech saying "No guys, it's ok! We can delay it a year!" Talk about kicking cans down the road and not accomplishing anything. Great bipartisanship.

and the public loves him for it. I just don't get it.

What happens next year? What happens when all of those waivers expire? What happens when no one can afford insurance, including companies?

If its not ok now and they don't plan to change it, why is it going to be ok next year?

And while I am complaining, how many days do we have before the current CR expires and we don't have another budget? How long before we hit the debt ceiling again? How long before our debt is finally so huge that we finally admit we can't pay it all back?

Not just Obama, not just the dems, all of Washington has us on a path without many forks. If they keep going the way they are, we will be in Mad Max time before anyone knows what happened. "I've got $5M in the stock market, thanks Obama!" Great, its not worth shit when no one will take our money. And good luck even buying dog food for granny to eat because money will be worthless for that too.

Its not that far off...just keep kicking that can you assholes.

 

[boomerang]

How long before enough people decide they're mad as hell and they're not going to take this anymore? More than likely, never. Too many on the public dole - by design. We're being fundamentally transformed.

Got Blood Pressure Meds Handy? You'll Need 'Em For This.

 

[BoberFett]

Not just Obama, not just the dems, all of Washington has us on a path without many forks. If they keep going the way they are, we will be in Mad Max time before anyone knows what happened. "I've got $5M in the stock market, thanks Obama!" Great, its not worth shit when no one will take our money. And good luck even buying dog food for granny to eat because money will be worthless for that too.

Its not that far off...just keep kicking that can you assholes.

Fortunately we have no shortage of food in the US, but our ability to buy most consumer goods is going to flatline.

 

[rudeguy]

Fortunately we have no shortage of food in the US, but our ability to buy most consumer goods is going to flatline.

Yea..I know I am blowing it out of proportion but its not really that far of a stretch. We need to start fixing this now before its in full out crisis mode.

I don't want to have to tell my son he should be ok for the next 35 years but after that I'm not sure. I want his future to be bright.

 

[nanette1985]

No, it is personal responsibility to buy insurance before federal law dictates that you do so, and penalizes you if you do not. Why didn't your sister in your little personal antidote practice personal responsibility and buy health insurance?

You tell me what possible job a widowed 60 yr old (estimate) female could get that would pay her enough to afford the kind of health insurance that would cover that kind of situation.

Welcome to the real world.

 

[Matt1970]

My sister had a health "episode" while shopping last month.
No healthcare.
Husband had died last January sudden death. 63 years old.
Employer dropped her insurance because he had died, naturally.

So she was in the ICU after her health episode for 1 week.
Outcome was stated as "grim".
Well... prayer and hope, and she came out of it.
No longterm damage.
Still unknown if ti was a stroke, seizure, or what?
Doctors never found the cause.

So she gets her medical bill this week. $86,000 ICU 1-week NOT including doctor charges (still unknown).
So, this hospital this letter comes, wants to know her asset availability for liquidation.
Her financial situation.
Property values (car, house).

Welcome to healthcare 2013.
Obamacare is not the problem.
Healthcare for profit as usual is the problem.
Obamacare is not the save all, yet, but it is a shot in the right direction.
There are no alternatives, other than more and more of insurance for profit rape.


PS.
Just buy you're damn insurance and stop crying.
It is called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
.
.
.

What about the 5 million people that have had their policies canceled vs. the 106,000 that are enrolled? With the website hit counter being millions and millions it sounds like they did try and take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY but your messiah Obama fucked them in the ass. Obamacare was supposed to get insurance to those uninsured, not kick those with insurance to the curb. Understand why people are calling this a failure?

 

[BoberFett]

You tell me what possible job a widowed 60 yr old (estimate) female could get that would pay her enough to afford the kind of health insurance that would cover that kind of situation.

Welcome to the real world.

Isn't that exactly what Obamacare just forced you to do? Pay up or else!

 

[pcgeek11]

hey...don't interupt his awesome story with facts.

Oops!

 

[pcgeek11]

What part isn't legal?

They cannot liquidate your assets and toss you into the street for a medical bill.

She does however need to take responsibility and discuss this with the Hospital.

You tell me what possible job a widowed 60 yr old (estimate) female could get that would pay her enough to afford the kind of health insurance that would cover that kind of situation.

The job she could get totally depends on her skill set. I know some women that are around 60 and have excellent jobs as set up mechanics in a machining center. So don't say it isn't possible.

Welcome to the real world. Don't cut women short.

 

[Slew Foot]

Well this is awesome, Ive been in meetings this week with hospitals and physicians groups in the neighboring counties, of the roughly 150 primary care docs represented, 0 are planning on accepting covered.ca insurance. So you can buy a crappy expensive insurance plan, but you cant use it anywhere, have fun.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

Just like car insurance?
Or home owners insurance?
OMG... I just let the cat out of the bag.
Bad me.

i never noticed this dudes icon, that phucken axe funnie

 

[DesiPower]

Well this is awesome, Ive been in meetings this week with hospitals and physicians groups in the neighboring counties, of the roughly 150 primary care docs represented, 0 are planning on accepting covered.ca insurance. So you can buy a crappy expensive insurance plan, but you cant use it anywhere, have fun.

covered.ca, Is that part of Obama care?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Looks like she was fooled. I also think a lot more will end up wanting to eat their words before it is all over. She wrote Obama saying how great it was as she hasn't had Insurance for 15 years because she could not afford it. Guess what? She still can't.

I wasn't fooled. Many run-of-the-mill Democrats will mistakenly believe that Obamacare is a solution to our nation's health care problems while failing to realize that it's really just a Republican health care plan that perpetuates the same private insurance company, private hospital train wreck of a system we had before.

It's a shame that the Democrats either do not support real socialized medicine and/or do not have the balls to come out and advocate for it and explain why Obamacare is not a real solution to our nation's health care problems.

 

[Svnla]

I wasn't fooled. Many run-of-the-mill Democrats will mistakenly believe that Obamacare is a solution to our nation's health care problems while failing to realize that it's really just a Republican health care plan that perpetuates the same private insurance company, private hospital train wreck of a system we had before.

It's a shame that the Democrats either do not support real socialized medicine and/or do not have the balls to come out and advocate for it and explain why Obamacare is not a real solution to our nation's health care problems.

Oh, so now when things are turning into sh1t, it is becoming "Republican" this and that. Do tell how many Republicans voted for ACA? Do tell.

I can see it now, very soon, it will be "Bushcare" and how he screwed up the US again. ROTFLMAO. Must. Stop.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Obviously the government is the answer to healthcare. They've done such a tremendous job with the ACA implementation, I can't imagine NOT giving them COMPLETE control of the healthcare system.

...But the thing is...we have concrete examples...numerous concrete examples...of government-run health care systems in other countries that are more efficient and less expensive where the citizenry gets more health care for less expenditure. (They also have zero medical cost induced bankrupticies and economies and businesses that aren't burdened by health insurance costs and concerns.)

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Reality is starting to hit the fan. I hate to see so many people get screwed over by this horrible legislation. Repeal is inevitable as negative public opinion escalates. I hope we have some very competent people working on an exit strategy.

...And when Obamacare is repealed the new (old) alternative will be?

Don't get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly?

Sadly, repealing Obamacare won't solve our nation's health care problems.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

You are correct. Prior to the implementation of Obamacare, surveys showed that more than 80% of the population liked their health care. The commonly cited issue, increasing costs, was not addressed by ACA. And what have we gotten so far?

Was this the 80% of people who didn't need to use the health care system or anything significant?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

If people can't afford ACA insurance, how will they be able to afford the increases in income and other taxes required to fund a single payer system?

...Because the total cost of health care would end up decreasing. People's total out-of-pocket health care costs would be much less as a result of eliminating the inefficiency of insurance companies, private hospitals, and all of the other expensive junk associated with our current health care system.

Let's compare the U.S. health care system with evil socialist systems:

U.S. Health Care system:

• 17% of GDP
• Tens of millions of uninsured and under-insured Americans
• Hundreds of thousands of medical-cost-induced bankruptcies every year.
• A terrified populace.
• Businesses and an economy burdened by health insurance costs and concerns
• Wealthy hospital and insurance company executives.
• A thriving yacht industry (for those wealthy executives).

Evil Evil Socialized Medicine:

• 12% or less of GDP
• 100% full coverage
• Zero medical cost induced bankruptcies
• A contented populace that isn't terrified by health care cost issues.
• Businesses and an economy unburdened by health insurance costs and concerns.
• Far fewer wealthy hospital and insurance company executives (oh, the horror!)
• An emaciated yacht industry (oh the horror!)

 

[Matt1970]

Oh, so now when things are turning into sh1t, it is becoming "Republican" this and that. Do tell how many Republicans voted for ACA? Do tell.

I can see it now, very soon, it will be "Bushcare" and how he screwed up the US again. ROTFLMAO. Must. Stop.

That is going to be one of their two go-to excuses.

1. It's really a Republican plan.
2. It failed because Republicans refused to help fix it.