Obamarama affecting the muslim world?

[JohnOfSheffield]

Well, you made them spread, they are in every single village of Afghanistan and Iraq... try rooting them out now you stupid stupid stupid arse morons.

THEY WERE CONTAINED and you let them go... For a war that gave what? MORE instability, NO WMD's, NO nuclear program (can you hear this Blair) NO fucking nothing.

That's what happens when you have politicians run a war.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
America spent 50 years fighting communists and radical Muslims and then a truly lost generation of Americans voted one into office.

The saddest/funniest thing about this little racist statement is that Mr. Obama is one of the most devout Christian men to ever assume the U.S. presidency.

He might be, but seems to have very little moral fiber. He spent years being a "devout Christian" but turned his back on them once there were questions about his church.

What a laugh riot. Please tell me where he has turned his back on his beliefs.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
America spent 50 years fighting communists and radical Muslims and then a truly lost generation of Americans voted one into office.

The saddest/funniest thing about this little racist statement is that Mr. Obama is one of the most devout Christian men to ever assume the U.S. presidency.

He might be, but seems to have very little moral fiber. He spent years being a "devout Christian" but turned his back on them once there were questions about his church.

What a laugh riot. Please tell me where he has turned his back on his beliefs.

I'm one who hoped he has, it would be fucking refreshing not being in "Gods told war" as GW told it.

 

[BarrySotero]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
America spent 50 years fighting communists and radical Muslims and then a truly lost generation of Americans voted one into office.

The saddest/funniest thing about this little racist statement is that Mr. Obama is one of the most devout Christian men to ever assume the U.S. presidency.

The above is an absolutely correct statement. Obama is not remotely Christian in any normal sense. The Jesus preached at the Trinity Church was a black Jesus who was sent to free black people from white oppression.

Rev Wright said he followed the "theology" of James Cone who said:

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."



All liberation theologies are just Marxism in disguise. A spiritual Jesus who came to help sinners is replaced by a political Jesus who saved lower classes from upper classes, blacks from whites etc. It's all garbage from a genuine Christian perspective.

It's the joke of the decade that people think Obama is a Christian when he just a liberation Neo-Marxist with a chip on his shoulder for white people and America. Of course he knew what Rev Wright was about and Bill Ayers (preached white oppression) and Van Jones (another cry baby about white supremacy) and Mark Lloyd and Khalid Al-Mansour (Saudi adviser who got Obama into Harvard and said Christians deserve to have their noses cut off).

As Asia Times wrote:

"Senator Barack Obama is not a Muslim, contrary to invidious rumors. But he belongs to a Christian church whose doctrine casts Jesus Christ as a "black messiah" and blacks as "the chosen people". At best, this is a radically different kind of Christianity than most Americans acknowledge; at worst it is an ethnocentric heresy. "


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JC18Aa01.html


Obama's radicalism is undeniable to anyone with half a brain. He was obviously a radical before election and now every week another radical weirdo pops up in his administration (Jones, Sunstein, Loyd, etc). Obama is a disaster for US and only thing he is devout about is his anti-US communist leanings. He is the Chavez of US except much worse. Anyone who can't see it yet has real issues.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
America spent 50 years fighting communists and radical Muslims and then a truly lost generation of Americans voted one into office.

The saddest/funniest thing about this little racist statement is that Mr. Obama is one of the most devout Christian men to ever assume the U.S. presidency.

The above is an absolutely correct statement. Obama is not remotely Christian in any normal sense. The Jesus preached at the Trinity Church was a black Jesus who was sent to free black people from white oppression.

Rev Wright said he followed the "theology" of James Cone who said:

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."



All liberation theologies are just Marxism in disguise. A spiritual Jesus who came to help sinners is replaced by a political Jesus who saved lower classes from upper classes, blacks from whites etc. It's all garbage from a genuine Christian perspective.

It's the joke of the decade that people think Obama is a Christian when he just a liberation Neo-Marxist with a chip on his shoulder for white people and America. Of course he knew what Rev Wright was about and Bill Ayers (preached white oppression) and Van Jones (another cry baby about white supremacy) and Mark Lloyd and Khalid Al-Mansour (Saudi adviser who got Obama into Harvard and said Christians deserve to have their noses cut off).

As Asia Times wrote:

"Senator Barack Obama is not a Muslim, contrary to invidious rumors. But he belongs to a Christian church whose doctrine casts Jesus Christ as a "black messiah" and blacks as "the chosen people". At best, this is a radically different kind of Christianity than most Americans acknowledge; at worst it is an ethnocentric heresy. "


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JC18Aa01.html


Obama's radicalism is undeniable to anyone with half a brain. He was obviously a radical before election and now every week another radical weirdo pops up in his administration (Jones, Sunstein, Loyd, etc). Obama is a disaster for US and only thing he is devout about is his anti-US communist leanings. He is the Chavez of US except much worse. Anyone who can't see it yet has real issues.

You could call that many things, but "Marxism in disguise" is just totally stupid.

 

[KMFJD]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
America spent 50 years fighting communists and radical Muslims and then a truly lost generation of Americans voted one into office.

The saddest/funniest thing about this little racist statement is that Mr. Obama is one of the most devout Christian men to ever assume the U.S. presidency.

The above is an absolutely correct statement. Obama is not remotely Christian in any normal sense. The Jesus preached at the Trinity Church was a black Jesus who was sent to free black people from white oppression.

Rev Wright said he followed the "theology" of James Cone who said:

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."



All liberation theologies are just Marxism in disguise. A spiritual Jesus who came to help sinners is replaced by a political Jesus who saved lower classes from upper classes, blacks from whites etc. It's all garbage from a genuine Christian perspective.

It's the joke of the decade that people think Obama is a Christian when he just a liberation Neo-Marxist with a chip on his shoulder for white people and America. Of course he knew what Rev Wright was about and Bill Ayers (preached white oppression) and Van Jones (another cry baby about white supremacy) and Mark Lloyd and Khalid Al-Mansour (Saudi adviser who got Obama into Harvard and said Christians deserve to have their noses cut off).

As Asia Times wrote:

"Senator Barack Obama is not a Muslim, contrary to invidious rumors. But he belongs to a Christian church whose doctrine casts Jesus Christ as a "black messiah" and blacks as "the chosen people". At best, this is a radically different kind of Christianity than most Americans acknowledge; at worst it is an ethnocentric heresy. "


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JC18Aa01.html


Obama's radicalism is undeniable to anyone with half a brain. He was obviously a radical before election and now every week another radical weirdo pops up in his administration (Jones, Sunstein, Loyd, etc). Obama is a disaster for US and only thing he is devout about is his anti-US communist leanings. He is the Chavez of US except much worse. Anyone who can't see it yet has real issues.

You stupid fear mongering twit, why don't you bottle up all that rage inside of you and do something actually productive with it?

 

[BarrySotero]

Originally posted by: sandorski

You could call that many things, but "Marxism in disguise" is just totally stupid.

Your right if you mean the Marxist elements of liberation theology can hardly be called "disguised" if even Wiki gets it right.

"Liberation Theologians use political theory, primarily Marxism, to help understand how to combat poverty. Some elements of certain liberation theologies have been rejected by leaders of the hierarchy of the Catholic Church over the last 30 years.[1] At its inception, liberation theology was predominantly found in the Catholic Church after the Second Vatican Council. It is sometimes regarded as a form of Christian socialism"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

 

[BarrySotero]

Originally posted by: KMFJD

You stupid fear mongering twit, why don't you bottle up all that rage inside of you and do something actually productive with it?

If I was full of rage I would have voted for Obama since he draws that emotional type devoid of any sense and functioning from media programming.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

It's all facts easy to look up. Reality looks crazy to crazy people. The truth feels like hate to those that hate the truth.

You're totally right. Everyone here is telling you that you're insane, but you take that information and decide that it's not you that has mental problems, it's everyone else.

Reality does most certainly look crazy to crazy people. You should seriously consider therapy, you honestly sound delusional.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Originally posted by: sandorski

You could call that many things, but "Marxism in disguise" is just totally stupid.

Your right if you mean the Marxist elements of liberation theology can hardly be called "disguised" if even Wiki gets it right.

"Liberation Theologians use political theory, primarily Marxism, to help understand how to combat poverty. Some elements of certain liberation theologies have been rejected by leaders of the hierarchy of the Catholic Church over the last 30 years.[1] At its inception, liberation theology was predominantly found in the Catholic Church after the Second Vatican Council. It is sometimes regarded as a form of Christian socialism"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

You do know that just because you attend a particular church does not mean that you have to espouse all of their beliefs, right? Show me where Obama has used Black Liberation Theology as a guiding principle of his presidency.

On another note, since when is advocating for the poor something confined to Marxists? Those who call themselves Christian in any sense should realize that the issue was very important to Jesus himself. Tying the concept of social justice to Marxism and using it to stick Obama.... Have you no shame, BarrySotero? You seem to take any point, no matter how far-fetched and use it to impune Obama without looking at it in a bigger context (of sanity). He's a secret Muslim! He's a secret communist! He's a Christian! He attended a Black Church! He likes to help poor people! Oogahboogah!

You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency BarrySotero?

 

[nixium]

Originally posted by: loki8481

the oft-mentioned "stigma" of having 'Hussein' as a middle name, which neo-cons love to bring up.

when and where has a national neo-con figure brought this up?

I was primarily referring to the neocon public and members of this forum, but a brief google search reveals that some commentators have been throwing this about too:

http://www.breitbart.com/artic...V25VQ80&show_article=1

granted, I don't think Cunningham is a 'national' figure, but the likes of Limbaugh, Beck and others can't be far behind.

 

[nixium]

Originally posted by: brandonbull
I've come to learn that when the rest of the world is happy with the US, we are doing something wrong for the US.

How did you "come to learn" this?

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
...
The above is an absolutely correct statement. Obama is not remotely Christian in any normal sense. The Jesus preached at the Trinity Church was a black Jesus who was sent to free black people from white oppression.

Rev Wright said he followed the "theology" of James Cone who said:

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."
...

Cool. So there are not only multiple gods but there are multiple jesus's. Of course, each of the sects idolize the correct ones. All of the religious zealots from around the planet need to be confined to an area so they can have it out with each other. This would save the world from a lot of suffering. This could be the penultimate reality show. A true reality show with no acting. Think of the revenues it would generate.

 

[nixium]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
We really don't know if the pompous windbags of AQ have wound down their rhetoric because it's been a couple of days already and there's still no translation of OBL's speech. During his last speech in June he sure had plenty of insults for Obama and I highly doubt that OBL has suddenly seen the light in the few months since.

Well the Cairo visit happened in June.. so perhaps those few months have worked in the US favor.

Even if it's assumed, for argument's sake, that Obama is following the same policies in Iraq and Afghanistan as the Bush did, he's doing a much better job of keeping the non-involved parties of the muslim world happy. The US has a grouse with Afghanistan (rightly) and Iraq (not so rightly), and not with the Muslim world in general - and Obama's proceeding correctly on both fronts.

 

[BarrySotero]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
You seem to take any point, no matter how far-fetched and use it to impune Obama without looking at it in a bigger context (of sanity).

And you take any point - no matter how obvious it renders his radicalism - to excuse Obama in denial of the bigger context.

Obama steals wealth from legal owners and transfers it to his unions. He has long lamented the Constitution as an antique not up to par. He has long advocated transfer of wealth as social justice. Like the 100 proof racist Rev wright Obama resents America and trusting him with US security was idiotic. It's no surprise he attacks US intelligence and law enforcement while dropping charges vs terrorists and racists (the Black Panthers in Philly).

Jesus spoke words that apply to Obama "They speak my name but their hearts are far from me". Obama is a funky hater pretending to be an angel of light and he has a well practiced facade that works on liberals who need to be lied to as a matter of conditioning.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: nixium

Originally posted by: brandonbull
I've come to learn that when the rest of the world is happy with the US, we are doing something wrong for the US.

How did you "come to learn" this?

Do you think other countries have our best interests in mind? Fuck no. They are trying to give us the high hard one just like we are trying to give it to them.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: nixium

Originally posted by: brandonbull
I've come to learn that when the rest of the world is happy with the US, we are doing something wrong for the US.

How did you "come to learn" this?

Do you think other countries have our best interests in mind? Fuck no. They are trying to give us the high hard one just like we are trying to give it to them.

That assumes that our interests are mutually exclusive, which is most certainly not the case.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
You seem to take any point, no matter how far-fetched and use it to impune Obama without looking at it in a bigger context (of sanity).

And you take any point - no matter how obvious it renders his radicalism - to excuse Obama in denial of the bigger context.

Obama steals wealth from legal owners and transfers it to his unions. He has long lamented the Constitution as an antique not up to par. He has long advocated transfer of wealth as social justice. Like the 100 proof racist Rev wright Obama resents America and trusting him with US security was idiotic. It's no surprise he attacks US intelligence and law enforcement while dropping charges vs terrorists and racists (the Black Panthers in Philly).

Jesus spoke words that apply to Obama "They speak my name but their hearts are far from me". Obama is a funky hater pretending to be an angel of light and he has a well practiced facade that works on liberals who need to be lied to as a matter of conditioning.

It isn't "obvious", but more along the lines of "doesn't amount to a hill of beans". Show me where Obama "stole" wealth, much less did so using illegal means. Just one example. The rest of your post reeks of partisan bull as it amounts to nothing other than "omgunions but but but Rev. Wright! and Black Panthers, oh my!". This is baseless and you know it.

As far as "they speak my name but their hearts are far from me", remind me again who often espouses "Vote for us, we're Christians!" as loud as they can. It isn't Obama nor his cohorts.

So again I say, have you no shame BarrySotero? Only the most blinded of us fail to see through you right about now...

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Reality looks crazy to crazy people. The truth feels like hate to those that hate the truth.

If the gloves don't fit, you must acquit. It's not the size of the boat it's the motion of the ocean. If the vans a rockin don't come a knockin.

I see the light.

 

[nixium]

Barry, stop thread crapping. Don't you have conservapedia articles to edit? The one on Obama especially; it's too complimentary.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
You seem to take any point, no matter how far-fetched and use it to impune Obama without looking at it in a bigger context (of sanity).

And you take any point - no matter how obvious it renders his radicalism - to excuse Obama in denial of the bigger context.

Obama steals wealth from legal owners and transfers it to his unions. He has long lamented the Constitution as an antique not up to par. He has long advocated transfer of wealth as social justice. Like the 100 proof racist Rev wright Obama resents America and trusting him with US security was idiotic. It's no surprise he attacks US intelligence and law enforcement while dropping charges vs terrorists and racists (the Black Panthers in Philly).

Jesus spoke words that apply to Obama "They speak my name but their hearts are far from me". Obama is a funky hater pretending to be an angel of light and he has a well practiced facade that works on liberals who need to be lied to as a matter of conditioning.

It isn't "obvious", but more along the lines of "doesn't amount to a hill of beans". Show me where Obama "stole" wealth, much less did so using illegal means. Just one example. The rest of your post reeks of partisan bull as it amounts to nothing other than "omgunions but but but Rev. Wright! and Black Panthers, oh my!". This is baseless and you know it.

As far as "they speak my name but their hearts are far from me", remind me again who often espouses "Vote for us, we're Christians!" as loud as they can. It isn't Obama nor his cohorts.

So again I say, have you no shame BarrySotero? Only the most blinded of us fail to see through you right about now...

He might be talking about the GM bankruptcy

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
You seem to take any point, no matter how far-fetched and use it to impune Obama without looking at it in a bigger context (of sanity).

And you take any point - no matter how obvious it renders his radicalism - to excuse Obama in denial of the bigger context.

Obama steals wealth from legal owners and transfers it to his unions. He has long lamented the Constitution as an antique not up to par. He has long advocated transfer of wealth as social justice. Like the 100 proof racist Rev wright Obama resents America and trusting him with US security was idiotic. It's no surprise he attacks US intelligence and law enforcement while dropping charges vs terrorists and racists (the Black Panthers in Philly).

Jesus spoke words that apply to Obama "They speak my name but their hearts are far from me". Obama is a funky hater pretending to be an angel of light and he has a well practiced facade that works on liberals who need to be lied to as a matter of conditioning.

It isn't "obvious", but more along the lines of "doesn't amount to a hill of beans". Show me where Obama "stole" wealth, much less did so using illegal means. Just one example. The rest of your post reeks of partisan bull as it amounts to nothing other than "omgunions but but but Rev. Wright! and Black Panthers, oh my!". This is baseless and you know it.

As far as "they speak my name but their hearts are far from me", remind me again who often espouses "Vote for us, we're Christians!" as loud as they can. It isn't Obama nor his cohorts.

So again I say, have you no shame BarrySotero? Only the most blinded of us fail to see through you right about now...

He might be talking about the GM bankruptcy

It would surprise me if he weren't talking about it. It still doesn't apply. There were many problems with GM's bankruptcy but nowhere to the point of what BarrySotero claims. Illegal means were most certainly not used. Unions are just another boogeyman that the far right uses to scare people into the same "omgsocialism!" trap. With people screaming so loudly with so much FUD about unions, it distracts and deligitimizes many of the legitimate problems that we do have with labor in this country. It is hard to take him (and people who post like him) seriously when he does this.

 

[BarrySotero]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
You seem to take any point, no matter how far-fetched and use it to impune Obama without looking at it in a bigger context (of sanity).

And you take any point - no matter how obvious it renders his radicalism - to excuse Obama in denial of the bigger context.

Obama steals wealth from legal owners and transfers it to his unions. He has long lamented the Constitution as an antique not up to par. He has long advocated transfer of wealth as social justice. Like the 100 proof racist Rev wright Obama resents America and trusting him with US security was idiotic. It's no surprise he attacks US intelligence and law enforcement while dropping charges vs terrorists and racists (the Black Panthers in Philly).

Jesus spoke words that apply to Obama "They speak my name but their hearts are far from me". Obama is a funky hater pretending to be an angel of light and he has a well practiced facade that works on liberals who need to be lied to as a matter of conditioning.

It isn't "obvious", but more along the lines of "doesn't amount to a hill of beans". Show me where Obama "stole" wealth, much less did so using illegal means. Just one example. The rest of your post reeks of partisan bull as it amounts to nothing other than "omgunions but but but Rev. Wright! and Black Panthers, oh my!". This is baseless and you know it.

As far as "they speak my name but their hearts are far from me", remind me again who often espouses "Vote for us, we're Christians!" as loud as they can. It isn't Obama nor his cohorts.

So again I say, have you no shame BarrySotero? Only the most blinded of us fail to see through you right about now...

In the Chrysler bankruptcy there were different groups of creditors/investors who had different rank for getting owed money paid back to them. Secured senior creditors where to be paid 100% of what they were owed before any junior creditors were paid.

The representatives for senior creditors (and remember these people are just teachers, cops, workers etc who invested via large funds they participated in) offered to settle with Obama's reps for 60% of what they were owed (40% less than what they were entitled to). Obama's people said they could only have 29%.

Obama slandered them on tv as selfish when they turned down the offer and "Car Czar" Steven Rattner told creditor reps the White house press corps would go after them if they made a fuss.

Then unions who were junior creditors (owed less than senior creditors) were given 50% of what was owed them as well as 10.6 billion for their health-care and ownership percentage of company. Obama & co mugged the senior creditors and gave money owed them to unions. They basically and got away with it since media and the GOP jellyfish didn't go after abuses despite recognizing them as the abuses they were.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Jesus spoke words that apply to Obama "They speak my name but their hearts are far from me". Obama is a funky hater pretending to be an angel of light and he has a well practiced facade that works on liberals who need to.....

YO YO BARRY, CHECK IT, CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING CRAZY AND ALL, IM REAL HAPPY FOR YOU AND IMMA LET YA FINISH BUT BUTTERBEAN IS THE CRAZIEST TROLL OF ALL TIME! OF ALL TIME!

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: nixium

Originally posted by: brandonbull
I've come to learn that when the rest of the world is happy with the US, we are doing something wrong for the US.

How did you "come to learn" this?

Do you think other countries have our best interests in mind? Fuck no. They are trying to give us the high hard one just like we are trying to give it to them.

Do you think the same way about your neighbours and the people on your street? You assume they're out to get you? I think there is a medical term for this.