40 quarters or 10 years worth of paying into the system is "all of a sudden"..........your logic and reading and comprehension skills are amazing....duh...Illegals that haven't been paying taxes here for years, and all of a sudden become eligible for these benefits are winning the lotto for breaking the law.
When exactly did they become Obamas Illegals to begin with just even looking at the thread name again.
*shrug*
President Obamas temporary amnesty, which lasts three years, declares up to 5 million illegal immigrants to be lawfully in the country and eligible for work permits, but it still deems them ineligible for public benefits such as buying insurance on Obamacares health exchanges.
Under the Affordable Care Act, that means businesses who hire them wont have to pay a penalty for not providing them health coverage making them $3,000 more attractive than a similar native-born worker, whom the business by law would have to cover.
Exactly what companies would hire these individuals, and for what jobs? Jose isn't going to take your job at Apple for a $3,000 loophole..... unless he's cutting the grass at the compound. Nobody is in line for that job, anyway.
First of all, you want illegals on the books because no one is going to deport them if they have kids born here, or they have employable useful skills.
No one otherwise is going to deport them. Not Mitt, not Christie, not Jeb Bush.
So lets get real here and cut through the fear and all the BS.
If illegals that qualify to stay and work here are going to be employed, then naturally they should also receive benefits.
When Obama stated they would not or could not get benefits as an employee, that sounded a little off to me, and a law suit in the making.
If any president should give illegals a path or opportunity to live, work, and stay here after fully legally qualifying to do so, you can not withhold the benefits of citizenship.
And anyone that has ever collected social security knows well that SS depends on your past income from employment over the previous 5 years.
So this free SS for illegals angle doesn't pass muster.
As far as healthcare, if you are legally employed why not also be able to buy healthcare?
If any president is going to create this path, with legally allowing employment, and they have all done it, you can't withhold the opportunity to purchase healthcare as well.
No one can stop or deter people from wanting to come here and live here.
And you can't deport them.
The one thing that could be done would be to hold anyone that employs an illegal accountable. That is the key.
But US business loves the cheap labor, the upper income love the cheap labor, no fence is going to stop that.
Take Walmart for example...
Long lines, over worked employees, they need help desperately.
Especially for the holidays.
Yet the only applicants looking for work at walmart are illegals and workers with work permits. They average American citizen doesn't want the jobs.
Walmart employers are very frustrated that all they applicants showing up and interviewing speak poor English or no English, and have no work experience.
Yet this is all Walmart has to work with.
Long lines, no help, a shortage of workers.
And that isn't just with walmart.
If it wasn't for these low wage illegals allowed to stay and work in America, we'd be in a pickle.
Who says we do not have enough jobs to go around?
And the jobs these low wage immigrants are taking, the average American citizen do not and will not work in the first place.
If you really want to see havoc in retail America, deny immigrants a path and employment opportunities. Then watch all hell break out.
Exactly what companies would hire these individuals, and for what jobs? Jose isn't going to take your job at Apple for a $3,000 loophole..... unless he's cutting the grass at the compound. Nobody is in line for that job, anyway.
what about all the millions of jobs below apple?
ahh your talking about jobs that Americans won`t do..what about all the millions of jobs below apple?
ahh your talking about jobs that Americans won`t do..
such as working in the fields picking lettuce.....etc,,,
ahh your talking about jobs that Americans won`t do..
such as working in the fields picking lettuce.....etc,,,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...1caefe-74d4-11e4-bd1b-03009bd3e984_story.html
Boom. Called it.
Break into the country get Medicare and social security for free. Talk about a great deal. More illegals should come, maybe Obama will let them stay too.
Up next, Obamacare for illegals.
Wouldn't we WANT illegals on Obamacare because at least then they would be paying something, even if its subsidized, for their medical care instead of just showing up in a hospital and paying nothing?
Wouldn't we WANT illegals on Obamacare because at least then they would be paying something, even if its subsidized, for their medical care instead of just showing up in a hospital and paying nothing?
oh look another liberal wanting to give more handouts to illegals.
When did the USA become so rich that we have all this extra money to pay for the retirement and healthcare of people that broke in and came illegally?
I guess the war on poverty has been won, no American is hungry or homeless, so that we have enough left over to give to outsiders.
Again, Michal, how do we round up all the illegals? Keep asking the question, keeps getting ducked.
So, you bitch about them stealing everything and they need to be rounded up and deported....so, if you bitch as much as you do about something, surely you must have some solution. Otherwise, you're just whining like a 2 year old.
oh look another liberal wanting to give more handouts to illegals.
When did the USA become so rich that we have all this extra money to pay for the retirement and healthcare of people that broke in and came illegally?
I guess the war on poverty has been won, no American is hungry or homeless, so that we have enough left over to give to outsiders.
1. I'm not a liberal and almost never even get accused of being one. I am simply realistic and intelligent.
2. They ALREADY get ABSOLUTELY FREE health care by just showing up in the hospital. That ALREADY raises your prices and my prices.
3. Them paying something is better than the nothing they are currently paying.
4. Neither party is really interested in getting rid of the illegals, so we can either continue what we are currently doing which is nothing or we can do something di
5. This isn't a left or right issue, it is a simple math issue.
0 - 10= -10
4 - 10= -6
Both numbers suck, from a monetary point, one sucks less than the other though. As you can see, I am not advocating more handouts for illegals at all, in fact I am advocating the complete opposite which is LESS handouts to illegals. If the math is too complicated for you I'd be happy to help you understand it better.
And if anyone is truly hungry in the US they are very few and almost always their own fault.
currently the don't get medicare or SS. After Obama they will, how is that not giving illegals more handouts?
It's much easier to be insane when you fight the devil than fighting a fellow human being. So much can be more easily justified.