Reagan gave amnesty to the illegals not because of the goodness of his heart but to help destroy the foundation of the democrat party, the middle class blue collar worker, both union and non union, and the dumbass democrats went along with,
The illegal as well as outsourcing is tool of the 1% to help knock down the middle class and unions who they feel threatened by,
and through NAFTA as well as other free trade programs and illegal immigration they have decimated the middle class and unions the backbone of the Democrat party because the democrat traitors want to eat at the same corporate pig trough as the republicans while pointing the finger at them.
What is truly sad is you phony, so called liberal democrats have been brainwashed into throwing the American tax paying middle class, your foundation, under the bus doing the bidding of the 1% while thinking you are on some noble cause,
and for those of you pretend liberal democrats that know this and don't care, just switch over to the republican party and kiss the hands of the Koch brothers or whatever flavor of republican party backers you hate,
You will still be an Asshole, but at least you will be an honest Asshole.
Once again the forum idiot michal1980 shows his ignorance (actually it's his stupidity), by calling services people pay into, "welfare".
when you dont pay for it, what would you call it?
“We’re going to offer the following deal: If you’ve with been in America more than five years. If you have children who are American citizens or [legal] residents. If you register, pass a criminal background check and you’re willing to pay your fair share of taxes, you’ll be able to apply to stay in this country temporarily without fear of deportation,” he said. “You can come out of the shadows and get right with the law.”
For those who work, that includes payroll taxes, also known as FICA taxes, because they are collected under the Federal Insurance Contributions Act.
Federal law says that people who pay the taxes and are deemed “lawfully present in the United States” can collect benefits under those programs when they become eligible. They may also receive survivor and disability benefits.
“If they pay in, they can draw,” White House spokesman Shawn Turner said by e-mail.
Turner noted, however, that the estimated 5 million immigrantsgranted protection from deportation will not be eligible for other federal benefits such as student financial aid, food stamps or housing subsidies. Nor are they eligible to purchase health insurance through the federal health-care exchange under the Affordable Care Act.
This could almost cause a guy to stop and think.
Turner noted, however, that the estimated 5 million immigrants granted protection from deportation will not be eligible for other federal benefits such as student financial aid, food stamps or housing subsidies. Nor are they eligible to purchase health insurance through the federal health-care exchange under the Affordable Care Act.
Just wanted to ensure I got this right. Michal again shows he reads, or has read to him, headlines without actually understanding what's written, as ivwshane has tried to point out.
Here, michael, is what your linked article said, and btw---it said not a damned thing about not paying for anything----
Now, michal, notice the sequence of events an illegal immigrant has to go through to get that "free" SS and Medicare.
Be here 5 years, pass background check, PAY TAXES. And, when they hit 62 years old, if they've paid enough in (hence the word eligible), they get to draw from it, JUST LIKE ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS PAID INTO THE SYSTEM.
Don't see anywhere or anything implying "FREE" SS and Medicare. They have to become eligible to get it, just like me or anyone else in the country, which means enough work credits over years.
Sorry, but you've shown your inability to comprehend what you bray about michal. Such rage is actually funny if it wasn't so sad.
Just wanted to ensure I got this right. Michal again shows he reads, or has read to him, headlines without actually understanding what's written, as ivwshane has tried to point out.
Here, michael, is what your linked article said, and btw---it said not a damned thing about not paying for anything----
Now, michal, notice the sequence of events an illegal immigrant has to go through to get that "free" SS and Medicare.
Be here 5 years, pass background check, PAY TAXES. And, when they hit 62 years old, if they've paid enough in (hence the word eligible), they get to draw from it, JUST LIKE ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS PAID INTO THE SYSTEM.
Don't see anywhere or anything implying "FREE" SS and Medicare. They have to become eligible to get it, just like me or anyone else in the country, which means enough work credits over years.
Sorry, but you've shown your inability to comprehend what you bray about michal. Such rage is actually funny if it wasn't so sad.
President Obamas temporary amnesty, which lasts three years, declares up to 5 million illegal immigrants to be lawfully in the country and eligible for work permits, but it still deems them ineligible for public benefits such as buying insurance on Obamacares health exchanges.
Under the Affordable Care Act, that means businesses who hire them wont have to pay a penalty for not providing them health coverage making them $3,000 more attractive than a similar native-born worker, whom the business by law would have to cover.
Liberals don't care about Americans. They pretend to care about the poor, and middle class, but go out of their way to destroy the middle class, and undercut the poor. But as long as those people become government dependents the left is happy.
Liberals don't care about Americans. They pretend to care about the poor, and middle class, but go out of their way to destroy the middle class, and undercut the poor. But as long as those people become government dependents the left is happy.
are you really that dense......once again you fail to read.
1) they are illegals. Why are they allowed access to any programs<-- they pay into the system. Then they must meet eligibility requirements...
2) most are low income, they will pay almost no taxes. And the taxes they pay, will never cover their costs of Social Security and Medicare.<-- you really do not have a clue do you? There are still eligibility requirements -- such as you must work 40 quarters or 10 years to even be eligible for Social security....
So yes most of these illegals will be freeloading on federal programs. And these are people that should never have been here in the first place. They cut in line, they snuck in, took American jobs, and now are taking American entitlements. And they aren't even American.
As long as you can demonize the left you don't have to look at your imbecility. It is still obvious to others though. Liberals and conservatives both care about Americans they just have differing notions about what caring is. Conservatives have a problem seeing that what they call caring doesn't become caring just because it's what they feel. Liberals tend to look to science to see if something is effective. They will deal with uncertainties and grays whereas you like being right and things black and white.
Essentially you are more a low level authoritarian thinker filled with arrogant suppositions that because you think something it has to be right. Your truth is mostly just a program you picked up in the process of becoming a conformist group thinker. You are sort of ground level un-evolved human, man at his most primitive state.
once again you fail to read.
1) they are illegals. Why are they allowed access to any programs
2) most are low income, they will pay almost no taxes. And the taxes they pay, will never cover their costs of Social Security and Medicare.
So yes most of these illegals will be freeloading on federal programs. And these are people that should never have been here in the first place. They cut in line, they snuck in, took American jobs, and now are taking American entitlements. And they aren't even American.
Originally Posted by michal1980
once again you fail to read.
1) they are illegals. Why are they allowed access to any programs<-- they pay into the system. Then they must meet eligibility requirements...
2) most are low income, they will pay almost no taxes. And the taxes they pay, will never cover their costs of Social Security and Medicare.<-- you really do not have a clue do you? There are still eligibility requirements -- such as you must work 40 quarters or 10 years to even be eligible for Social security....
So yes most of these illegals will be freeloading on federal programs. And these are people that should never have been here in the first place. They cut in line, they snuck in, took American jobs, and now are taking American entitlements. And they aren't even American.
are you really that dense......
rofl you stupid wise and beautiful woman. cry more.
are you really that dense......
And once again, michal, you refuse to even acknowledge simple facts or show the ability to see beyond what's able to penetrate that wall of concrete protecting your fragile mind. Worst yet, you have no concept of which you speak, either in today's terms or potential future terms.
First, let's address the first criticism, they're illegal immigrants. Yep, they are. But what's hoped is that, to go through all the steps necessary to stay here, such as the criminal background check, they'll be very much on their way to citizenship, an end result I think everyone wants. And that's what's needed, a long term view that gets the current illegals to become U.S. citizens.
And all these programs? They're allowed access to selected programs because anyone working in the U.S. or a U.S. territory gets FICA withheld from their paychecks. So, I guess you're advocating just taxing them for decades, they hit 60+ and that's it? They don't get the payback like everyone else that's paid into it over decades? Michal, I cannot believe you're that dense. Then again, maybe you are.
Just as an FYI, FICA payroll tax, which covers SS/Medicare payments deducted as a payroll tax has no minimum income exemption, so EVERYONE pays into it, you moron.
And here's the current schedule:
Social Security: 12.4% on your first $117,000 of wages
Medicare: 2.9% on all your wages
Total FICA: 15.3% maximum
If you're an employee, then you pay one half of this total (probably as a withholding on your paycheck); your employer pays the other half for you (and then gets a deduction for their half on their corporate tax return, since it's an expense - for them it's as if the FICA "half" is an additional piece of salary).
Notice anything that exempts low income earners from paying?
Also, in case you are oblivious, with SS, you get out kinda what you put in. SS is based on both time and income. You earn work credits for years worked and you have a minimum number of work credits you must have to draw from SS. Then your income comes into play as to amt. you receive. This and the time you've spent working gets formulated into a payment.
Essentially, a low income over short period = very low benefits. High income over long period = much higher benefits. True, you will draw more than you put in, but again, it's proportional to amt. put in, which in and of itself is derived by percentage of income earned.
And everyone draws more out of SS and Medicare than they've put into it, U.S. citizen or not.
"Undocumented workers broke our immigration laws, and I believe that they must be held accountable"
ohhh cry me a freakin river dude............Are you guys really this stupid? I mean seriously. We are faux legalization millions of low income workers, who will hardly pay anything in taxes, and end up with massive benefits.
OMG they pay a tiny amount of SS for 10 years & Medicare and then get to draw on it for 20+ years? Why those illegals are getting such a raw deal!
Social Security pays out more then you put in when your poor. Medicare pays out multiple times your payments unless your a really high earner.
You illegal alien supporters continue to ignore the costs of these programs. Who cares if they pay in, if at the end of the day they get more out then they put in, its welfare.
These illegals just won the lotto, no punishment for breaking our laws, and to top it off, a bunch of handouts. That will show all those people not to break into America.
Obama just told the world to come to America illegally, have some kids, and you'll get to stay, and we'll give you some handouts. Don't follow the rules, don't go to jail, America is so freaking rich, we can given hundreds of thosands of dollars in benefits to everyone. All current Americans are wealth, working, well educated, our roads and infrastructure is perfect, so we have money left over to take in everyone elses poor. Come on in.
Are you guys really this stupid? I mean seriously. We are faux legalization millions of low income workers, who will hardly pay anything in taxes, and end up with massive benefits.
OMG they pay a tiny amount of SS for 10 years & Medicare and then get to draw on it for 20+ years? Why those illegals are getting such a raw deal!
Social Security pays out more then you put in when your poor. Medicare pays out multiple times your payments unless your a really high earner.
You illegal alien supporters continue to ignore the costs of these programs. Who cares if they pay in, if at the end of the day they get more out then they put in, its welfare.
These illegals just won the lotto, no punishment for breaking our laws, and to top it off, a bunch of handouts. That will show all those people not to break into America.
Obama just told the world to come to America illegally, have some kids, and you'll get to stay, and we'll give you some handouts. Don't follow the rules, don't go to jail, America is so freaking rich, we can given hundreds of thosands of dollars in benefits to everyone. All current Americans are wealth, working, well educated, our roads and infrastructure is perfect, so we have money left over to take in everyone elses poor. Come on in.
Obama said this in his speech
I guess accountability now means getting handouts. I wish I could get a parking ticket and have the government pay me. But fuck that I'm an American I deserve to get screwed.
Liberals don't care about Americans. They pretend to care about the poor, and middle class, but go out of their way to destroy the middle class, and undercut the poor. But as long as those people become government dependents the left is happy.
Then do you agree you won't take more out of SS and Medicare when you retire in 40 years? That you'll voluntarily stop taking payments when you're about 72?
Or do you even understand EVERYONE takes more out of SS than puts in, despite income levels? And Medicare, some will take out more than in, some won't. But I guess everyone that takes out more is taking welfare, eh? Pretty sure that includes a LOT of retirees your parents know....and will probably include you, too.
Boom! Goes the Parrot.
Up next: Why can't Mikey read.
^ I'm always curious why anyone thinks pointing out an example of a terrible immigration failure and the nearly complete loss of people's culture and homeland is a great example of why we should just have open borders and skip happily along in setting up another terrible immigration failure...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...1caefe-74d4-11e4-bd1b-03009bd3e984_story.html
Boom. Called it.
Break into the country get Medicare and social security for free. Talk about a great deal. More illegals should come, maybe Obama will let them stay too.
Up next, Obamacare for illegals.