Obama's legacy so far (2008-2013)

[Thebobo]

Directly below Carter.
Before Obama;Carter was the worst.
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Not to get off topic but Carter was far from the worst. Most people don't have a clue what he did, they are just told by the right side that they should hate him.

Bush was the worst in my mind he is responsible for the death of 3000+ americans in America, 3000+ americans and 100K+ civilians in iraq and the financial trouble we are slowly getting out of now.

So how many human beings did Carter kill?

 

[Sonikku]

Maybe if Obama spent more time running the country instead of appearing in Superbowl ads then the country wouldn't be in such bad shape. :\

Obama killed Osama?

I thought he was like 3,000 miles away?

This. Saying Obama killed Bin Laden is like saying Hitler killed millions of Jews.

 

[thraashman]

Not to get off topic but Carter was far from the worst. Most people don't have a clue what he did, they are just told by the right side that they should hate him.

Bush was the worst in my mind he is responsible for the death of 3000+ americans in America, 3000+ americans and 100K+ civilians in iraq and the financial trouble we are slowly getting out of now.

So how many human beings did Carter kill?

Honestly it's hard to say exactly who was the worst. It's extremely likely, in fact almost a guarantee that Nixon committed treason prior to becoming President in order to help his chances of election. And then Jackson directly violated a USSC order. Reagan also quite possibly committed treason with Iran Contra. Vietnam was a bigger fuck up than Iraq part 2, so Kennedy deserves a lot of flak for that. Bush 2 absolutely deserves criticism for his numerous major screw ups and getting us into Iraq while mismanaging Afghanistan. Obama has failed to fix the economy he inherited and had an American citizen killed without a trial. FDR interned Japanese US citizens. How many of our first Presidents owned slaves?

I could probably find tons more of every President. Trying to claim one President is the worst is ridiculous. And trying to claim Obama is the worst is not supported by the numerous shitty things previous Presidents have done.

 

[senseamp]

Same crowd that is saying Obama is the worst were before saying Clinton was the worst, and voted for Bush twice.

 

[z1ggy]

Maybe if Obama spent more time running the country instead of appearing in Superbowl ads then the country wouldn't be in such bad shape. :\



This. Saying Obama killed Bin Laden is like saying Hitler killed millions of Jews.

I just got my popcorn bag out of the microwave and am highly anticipating the rebuttals to this statement.

 

[First]

There's a distinct difference between national debt, and the national deficit.

http://money.howstuffworks.com/difference-between-u-s-deficit-national-debt-.htm

That should clear things up between you and TH.

Yeah, I know what they are, and neither number is $1T, particularly not the number which matters which is the actual deficit.

EDIT: That's a great article btw.

Projections are not the same as actual results. All it would take is a dip in the economy over the next couple of years and we'd be looking at > $1 trillion annual deficits again. Our income rises and falls with the economy, but our spending goes in only one direction.

The projection isn't going to be much difference since short-term budget projections are quite easy to get right within about a 10% variance. Nowhere did I mention "a couple years from now". I said this year, and the CBO is only making a projection based on months of fiscal 2014 data if you read the link I offered.

 

[werepossum]

Honestly it's hard to say exactly who was the worst. It's extremely likely, in fact almost a guarantee that Nixon committed treason prior to becoming President in order to help his chances of election. And then Jackson directly violated a USSC order. Reagan also quite possibly committed treason with Iran Contra. Vietnam was a bigger fuck up than Iraq part 2, so Kennedy deserves a lot of flak for that. Bush 2 absolutely deserves criticism for his numerous major screw ups and getting us into Iraq while mismanaging Afghanistan. Obama has failed to fix the economy he inherited and had an American citizen killed without a trial. FDR interned Japanese US citizens. How many of our first Presidents owned slaves?

I could probably find tons more of every President. Trying to claim one President is the worst is ridiculous. And trying to claim Obama is the worst is not supported by the numerous shitty things previous Presidents have done.

That is a good point.

I don't think it's as simple as putting things in good/bad columns. Obamacare has been a pretty serious negative to me and millions like me, but it's also a pretty big positive to millions it has helped get health insurance.

 

[TreVader]

Maybe if Obama spent more time running the country instead of appearing in Superbowl ads then the country wouldn't be in such bad shape. :\



This. Saying Obama killed Bin Laden is like saying Hitler killed millions of Jews.

Is this sarcasm? Did Hitler not kill millions of jews?

 

[schmuckley]

Not to get off topic but Carter was far from the worst. Most people don't have a clue what he did, they are just told by the right side that they should hate him.

Bush was the worst in my mind he is responsible for the death of 3000+ americans in America, 3000+ americans and 100K+ civilians in iraq and the financial trouble we are slowly getting out of now.

So how many human beings did Carter kill?

okay..Obama>Bush>Carter
happy now?

2 out those 3 have let fuel prices skyrocket out of control:Can your guess which 2?

 

[JManInPhoenix]

This. Saying Obama killed Bin Laden is like saying Hitler killed millions of Jews.

Semantics. OK, Obama ordered the hit on bin Laden. Hitler was responsible for the Holocaust.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Honestly it's hard to say exactly who was the worst. It's extremely likely, in fact almost a guarantee that Nixon committed treason prior to becoming President in order to help his chances of election. And then Jackson directly violated a USSC order. Reagan also quite possibly committed treason with Iran Contra. Vietnam was a bigger fuck up than Iraq part 2, so Kennedy deserves a lot of flak for that. Bush 2 absolutely deserves criticism for his numerous major screw ups and getting us into Iraq while mismanaging Afghanistan. Obama has failed to fix the economy he inherited and had an American citizen killed without a trial. FDR interned Japanese US citizens. How many of our first Presidents owned slaves?

I could probably find tons more of every President. Trying to claim one President is the worst is ridiculous. And trying to claim Obama is the worst is not supported by the numerous shitty things previous Presidents have done.

Just a note: Kennedy in general was against further escalation in Vietnam. Though we will never know exactly how far he would have taken it due to being assassinated.
One he gained the presidency; Johnson dived in feet first on escalation (using the now known to be fictitious Gulf of Tonkin incident as a reason).

 

[rudder]

LOL only a mental midget would believe this shit so where do that leave you?

Labor participation rate:
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000


Food stamp participation:
http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/15SNAPpartPP.htm

Americans in Poverty:
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/historical/people.html

note: I compared 2007 with 2012 which was a 24% increase.

Granted health insurance cost increases are hard to quantify. Some people get subsidies and some people have to pay those subsidies... but for the ones paying their own... nothing but bad news.

Gas... you should notice that everytime you fill up.

National debt. The debt ceiling just got raised... really?

So if a mental midget believes that shit (which is confirmed by government data sources)... what does that make you?

 

[jhbball]

Labor participation rate:
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000


Food stamp participation:
http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/15SNAPpartPP.htm

Americans in Poverty:
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/historical/people.html

note: I compared 2007 with 2012 which was a 24% increase.

Granted health insurance cost increases are hard to quantify. Some people get subsidies and some people have to pay those subsidies... but for the ones paying their own... nothing but bad news.

Gas... you should notice that everytime you fill up.

National debt. The debt ceiling just got raised... really?

So if a mental midget believes that shit (which is confirmed by government data sources)... what does that make you?

HMM. Could any of this been related to the financial crisis? (Yes, you fucking moron).

Also, please point to Obama's policies that have affected the price of gas.

 

[Lash444]

Labor participation rate:
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000


Food stamp participation:
http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/15SNAPpartPP.htm

Americans in Poverty:
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/historical/people.html

note: I compared 2007 with 2012 which was a 24% increase.

Granted health insurance cost increases are hard to quantify. Some people get subsidies and some people have to pay those subsidies... but for the ones paying their own... nothing but bad news.

Gas... you should notice that everytime you fill up.

National debt. The debt ceiling just got raised... really?

So if a mental midget believes that shit (which is confirmed by government data sources)... what does that make you?

I think the mental midget part comes from the fact you can't grasp what parts Obama is and is not responsible for.

You and rudeguy both can't seem to grasp that.

 

[ivwshane]

HMM. Could any of this been related to the financial crisis? (Yes, you fucking moron).

Also, please point to Obama's policies that have affected the price of gas.

Well under his admin our domestic oil production has increased so...I guess more supply causes an increase in price/s

 

[rudder]

HMM. Could any of this been related to the financial crisis? (Yes, you fucking moron).

You lefties get so snippety and love to call people morons. There are plenty of archives/studies out there so I should not have to lengthen this thread rehashing things lefties refuse to believe... so I will leave it at that.

At any rate... what can you say about people who refuse to also believe the crap coming from this administration has not exacerbated the dire situation.

And I fully expect to be called a racist now.

 

[jhbball]

You lefties get so snippety and love to call people morons. There are plenty of archives/studies out there so I should not have to lengthen this thread rehashing things lefties refuse to believe... so I will leave it at that.

At any rate... what can you say about people who refuse to also believe the crap coming from this administration has not exacerbated the dire situation.

And I fully expect to be called a racist now.

Nice dodge. Maybe you should have attempted to graduate high school.

 

[rudder]

Well under his admin our domestic oil production has increased so...I guess more supply causes an increase in price/s

You do realize that the price of domestically produced oil is influenced by the world market and the value of the dollar?

I mean Bush was influencing oil prices when he was if office? So why can't Obama do the same?

 

[Lash444]

You do realize that the price of domestically produced oil is influenced by the world market and the value of the dollar?

I mean Bush was influencing oil prices when he was if office? So why can't Obama do the same?

This is what we are talking about. So as a nation we are using less oil and gas, and exporting more.

Gas under bush rose until he did what? Lifted the ban on offshore drilling, at which point it fell. If went higher in his second term as well.

How do you want Obama to lower gas prices? Produce more? We are. Reduce demand? We lowered our demand.

Other than lifting the offshore drilling, how did bush "influence people" why did it spike before he lifted, and why did it drop shortly after? how was he influencing ppl?

 

[fskimospy]

You lefties get so snippety and love to call people morons. There are plenty of archives/studies out there so I should not have to lengthen this thread rehashing things lefties refuse to believe... so I will leave it at that.

At any rate... what can you say about people who refuse to also believe the crap coming from this administration has not exacerbated the dire situation.

And I fully expect to be called a racist now.

People are just trying to tell you that you've swallowed a pretty silly narrative there. As I mentioned before, the gas price number is particularly hilariously dishonest.

 

[thraashman]

Labor participation rate:
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000


Food stamp participation:
http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/15SNAPpartPP.htm

Americans in Poverty:
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/historical/people.html

note: I compared 2007 with 2012 which was a 24% increase.

Granted health insurance cost increases are hard to quantify. Some people get subsidies and some people have to pay those subsidies... but for the ones paying their own... nothing but bad news.

Gas... you should notice that everytime you fill up.

National debt. The debt ceiling just got raised... really?

So if a mental midget believes that shit (which is confirmed by government data sources)... what does that make you?

http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx
I'm going to ignore the rest. But the gas prices one is simply incorrect. Look at the 8 year or 10 year chart. You can see that under Bush prices steadily climbed until about September 08. You know, when the economy crashed. Then you can see how there was a gain as the economy improved to where prices have remained relatively constant over the last 3 years. At no point under Obama have gas prices reached the peak they hit under Bush.

To try to sell the gas price increases to Obama is not just dishonest, it's ignorant.

 

[Sonikku]

Is this sarcasm? Did Hitler not kill millions of jews?

Not any more than Obama killed bin laden. A stroke of the pen isn't the same as pulling the trigger. That's why it doesn't make sense when liberals still go off on Obama killing Osama. You can't have it both ways. Either he did or he didn't.

 

[jhbball]

People are just trying to tell you that you've swallowed a pretty silly narrative there. As I mentioned before, the gas price number is particularly hilariously dishonest.

Hey, but his 'gut' his telling him otherwise. Always trust your gut!

 

[z1ggy]

Not any more than Obama killed bin laden. A stroke of the pen isn't the same as pulling the trigger. That's why it doesn't make sense when liberals still go off on Obama killing Osama. You can't have it both ways. Either he did or he didn't.

LOLOL right and that's why all the SS officers who claimed they were "just following orders" should be found innocent of murder, even if they never pulled any triggers.

How'd that work out for them again....?

 

[Lash444]

Not any more than Obama killed bin laden. A stroke of the pen isn't the same as pulling the trigger. That's why it doesn't make sense when liberals still go off on Obama killing Osama. You can't have it both ways. Either he did or he didn't.

Uh, no. If you paid someone to kill your wife, would I still hold you responsible for her death even though you didn't directly pull the trigger? Absolutely.

Did Obama pull the trigger? No. Did Hitler kill all the Jews? No

You make as much of a connection as you want in your own brain. Nobody can say what percentage they are responsible for the actions. What is certain, is they played an integral part in the outcome.