Obama's legacy so far (2008-2013)

[Lash444]

Uh, no. If you paid someone to kill your wife, would I still hold you responsible for her death even though you didn't directly pull the trigger? Absolutely.

Did Obama pull the trigger? No. Did Hitler kill all the Jews? No

You make as much of a connection as you want in your own brain. Nobody can say what percentage they are responsible for the actions. What is certain, is they played an integral part in the outcome.

And just for the sake of showing the dishonesty in the people on this site... Who would be responsible if the members of seal team 6 all would have died in that mission? Surely not Obama since he didn't pull the trigger, right?

 

[zinfamous]

Pro:
Obamacare

Con:
The guy who started the $Trillion$ per year deficits.
under gw bush, it was only ~500B/yr (largest in US history till Obama took office).

Are you really this dumb?


You also left out Pro: Opened the federal restrictions against Gay rights. Very much unprecedented.

 

[zinfamous]

This. Saying Obama killed Bin Laden is like saying Hitler killed millions of Jews.

 

[Incorruptible]

obama has been a horrible president. His policies don't work and he hasn't fixed the economy. One of the few good things he did was increase gun sales, the guy is so stupid since he favors more gun control yet he has helped to increase gun sales.

 

[Matt1970]

HMM. Could any of this been related to the financial crisis? (Yes, you fucking moron).

Also, please point to Obama's policies that have affected the price of gas.

So let me get this straight. Someone posts some stats, then someone says only a midget would believe them, the facts then get proven and they get called a fucking moron. Classy.

I happen to like the gas statistic. It a reminder to those people who blamed Bush for the high prices during his administration that it's not the President's fault.

 

[shortylickens]

Obama didnt get Bin Laden, Hillary did.

 

[zinfamous]

Is this sarcasm? Did Hitler not kill millions of jews?

LOLOL right and that's why all the SS officers who claimed they were "just following orders" should be found innocent of murder, even if they never pulled any triggers.

How'd that work out for them again....?

Uh, no. If you paid someone to kill your wife, would I still hold you responsible for her death even though you didn't directly pull the trigger? Absolutely.

Did Obama pull the trigger? No. Did Hitler kill all the Jews? No

You make as much of a connection as you want in your own brain. Nobody can say what percentage they are responsible for the actions. What is certain, is they played an integral part in the outcome.

This is you guys:

 

[Matt1970]

And just for the sake of showing the dishonesty in the people on this site... Who would be responsible if the members of seal team 6 all would have died in that mission? Surely not Obama since he didn't pull the trigger, right?

Apparently according to the Obama worshipers there was only one person in the entire world cable of answering yes to the question of whether or not to take out Bin Laden.

 

[Tango]

Democrats have a legitimate point that the 2009 budget was planned under Bush. Even if Obama signed off on it and implemented it. The President made no difference regarding how large the deficit was that year.

The real issue with trillion dollar deficits is their continuation. We have social programs to pay for, or expand, but before we even do that we're still skyrocketing our debt. Our financial situation is an untenable quagmire.

It does not make much sense to talk about fiscal budgets in a vacuum. It all depends on the phase of the business cycle you are in.

You want fiscal deficits when you are in a contraction or in the immediate aftermath of a recession. The important thing is that you then have surpluses in the expansionary phase of the cycle.

 

[Thebobo]

okay..Obama>Bush>Carter
happy now?

2 out those 3 have let fuel prices skyrocket out of control:Can your guess which 2?

Lol ok but Carter was a favorite of mine back then... But he had no control of the oil from the middle east. I worked at a Gas Station during the second oil crisis (he was pres) and we sold just as much gas as before the crisis as during, just that we would do it in 4 hours with folks lined up for blocks. People just panicked and created the ruse. He did pass legislation to ease up the read tape for oil production in the US.

Also for me, helped pass the Alaska Lands act which set aside vast areas of Alaska for future generations to enjoy. Also not to forget the Camp David agreement which brought peace between Egypt and Israel and is last to this day.

If the military mission to free the people in Iran would of worked or if he would of secured their release I think would of been re-elected.

 

[ivwshane]

You do realize that the price of domestically produced oil is influenced by the world market and the value of the dollar?

I mean Bush was influencing oil prices when he was if office? So why can't Obama do the same?

Who attributed high gas prices to bush in this thread?

 

[Lash444]

Apparently according to the Obama worshipers there was only one person in the entire world cable of answering yes to the question of whether or not to take out Bin Laden.

Maybe you are right, but one thing that this thread certainly proves is that if anything goes south there is certainly only one person your side attributes the fall to.

 

[zinfamous]

proof?

wow, you guys really don't read outside of your tiny spheres, do you?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...tinue-under-obama-despite-latino-disapproval/

 

[zinfamous]

Apparently according to the Obama worshipers there was only one person in the entire world cable of answering yes to the question of whether or not to take out Bin Laden.

You do realize that only one person can give that order, yeah?

You do realize that, right?

Do you understand that?

 

[Tango]

lol. This is a perfect example of the know-nothing stupidity of the extreme right these days. "I don't care what economics says, I know what I know".

How embarrassing for you.

As I wrote in the topic about monetary policy, it's not their fault. The media do a terrible job at presenting these topics (I suspect because they don't understand them themselves) and politicians are even worse. It's to be expected people are confused.

To be fair, even economists are not blameless, as very few of even the most talented ones are capable of conveying to the general public at least a part of their results (I know, often it is not possible, but sometimes it could be).

You are in favor of unlimited debt, so how much debt do you carry? A few million, tens of millions in debt?

There is no such a value. It is all dependent on the cost of maintaining the debt! and what return you obtain on the money you borrow.

In the past few years the US has enjoyed extremely low interest rates, often in negative real territory. It is a rational response to expand its debt.

As I wrote in the other thread, if interested read scientific literature. It is the only relevant source.

 

[Matt1970]

You do realize that only one person can give that order, yeah?

You do realize that, right?

Do you understand that?

There are 4 billion people in the world and we were lucky enough to get the one person who could.

 

[Matt1970]

Maybe you are right, but one thing that this thread certainly proves is that if anything goes south there is certainly only one person your side attributes the fall to.

Or is more like my side is pointing out that he promised to do all these great things and unite the sides but instead decided when things were at their worst the most important thing is pass emergency healthcare reform that doesn't kick in for 3 years, and even then only part of it?

 

[boomerang]

There are 4 billion people in the world and we were lucky enough to get the one person who could.

Yeah, and he couldn't stand to watch and played cards with his man-servant while it went down.

 

[zinfamous]

There are 4 billion people in the world and we were lucky enough to get the one person who could.

I'm sure my sarcasm meter is broken.

I am sure of it!

It is...isn't it?

 

[piasabird]

You voted for pain and misery. Now you cant even find a decent part time job.

 

[jhbball]

You voted for pain and misery. Now you cant even find a decent part time job.

Couldn't find a part time job. I did find this 6 figure full-time job though. Thanks Obama!

 

[zinfamous]

Yeah, and he couldn't stand to watch and played cards with his man-servant while it went down.

I'm convinced that had Obama actually repelled down the rope, on his own, busted down the door in Abottobad, on his own, popped 3 caps in Bin Laden, took a quick selfie while twerking over the crater in bin Laden's head, dragged the corpse out, on his own, and climbed up the rope back into the helicopter with the corpse in his teeth, rode over to the aircraft carrier and dumped the corpse in the ocean, you would STILL not give him any credit.

I am 100% sure of this.

Why? the ditto disease that has permeated your skulls would look towards S&W for manufacturing the .44 that killed bin Laden, GE for making the rope that allowed Obama to climb down from the helicopter to the ground, Lockhead Martin or who the fuck ever manufactured the stealth helicopter, whoever made the boots that allowed Obama to kick down the door, his wonderful dentist for allowing Obama the strength to grasp the corpse by his teeth, Apple for allowing the selfie.

This is exactly what you would do. Every singlefuckingoneofyou.

 

[zinfamous]

Or is more like my side is pointing out that he promised to do all these great things and unite the sides but instead decided when things were at their worst the most important thing is pass emergency healthcare reform that doesn't kick in for 3 years, and even then only part of it?

The ACA has been his goal long before he declared his presidency. Everyone knows this wasn't the economy he asked for--but the very least anyone could do is give him credit for going after the singular goal he set for himself. The nice thing is, ACA truly is an approach towards fixing large problems throughout the economy. This doesn't happen overnight, of course, so largely ignorant vitriol is understandable.

But this is what he is dealing with:

--trying to compromise with a faction that was born after his election, whose only stated platform is to "oppose everything Obama wants" What is he supposed to do?

His criticism is: Real leaders get things done!

--OK, so he has to get things done against people that refuse to even talk to him. So this is what he does: Promise to pass bills through executive order (even though he has done this less than 5 previous presidents, combined). So, the only power given to him, through the constitution, to actually get things done, and he promises to use it.

Hi criticism: OMG he's a dictator and a fascistcommunist!

 

[werepossum]

The ACA has been his goal long before he declared his presidency. Everyone knows this wasn't the economy he asked for--but the very least anyone could do is give him credit for going after the singular goal he set for himself. The nice thing is, ACA truly is an approach towards fixing large problems throughout the economy. This doesn't happen overnight, of course, so largely ignorant vitriol is understandable.

But this is what he is dealing with:

--trying to compromise with a faction that was born after his election, whose only stated platform is to "oppose everything Obama wants" What is he supposed to do?

His criticism is: Real leaders get things done!

--OK, so he has to get things done against people that refuse to even talk to him. So this is what he does: Promise to pass bills through executive order (even though he has done this less than 5 previous presidents, combined). So, the only power given to him, through the constitution, to actually get things done, and he promises to use it.

Hi criticism: OMG he's a dictator and a fascistcommunist!

Two points. First, the ACA causes at least as many problems in the economy as it cures. Second, all executive orders are not created equal. Some are complementary with existing law, essentially directions for complying with existing law. Those are fine. Others are in direct violation of existing law, such as directing ICE to not deport people the law says are to be deported or changing Obamacare. I can somewhat give him a pass on the latter since Obamacare is so badly implemented that to not change it would cause massive problems and it's obvious he isn't going to easily get a bill through Congress doing it legally.

 

[boomerang]

I'm convinced that had Obama actually repelled down the rope, on his own, busted down the door in Abottobad, on his own, popped 3 caps in Bin Laden, took a quick selfie while twerking over the crater in bin Laden's head, dragged the corpse out, on his own, and climbed up the rope back into the helicopter with the corpse in his teeth, rode over to the aircraft carrier and dumped the corpse in the ocean, you would STILL not give him any credit.

I am 100% sure of this.

Why? the ditto disease that has permeated your skulls would look towards S&W for manufacturing the .44 that killed bin Laden, GE for making the rope that allowed Obama to climb down from the helicopter to the ground, Lockhead Martin or who the fuck ever manufactured the stealth helicopter, whoever made the boots that allowed Obama to kick down the door, his wonderful dentist for allowing Obama the strength to grasp the corpse by his teeth, Apple for allowing the selfie.

This is exactly what you would do. Every singlefuckingoneofyou.

Get over it. My god, I have to deal with you Obama worshipers every single fucking day. Giving Obama credit for getting Bin Laden is laughable at best. By every account he had one hell of a time making his damn mind up. But you hoist this up and parade it around like it's some kind of magnificent achievement. ANY president would have given the mission a go. Even the girlie, pansy one we have now eventually decided to git r done.

Hell, most of you have forgotten that you'd rather have had brought Bin Laden back for trial in a civilian court after he'd been mirandized like he was a goddamn citizen no less, so we could pay his legal bills for decades (before the trial mind you) pay his legal bills through the two of his trial and then pay his legal bills for the rest of his life along with his three hot's and a cot (with the hot's prepared according in the method of the halal of course) his medical, and who knows what else while you over time came to feel that he was just really a kind, misunderstood guy that got caught up in some bad shit due to peer pressure.

Then, you'd be marching for his release and your grandkids would be ditching the Che shirts in favor of the Bin Laden shirts and the shit would go on and on forever.

It was said that he was buried at sea in part to help with the problem of his potential martyrdom but what nobody wants to talk about is that it would have been here. In Berkeley they'd have named a fucking street after him and Obama probably wanted to have his body preserved in a glass case in the Capital building.

Hey, look, I can go off half-cocked just like you. I think I did a better job of it though. The internet, where talk is cheap.