Obama's legacy so far (2008-2013)

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GoPackGo

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Oct 10, 2003
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ACA is a pro, but it has problems that need to be fixed.

Con - Vast amounts of political capital that wasn't spent properly and eventually expired.

Con - Nothing serious done about the student loan bubble.

Con - Not enough effort towards radically improving K - PhD Education, Scientific Research, Medical Research and no serious commitment to space exploration.
 

zinfamous

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Get over it. My god, I have to deal with you Obama worshipers every single fucking day. Giving Obama credit for getting Bin Laden is laughable at best. By every account he had one hell of a time making his damn mind up. But you hoist this up and parade it around like it's some kind of magnificent achievement. ANY president would have given the mission a go. Even the girlie, pansy one we have now eventually decided to git r done.

Hell, most of you have forgotten that you'd rather have had brought Bin Laden back for trial in a civilian court after he'd been mirandized like he was a goddamn citizen no less, so we could pay his legal bills for decades (before the trial mind you) pay his legal bills through the two of his trial and then pay his legal bills for the rest of his life along with his three hot's and a cot (with the hot's prepared according in the method of the halal of course) his medical, and who knows what else while you over time came to feel that he was just really a kind, misunderstood guy that got caught up in some bad shit due to peer pressure.

Then, you'd be marching for his release and your grandkids would be ditching the Che shirts in favor of the Bin Laden shirts and the shit would go on and on forever.

It was said that he was buried at sea in part to help with the problem of his potential martyrdom but what nobody wants to talk about is that it would have been here. In Berkeley they'd have named a fucking street after him and Obama probably wanted to have his body preserved in a glass case in the Capital building.

Hey, look, I can go off half-cocked just like you. I think I did a better job of it though. The internet, where talk is cheap.

I'm far from an Obama worshiper. I just hate dumb people that cling to childish logic and idiotic ideas.
 

zinfamous

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Wasn't it Obama that said, "You didn't build that". Using his logic, how could anyone give him credit? It takes a village.

see what I said above. You disagree with him in one statement, then you agree with him in your final statement. He said the SAME FUCKING THING.

see, this is why I have problems dealing with infants.
 

zinfamous

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The "oppose everything Obama wants" seems to work both ways. There are some 171 job bills that the Senate refuses to vote on. It's better to just ignore that and go before the media every chance you get and cry obstructionism. It doesn't have to be true, you just have to get enough people to believe it and TADA, you are re-elected.

I would be inclined to agree with you--that definitely happens and the Dems deserve more flack for being little bitches--but the problem is that is the ONLY platform of the teabaggers: "Oppose everything/generate no ideas"
 

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On the thread topic, Americans (and liberals in particular) should be pleased with the following changes since Obama took office:

1. Immigration; intensity of opposition from 2007 has at least been halved, with many conservative thought leaders and actual Hill leaders supporting the effort, tons of lobbying from outside groups like the Chamber of Commerce & FWD (and in the case of Tea Party groups like Heritage Action, SCF, etc., staying out of the immigration fight shows a huge reversal from just 6 years ago). Senate immigration bill got a third of Republicans and HOR will simply bend to that will sooner or later, particularly given Boehner's positive posture on it (despite his recent funny reversal). Remember, Repubs weren't even imagining immigration reform with this POTUS until the November 2012 shellacking.

2. Gay marriage issue and gay rights have taken a complete reversal since 2008. Public opinion polls are all solidly in favor, something that was not the case 5 short years ago. There are now 17 states that allow same sex marriage, with a new state seemingly overruling anti-gay laws as unconstitutional every couple months, not including 3 additional states (Utah, Okalahoma & Virginia) that have struck down anti-gay marriage laws that are stayed due to appeal. Compare this to the three! states that had legal gay marriage when Obama admin took office in January 2009. Quite a turnaround.

3. Healthcare, specifically the giant leap toward universal coverage that the ACA represents, potentially the final stepping stone before single payer comes about (which may or may not happen, but it's undeniably going in that direction). With the individual components of the law still vastly more popular than not, particularly among those who actually know what's in the law, the continued expansion of Medicaid in Republican states and the near certainty of tens of millions of additional covered Americans by the 2016 elections, and it's clear the law will both not be repealed and will be popular by a large majority just as SS & Medicare have become.

4. Financial reform, with regs like the Volcker rule, reserve ratios, etc. tightening the risks banks can engage in WRT lending activities. This is something that has been sorely needed and at the very least Dodd-Frank was a massively positive step in the right direction. Gone are the Republican attempts to repeal it, and the public overwhelmingly supports both the spirit and the actual law itself, particularly in not wanting bailouts. Dodd-Frank looked as if it was going to be watered down as recently as 2012, but by last year with many of the rules near completion and implementation it's clear financial reform and record fines regulators have brokered with the big banks Chase et al) have undeniably sent a chill through the reckless precincts of certain financial institutions. I say this is quite a welcome change from just before the 08 collapse, given the mess these turds put the world economy in later that year.

Now how much you attribute that directly to his administration (laws passed, his AG Holder, his executive actions, etc.) is open to debate, though the trend is undeniably liberal.
 
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