Obama's legacy so far (2008-2013)

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fskimospy

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I'm convinced that had Obama actually repelled down the rope, on his own, busted down the door in Abottobad, on his own, popped 3 caps in Bin Laden, took a quick selfie while twerking over the crater in bin Laden's head, dragged the corpse out, on his own, and climbed up the rope back into the helicopter with the corpse in his teeth, rode over to the aircraft carrier and dumped the corpse in the ocean, you would STILL not give him any credit.

I am 100% sure of this.

Why? the ditto disease that has permeated your skulls would look towards S&W for manufacturing the .44 that killed bin Laden, GE for making the rope that allowed Obama to climb down from the helicopter to the ground, Lockhead Martin or who the fuck ever manufactured the stealth helicopter, whoever made the boots that allowed Obama to kick down the door, his wonderful dentist for allowing Obama the strength to grasp the corpse by his teeth, Apple for allowing the selfie.

This is exactly what you would do. Every singlefuckingoneofyou.

It was pretty impressive how they IMMEDIATELY went about trying to figure out how Obama shouldn't get any credit for it, despite the fact that he did EXACTLY what they wanted him to do and he succeeded.

It's because our politics are tribal. He's part of the wrong tribe, therefore people like boomerang know they need to oppose him. Why they are opposing him will be rationalized after the fact.
 

jhbball

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Get over it. My god, I have to deal with you Obama worshipers every single fucking day. Giving Obama credit for getting Bin Laden is laughable at best. By every account he had one hell of a time making his damn mind up. But you hoist this up and parade it around like it's some kind of magnificent achievement. ANY president would have given the mission a go. Even the girlie, pansy one we have now eventually decided to git r done.

Hell, most of you have forgotten that you'd rather have had brought Bin Laden back for trial in a civilian court after he'd been mirandized like he was a goddamn citizen no less, so we could pay his legal bills for decades (before the trial mind you) pay his legal bills through the two of his trial and then pay his legal bills for the rest of his life along with his three hot's and a cot (with the hot's prepared according in the method of the halal of course) his medical, and who knows what else while you over time came to feel that he was just really a kind, misunderstood guy that got caught up in some bad shit due to peer pressure.

Then, you'd be marching for his release and your grandkids would be ditching the Che shirts in favor of the Bin Laden shirts and the shit would go on and on forever.

It was said that he was buried at sea in part to help with the problem of his potential martyrdom but what nobody wants to talk about is that it would have been here. In Berkeley they'd have named a fucking street after him and Obama probably wanted to have his body preserved in a glass case in the Capital building.

Hey, look, I can go off half-cocked just like you. I think I did a better job of it though. The internet, where talk is cheap.

dat hyperbole.
 

boomerang

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Why? the ditto disease that has permeated your skulls would look towards S&W for manufacturing the .44 that killed bin Laden, GE for making the rope that allowed Obama to climb down from the helicopter to the ground, Lockhead Martin or who the fuck ever manufactured the stealth helicopter, whoever made the boots that allowed Obama to kick down the door, his wonderful dentist for allowing Obama the strength to grasp the corpse by his teeth, Apple for allowing the selfie.
Wasn't it Obama that said, "You didn't build that". Using his logic, how could anyone give him credit? It takes a village.
 

ivwshane

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Wasn't it Obama that said, "You didn't build that". Using his logic, how could anyone give him credit? It takes a village.

You are right and Obama gave credit to the village as well!

You should take your own advice and "get over it"!
 

The_AC

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Imagine how much money we could get if everything in the US were put up on ebay (you know... just conceptually). To the best of my knowledge, the Obama presidency is the first time in history where the government is in debt by more than that amount.

[EDIT: I need to quit posting when tired/distracted]
 
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fskimospy

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Imagine how much money we could get if everything in the US were put up on ebay (you know... just conceptually). To the best of my knowledge, the Obama presidency is the first time in history where the government is in debt by more than that amount.

This is not even close to true. You are first talking about debt to GDP ratio, which was considerably higher in the 1940s. Second, gross domestic product is what the country makes in a year, not the sum of US assets, which is many times higher.
 

Matt1970

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The ACA has been his goal long before he declared his presidency. Everyone knows this wasn't the economy he asked for--but the very least anyone could do is give him credit for going after the singular goal he set for himself. The nice thing is, ACA truly is an approach towards fixing large problems throughout the economy. This doesn't happen overnight, of course, so largely ignorant vitriol is understandable.

But this is what he is dealing with:

--trying to compromise with a faction that was born after his election, whose only stated platform is to "oppose everything Obama wants" What is he supposed to do?

His criticism is: Real leaders get things done!

--OK, so he has to get things done against people that refuse to even talk to him. So this is what he does: Promise to pass bills through executive order (even though he has done this less than 5 previous presidents, combined). So, the only power given to him, through the constitution, to actually get things done, and he promises to use it.

Hi criticism: OMG he's a dictator and a fascistcommunist!

The "oppose everything Obama wants" seems to work both ways. There are some 171 job bills that the Senate refuses to vote on. It's better to just ignore that and go before the media every chance you get and cry obstructionism. It doesn't have to be true, you just have to get enough people to believe it and TADA, you are re-elected.
 

Matt1970

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This is not even close to true. You are first talking about debt to GDP ratio, which was considerably higher in the 1940s. Second, gross domestic product is what the country makes in a year, not the sum of US assets, which is many times higher.

Right, but by 1947ish debt was back below GDP.
 

fskimospy

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Meaning we actually paid back some of the debt and started spending more responsibly. Is that going to happen now?

Our debt to GDP ratio was reduced almost entirely by economic growth. The ironic thing is that in this economic situation your proposed cuts would likely cause debt to GDP ratio to increase.
 

ivwshane

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The "oppose everything Obama wants" seems to work both ways. There are some 171 job bills that the Senate refuses to vote on. It's better to just ignore that and go before the media every chance you get and cry obstructionism. It doesn't have to be true, you just have to get enough people to believe it and TADA, you are re-elected.

Lol! 171 job bills? Do you ever get tired of being lied to? Those "job" bills are nothing but deregulation bills and they wouldn't do squat for jobs.
 

Matt1970

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Our debt to GDP ratio was reduced almost entirely by economic growth. The ironic thing is that in this economic situation your proposed cuts would likely cause debt to GDP ratio to increase.

We were reducing spending.
US Budgets in Millions of Dollars
1941 13,653
1942 35,137
1943 78,555
1944 91,304
1945 92,712
1946 55,232
1947 34,496
1948 29,764
 

fskimospy

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We were reducing spending.
US Budgets in Millions of Dollars
1941 13,653
1942 35,137
1943 78,555
1944 91,304
1945 92,712
1946 55,232
1947 34,496
1948 29,764

It is almost like a war ended. None of this changes the fact that our debt to GDP ratio was almost entirely reduced due to growth in the denominator, not the numerator. This is simply a fact you must accept.

Austerity in a depressed economy is self defeating.
 

Matt1970

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It is almost like a war ended. None of this changes the fact that our debt to GDP ratio was almost entirely reduced due to growth in the denominator, not the numerator. This is simply a fact you must accept.

Austerity in a depressed economy is self defeating.

Having a problem with that reality thing again. The war was over in 1945.
 

fskimospy

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Having a problem with that reality thing again. The war was over in 1945.

Hey look, another thing you opened your mouth about that you don't understand.

Use this handy tool:
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_1945USbn_15bs2n#usgs302

Tell me where the spending decreases came from. Most importantly, let me know what percentage of the difference in government spending between 1945 and 1948 is attributable to declines in defense spending. Then compare that to changes in spending for everything else.

lol.
 

Matt1970

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Hey look, another thing you opened your mouth about that you don't understand.

Use this handy tool:
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_1945USbn_15bs2n#usgs302

Tell me where the spending decreases came from. Most importantly, let me know what percentage of the difference in government spending between 1945 and 1948 is attributable to declines in defense spending. Then compare that to changes in spending for everything else.

lol.

Your chart conflicts with the numbers I got off the White House site. Whitehouse claims the total budget for 1946 was $55 Billion where yours claims $66 Billion. So which is it now, was our massive reduction in debt to GDP ratio due to cuts in military spending or was it almost entirely by economic growth.

"lol"
 

fskimospy

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Your chart conflicts with the numbers I got off the White House site. Whitehouse claims the total budget for 1946 was $55 Billion where yours claims $66 Billion. So which is it now, was our massive reduction in debt to GDP ratio due to cuts in military spending or was it almost entirely by economic growth.

"lol"

This is so inept it is almost comical. You are confusing the year to year budget with our debt to GDP ratio. Our reductions in deficits came almost entirely from cuts in defense spending, as I already showed you.

Now if you're talking debt to GDP ratio, that can only be improved by decreasing the numerator (budget surplus) or by increasing the denominator (economic growth). Our reduction came almost entirely through number two.

You seriously are clueless, aren't you.
 

Matt1970

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This is so inept it is almost comical. You are confusing the year to year budget with our debt to GDP ratio. Our reductions in deficits came almost entirely from cuts in defense spending, as I already showed you.

Now if you're talking debt to GDP ratio, that can only be improved by decreasing the numerator (budget surplus) or by increasing the denominator (economic growth). Our reduction came almost entirely through number two.

You seriously are clueless, aren't you.

Oh bullshit. The reason we had such a high debt to GDP ratio was because of the war spending. You have to cut spending or you just pile on more debt increasing the debt to GDP ratio. You have to plug the leak before you start cleaning up the water.
 

fskimospy

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Oh bullshit. The reason we had such a high debt to GDP ratio was because of the war spending. You have to cut spending or you just pile on more debt increasing the debt to GDP ratio. You have to plug the leak before you start cleaning up the water.

Lol. You aren't very good at admitting you're wrong.
 

Matt1970

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Lol. You aren't very good at admitting you're wrong.

I am the one who was wrong?" You are the one who said we reduced our debt to GDP ratio almost entirely by economic growth which if we never reduced our war spending levels would have taken a very, very long time, if ever. Understand now?
 

fskimospy

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I am the one who was wrong?" You are the one who said we reduced our debt to GDP ratio almost entirely by economic growth which if we never reduced our war spending levels would have taken a very, very long time, if ever. Understand now?

So now you're backpedaling on both points instead of just the nature of the spending cuts after the war.
 

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I am the one who was wrong?" You are the one who said we reduced our debt to GDP ratio almost entirely by economic growth which if we never reduced our war spending levels would have taken a very, very long time, if ever. Understand now?

lol
 
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