Obama's Muslim Faith

[evident]

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: andy04
OMG you left loons here @ AT will stop at nothing. He himself admits it and you still try to make yourself believe that hes no muslim. Greatest kool-aid ever made... thats the power of the devil.
Several times I have tried to point ot that his father is muslim, he still has a muslim middle name and that DOES make him muslim too... It a universal natural fact. Even if you are able to fool urself to believe otherwise you will eventually one day came back to your roots.

i think he met his father twice in his life. he was raised mostly by his mom and grandparents. he went to a catholic school in indonesia then went to public school there for a bit, then hs in oahu. how does that make him a muslim?

maybe for once i want to believe in his words. Say his full name... It does literally mean Barack "Beautiful" Obama, BUT it also does signify something. If his father has no effect on his life why did he still keep that middle name?

Why not? I don't see why the he would change his name because his father wasn't in his life. There are many people who come to the USA with ethnic names, and many decide to keep their names and even name their children ethnic names as well. he may be proud of his half kenyan heritage and decide to keep his name. does that make him a muslim though??

 

[andy04]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: andy04

maybe for once i want to believe in his words. Say his full name... It does literally mean Barack "Beautiful" Obama, BUT it also does signify something. If his father has no effect on his life why did he still keep that middle name?

I'm guessing that you can't be an atheist then if your name is James using your twisted logic?

Atheist does not believe in any supreme power. Here we are discussing choice of one over another. Do you have the grey matter?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: andy04
OMG you left loons here @ AT will stop at nothing. He himself admits it and you still try to make yourself believe that hes no muslim. Greatest kool-aid ever made... thats the power of the devil.
Several times I have tried to point ot that his father is muslim, he still has a muslim middle name and that DOES make him muslim too... It a universal natural fact. Even if you are able to fool urself to believe otherwise you will eventually one day came back to your roots.

You can't be a real person.

I am being realistic. Only those who keep their faith strong and dont go with the devil will survive the apocalypse. Sleep off your kool-aid b4 its too late

I'm pretty sure you're just trolling, but on the off chance you arent... seek help immediately.

 

[andy04]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: andy04
OMG you left loons here @ AT will stop at nothing. He himself admits it and you still try to make yourself believe that hes no muslim. Greatest kool-aid ever made... thats the power of the devil.
Several times I have tried to point ot that his father is muslim, he still has a muslim middle name and that DOES make him muslim too... It a universal natural fact. Even if you are able to fool urself to believe otherwise you will eventually one day came back to your roots.

i think he met his father twice in his life. he was raised mostly by his mom and grandparents. he went to a catholic school in indonesia then went to public school there for a bit, then hs in oahu. how does that make him a muslim?

maybe for once i want to believe in his words. Say his full name... It does literally mean Barack "Beautiful" Obama, BUT it also does signify something. If his father has no effect on his life why did he still keep that middle name?

Why not? I don't see why the he would change his name because his father wasn't in his life. There are many people who come to the USA with ethnic names, and many decide to keep their names and even name their children ethnic names as well. he may be proud of his half kenyan heritage and decide to keep his name. does that make him a muslim though??

I remember some of them camping outside McDees in head scarves and whining that they were not allowed to work in there, I dont think they were fully proud to be Americans just like BHO's wife

 

[NoStateofMind]

It wouldn't matter to me if Obama came out and said "I am a Muslim". Makes no difference.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: andy04

maybe for once i want to believe in his words. Say his full name... It does literally mean Barack "Beautiful" Obama, BUT it also does signify something. If his father has no effect on his life why did he still keep that middle name?

I'm guessing that you can't be an atheist then if your name is James using your twisted logic?

Atheist does not believe in any supreme power. Here we are discussing choice of one over another. Do you have the grey matter?

Obviously I have more than you.

You are claiming that a name belongs to a religion and that if that religion has no bearing on your life, you would not use that name.

Do I need to break down your stupidity on a more granular level?

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: lupi

Anyone with 2 brain cells wouldn't post or link half the crap you do; yet our murdering soldiers are looking forwards to today's edition!

Guess that excludes you, lupi. :laugh:

But if you're so concerned about our troops, why aren't you pissed at your Traitor In Chief? As of 9/5/08, he and his cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals and war profiteers have murdered 4,155 of them in their war of LIES in Iraq, and left tens of thousands more American troops wounded, scarred and disabled for life.

And why aren't you pissed at his clone, John McCain, a putz who was one of the first to PIMP the Bushwhackos' war of LIES? Even your single brain cell should remember, he's the same jackass who brags about voting with your Traitor In Chief 90% of the time and keeps promising more of the same, Yet, he the same jackass who voted against funding adequate treatment for those troops who weren't patriotic enough to die, instead of coming home to burden us with their need for extensive care.

Oh look, JPs hack halfbrother. A nice post of partisan half truths and sensationalization. So how was that vet health care during truman, kenedy, lbj, carter, or clinton?

As for the rest of your delusions of grandeur, those men that your brethren refer to in such glowing terms as coward or murderer, volunteered to do their opportunity to improve their country. You should try that some day, being part of the solution vice part of the problem.

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: andy04
OMG you left loons here @ AT will stop at nothing. He himself admits it and you still try to make yourself believe that hes no muslim. Greatest kool-aid ever made... thats the power of the devil.
Several times I have tried to point ot that his father is muslim, he still has a muslim middle name and that DOES make him muslim too... It a universal natural fact. Even if you are able to fool urself to believe otherwise you will eventually one day came back to your roots.

i think he met his father twice in his life. he was raised mostly by his mom and grandparents. he went to a catholic school in indonesia then went to public school there for a bit, then hs in oahu. how does that make him a muslim?

maybe for once i want to believe in his words. Say his full name... It does literally mean Barack "Beautiful" Obama, BUT it also does signify something. If his father has no effect on his life why did he still keep that middle name?

Why not? I don't see why the he would change his name because his father wasn't in his life. There are many people who come to the USA with ethnic names, and many decide to keep their names and even name their children ethnic names as well. he may be proud of his half kenyan heritage and decide to keep his name. does that make him a muslim though??

I remember some of them camping outside McDees in head scarves and whining that they were not allowed to work in there, I dont think they were fully proud to be Americans just like BHO's wife

eh, you can make up all the shit you want. people who come to this country are mostly greatful for the opportunities presented here, but they also bring with them their own cultures as well. you have a very simple minded view of immigrants in this country :thumbsdown: and im tired of explaining simple concepts but unfortunately imbiciles like you can't even comprehend and look over simple things like a name.

 

[andy04]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: andy04

maybe for once i want to believe in his words. Say his full name... It does literally mean Barack "Beautiful" Obama, BUT it also does signify something. If his father has no effect on his life why did he still keep that middle name?

I'm guessing that you can't be an atheist then if your name is James using your twisted logic?

Atheist does not believe in any supreme power. Here we are discussing choice of one over another. Do you have the grey matter?

Obviously I have more than you.

You are claiming that a name belongs to a religion and that if that religion has no bearing on your life, you would not use that name.

Do I need to break down your stupidity on a more granular level?

This is a totally new point. you did not quantify ur 1st. My point is that your 1st Logic was seriously flawed.
On ur second point, If i were to convert to another religion I would definitely change any name that I have specific to my previous religion

 

[andy04]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: andy04
OMG you left loons here @ AT will stop at nothing. He himself admits it and you still try to make yourself believe that hes no muslim. Greatest kool-aid ever made... thats the power of the devil.
Several times I have tried to point ot that his father is muslim, he still has a muslim middle name and that DOES make him muslim too... It a universal natural fact. Even if you are able to fool urself to believe otherwise you will eventually one day came back to your roots.

i think he met his father twice in his life. he was raised mostly by his mom and grandparents. he went to a catholic school in indonesia then went to public school there for a bit, then hs in oahu. how does that make him a muslim?

maybe for once i want to believe in his words. Say his full name... It does literally mean Barack "Beautiful" Obama, BUT it also does signify something. If his father has no effect on his life why did he still keep that middle name?

Why not? I don't see why the he would change his name because his father wasn't in his life. There are many people who come to the USA with ethnic names, and many decide to keep their names and even name their children ethnic names as well. he may be proud of his half kenyan heritage and decide to keep his name. does that make him a muslim though??

I remember some of them camping outside McDees in head scarves and whining that they were not allowed to work in there, I dont think they were fully proud to be Americans just like BHO's wife

eh, you can make up all the shit you want. people who come to this country are mostly greatful for the opportunities presented here, but they also bring with them their own cultures as well. you have a very simple minded view of immigrants in this country :thumbsdown: and im tired of explaining simple concepts but unfortunately imbiciles like you can't even comprehend and look over simple things like a name.

When you are running to be the direct head to the world's strongest military, which you can control without having to ask or answer the congress, Yes everything small thing matters, we are already seeing what happens if we ignore small details like someone's record in military school or IQ

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: andy04
OMG you left loons here @ AT will stop at nothing. He himself admits it and you still try to make yourself believe that hes no muslim. Greatest kool-aid ever made... thats the power of the devil.
Several times I have tried to point ot that his father is muslim, he still has a muslim middle name and that DOES make him muslim too... It a universal natural fact. Even if you are able to fool urself to believe otherwise you will eventually one day came back to your roots.

i think he met his father twice in his life. he was raised mostly by his mom and grandparents. he went to a catholic school in indonesia then went to public school there for a bit, then hs in oahu. how does that make him a muslim?

maybe for once i want to believe in his words. Say his full name... It does literally mean Barack "Beautiful" Obama, BUT it also does signify something. If his father has no effect on his life why did he still keep that middle name?

Why not? I don't see why the he would change his name because his father wasn't in his life. There are many people who come to the USA with ethnic names, and many decide to keep their names and even name their children ethnic names as well. he may be proud of his half kenyan heritage and decide to keep his name. does that make him a muslim though??

I remember some of them camping outside McDees in head scarves and whining that they were not allowed to work in there, I dont think they were fully proud to be Americans just like BHO's wife

jpeyton's bizzaro twin, is that you??

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: andy04

I remember some of them camping outside McDees in head scarves and whining that they were not allowed to work in there, I dont think they were fully proud to be Americans just like BHO's wife

jpeyton's bizzaro twin, is that you??

He's the Ying of JP's Yang

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: andy04

maybe for once i want to believe in his words. Say his full name... It does literally mean Barack "Beautiful" Obama, BUT it also does signify something. If his father has no effect on his life why did he still keep that middle name?

I'm guessing that you can't be an atheist then if your name is James using your twisted logic?

Atheist does not believe in any supreme power. Here we are discussing choice of one over another. Do you have the grey matter?

Obviously I have more than you.

<You are claiming that a name belongs to a religion and that if that religion has no bearing on your life, you would not use that name.

Do I need to break down your stupidity on a more granular level?

This is a totally new point. you did not quantify ur 1st. My point is that your 1st Logic was seriously flawed.
On ur second point, If i were to convert to another religion I would definitely change any name that I have specific to my previous religion

How is it a new point? Your post that I initially replied to stated that he should have changed his name unless the name had meaning to him. With that, you are implying that the name is associated with the religion and he is accepting that association by keeping the name.

Using that as the basis, my "1st" logic (which is the only logic I have employed in this exchange) is that an atheist cannot use the name James because of the association with Christianity that he would be accepting by keeping the name.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: andy04
OMG you left loons here @ AT will stop at nothing. He himself admits it and you still try to make yourself believe that hes no muslim. Greatest kool-aid ever made... thats the power of the devil.

Several times I have tried to point ot that his father is muslim, he still has a muslim middle name and that DOES make him muslim too... It a universal natural fact. Even if you are able to fool urself to believe otherwise you will eventually one day came back to your roots.

You really think that people are so unable to think for themselves that the very fact that one receives a Muslim name is enough to force them to become devout one day later on in their lives? That's a really nutty statement you just made.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: lupi

Oh look, JPs hack halfbrother. A nice post of partisan half truths and sensualizations.

If I repost the full list of the Bushwhackos' crimes, including TREASON, MURDER, LYING TO CONGRESS, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, TORTURE and other WAR CRIMES, including links and documentation supporting those charges, you'd just piss and moan that I was reposting one of my "macros." I can do it, or you can find them in one of my previous posts and try to refute them.

Here... I'll save you the trouble of searching... See my post from 08/29/2008 07:43 PM PDT.

Those are not HALF truths. They're 100% truth. Refute them, or :lips: my (_!_).

Now, about your choice of the word, sensualization...

[Main Entry: sen·su·al·ize
Pronunciation: \'sen(t)-sh(?-)w?-?liz, 'sen-sh?-?liz\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): sen·su·al·ized; sen·su·al·iz·ing
Date: circa 1687

: to make sensual

? sen·su·al·i·za·tion \?sen(t)-sh(?-)w?-l?-'za-sh?n, ?sen-sh?-l?-\ noun

Are you hitting on me, or are you just confirming you're functionally illiterate? :laugh:

 

[Vic]

Isn't it strange that no one has questioned the religious faith of the white candidate despite the fact the he isn't particularly religious while Obama is a devout Christian? And that the Christian fundies and zealots are flocking to this secular white candidate?

I'm sure racism has NOTHING to do with that... :roll:

 

[ultra laser]

Obama went to a radical militant Black church, a kind that most Americans have nothing to do with.

Read up on James Cone's Black Liberation Theology to get a full grasp of Obama's distance from normal American Christians.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: andy04
OMG you left loons here @ AT will stop at nothing. He himself admits it and you still try to make yourself believe that hes no muslim. Greatest kool-aid ever made... thats the power of the devil.

Several times I have tried to point ot that his father is muslim, he still has a muslim middle name and that DOES make him muslim too... It a universal natural fact. Even if you are able to fool urself to believe otherwise you will eventually one day came back to your roots.

You really think that people are so unable to think for themselves that the very fact that one receives a Muslim name is enough to force them to become devout one day later on in their lives? That's a really nutty statement you just made.

It's true, sadly, since I have a Greek name I have found myself unable to break away from worshiping the gods of Mount Olympus

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: ultra laser
Obama went to a radical militant Black church, a kind that most Americans have nothing to do with.

Read up on James Cone's Black Liberation Theology to get a full grasp of Obama's distance from normal American Christians.

I smell a plant.

First and foremost, there are and were white members at Trinity. Secondly, you are trying to insinuate that a sense of pride in your culture and a desire to help those within your culture that are struggling indicate a desire for militant action.

Using that same guilt by association, can we then claim that Palin is a devout homophobe that is desiring to convert all Jews to Christianity and is willing hoping for the end times? After all, those are some of the messages that her church is peddling.

Edit: Please list in detail the militant actions that have been performed by or endorsed by Trinity United Methodist Church. After all, you are making the claim...let's see your work.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Vic

And that the Christian fundies and zealots are flocking to this secular white candidate?

I know some very nice, very rational people who happen to identify themselves Muslims. I'd vote for any of them for public office before I'd vote for anyone who stated they would use their office to implement a brainless religion-based agenda on our secular society.

I'm sure racism has NOTHING to do with that... :roll:

Bigotry isn't restricted to race. It crosses many lines, and it's as stupid in one form as it is in any other.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ultra laser
Obama went to a radical militant Black church, a kind that most Americans have nothing to do with.

Read up on James Cone's Black Liberation Theology to get a full grasp of Obama's distance from normal American Christians.

It's the United Church of Christ, a mainline Protestant sect with millions of members in America. The only thing that differentiates them from other evangelical sects in America is that they are actually tolerant towards blacks and gays.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: ultra laser
Obama went to a radical militant Black church, a kind that most Americans have nothing to do with.

Read up on James Cone's Black Liberation Theology to get a full grasp of Obama's distance from normal American Christians.

You are posting in a forum most Americans have nothing to do with. Read up on posts by ultra laser to get a full grasp of his deep stupidity and distance from normal people.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: lupi

As for the rest of your delusions of grandeur, those men that your brethren refer to in such glowing terms as coward or murderer, volunteered to do their opportunity to improve their country.

I don't know WTF you're talking about. If you can point me to some post where I said that about any American troops, show me. If you can't, please STFU, at least until you have some a grasp on some slender thread of reality.

OTOH, if you're referring to your Traitor In Chief and his gang of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals, war profiteers and all around incompetent liars, I can repost one of my macros documenting their crimes at any time, and I repeat the request that you refute them. If you can't, you're blowing smoke.

You should try that some day, being part of the solution vice part of the problem.

Your ignorance is astounding. Again, you should do your homework before calling me out on anything. This time, try searching for any of my posts where I've made it very well known that I was in the U.S. Army Reserves for six years, and the only reason I didn't end up in Vietnam was because my enlistment was up a few months before my unit shipped out.

When you're through trying to refute my list of the Bushwhackos' crimes, you can tell us what YOU've done to put yourself on the line for our nation.
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[lupi]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: lupi

As for the rest of your delusions of grandeur, those men that your brethren refer to in such glowing terms as coward or murderer, volunteered to do their opportunity to improve their country.

I don't know WTF you're talking about. If you can point me to some post where I said that about any American troops, show me. If you can't, please STFU, at least until you have some a grasp on some slender thread of reality.

For the comprehension challenged.

When you're through trying to refute my list of the Bushwhackos' crimes, you can tell us what YOU've done to put yourself on the line for our nation.

I've got a presidential unit citation for my part, I'd call that decent work.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: lupi

For the comprehension challenged.

For the short term memory challenged:

When you're through trying to refute my list of the Bushwhackos' crimes, you can tell us what YOU've done to put yourself on the line for our nation.
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I've got a presidential unit citation for my part, I'd call that decent work.

For your part in what?

Were you in the military? Did you receive a personal citation? What was it for?