Oblivion finally benchmarked!

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
i think this is somewhat useful in comparing usable settings between different cards (tho it's still not my favorite testing methodology), but it certianly isn't an accurate way of determining whose e-penis is larger

LOL. Well if you see it this way m8 then every single benchmark is a "e-penis measurement". I would like to see what my x1900xt@xtx can do in straight comparison with Nvidia's solutions..
And if they didn't see a difference in IQ why did they use it in X1900XTX anyway?
You see now why I don't favor this kind of "selective" benchmarks?
And though it might not make the big diffrence if 7900gtx is clocked @670 it's still NOT a direct comparison.. It's not excuses, it's not a fair comparsion..

Settings aren't fair but choice of cards is. I'd like to see how the X1900XTX performs at the same settings myself. If the X1900XTX was OC'd out of the box and the 7900GTX was reference clocked joker et al wouldn't complain about it. If ATI allowed it's board partners more freedom with clock settings you'd see factory oc's on ATI cards more often.

Since it's playable @ 1280x1024 @ Ultra High (with ini tweaks for better scenery) on a 7800GT setup i'm not complaining.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

1. It's an overclocked GTX and not a stock one which would lose even worse.

it's a GTX clocked at 670mhz. other brands (XFX is an example) clock at 700mhz. so maybe i should (like you) just take the ball and run and state the xtx would lose to the the 700mhz part (even tho that would be inaccurate on my part, as it would simply be speculation)?

And overclocked versions cost more. You claimed that the 7900GTX is cheaper than the XTX. Which is not only not true, but overclocked versions of the 7900GTX cost more than the stock clocked versions. Making the price difference even more so between the XTX and 7900GTX. The XTX is cheaper (as of now) and faster, with higher settings. I think its pretty obvious which card is better for Oblivion.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: mazeroth

it's pretty pathetic when ppl have to grasp at every little straw to try and claim an advantage. while i'd have to agree the xtx has an edge (also cost more, btw), the reality is they offer the same gameplay and same iq (tho you have to "suffer" with a little lighter grass texture if you have a GTX).

Actually, the 7900 GTX is CONSIDERABLY more expensive than the X1900XT. Yes, I know the review used the X1900XTX, but I've never seen an X1900XT that can't reach XTX speeds, ever. The X1900XT can be had for $100 less than a 7900 GTX, so the comparison is way more in favor of the ATI. No, I'm not a fan of either as I have a 7800GT and an X1900XT.

I'd have to agree with this. I don't have a horse in this race either, I play on the 360.

did Rolloo change his name to CaiNam?. This guy won't give any credit to ATI no matter what the benchmarks say.

 

[professor1942]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

And overclocked versions cost more.

Not the XFX, at least not here (Canada) - it's the cheapest one around @675/1700... and only $30 more than the X1900XT.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
And overclocked versions cost more. You claimed that the 7900GTX is cheaper than the XTX. Which is not only not true, but overclocked versions of the 7900GTX cost more than the stock clocked versions. Making the price difference even more so between the XTX and 7900GTX. The XTX is cheaper (as of now) and faster, with higher settings. I think its pretty obvious which card is better for Oblivion.

you can find much higher prices XTX's as well.. but actually in a following post I did in fact acknowledge that XTX prices are coming down and good deals can be found.

if you want to put into context which card is better in oblivion, i would say that between the 7900GTX and X1900XTX tested, the XTX is the better card - I have no problem with that. those cards with current drivers and current game revision, the XTX has higher avg framerate in the areas tested while using slightly higher settings. the article stated as much, and I have nothing that would refute that.

that wasn't however, the point of my posts.

Originally posted by: Todd33
Actually, the 7900 GTX is CONSIDERABLY more expensive than the X1900XT. Yes, I know the review used the X1900XTX, but I've never seen an X1900XT that can't reach XTX speeds, ever. The X1900XT can be had for $100 less than a 7900 GTX, so the comparison is way more in favor of the ATI. No, I'm not a fan of either as I have a 7800GT and an X1900XT.

I'd have to agree with this. I don't have a horse in this race either, I play on the 360.

did Rolloo change his name to CaiNam?. This guy won't give any credit to ATI no matter what the benchmarks say.[/quote]

well, i've certainly been here far longer than you, and if you can say i "won't give any credit to ati no matter what", then you obviously lack reading skills or simply pick and choose what i write.

as far as "credit", i have an XT in my main rig, so i've given ati credit of the utmost regard: my cash. can't get much better than that.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: professor1942

Originally posted by: Ackmed

And overclocked versions cost more.

Not the XFX, at least not here (Canada) - it's the cheapest one around @675/1700... and only $30 more than the X1900XT.

Im talking about overclocked versions of the 7900GTX cost more than the stock clocked versions. Even so, the GTX still costs more than the XTX. So either way, he is wrong, the XTX is cheaper.

Also, he was talking about the 700Mhz version, not the 675Mhz version. On newegg, the XFX 700Mhz core he mentioned if $595 (and out of stock) compared to the stock clocked version, which is $525. You see, some people like to use the lowest price card when talking about prices, then use the highest clocked version, when talking about speed. It doesnt work that way.

Bi-tech used a BFG version, which is $565 on newegg. And the Sapphire XTX they used is $505 on newegg. The XTX is cheaper, and faster. Seems like a win/win to me. Not to mention the HQ AF.

edit;

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
you can find much higher prices XTX's as well.. but actually in a following post I did in fact acknowledge that XTX prices are coming down and good deals can be found.

Why would you want to find higher prices? Im going by newegg, which is probably the biggest e-store. The XTX is cheaper, and actually available. They have 14 XTX's, all in stock. And just 10 7900GTX, with just one in stock.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Yup.. Need more OGL like Riddick for nV to shine....that was one on my top 3 games last couple years..Until nV addresses thier lack of D3D, shimmering and shader performance they will continue to rank second best with those informed.

I think its a crapshoot with either, they both have their own issues, you just have to pick which ones are most important to you within your price range.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
you can find much higher prices XTX's as well.. but actually in a following post I did in fact acknowledge that XTX prices are coming down and good deals can be found.

Why would you want to find higher prices? Im going by newegg, which is probably the biggest e-store. The XTX is cheaper, and actually available. They have 14 XTX's, all in stock. And just 10 7900GTX, with just one in stock.

i said there are higher prices ones as well, not that i wanted one. and again, with prices coming down, the XTX is not more expensive. nothing for you to argue with me there.

your reply does bring up a question tho.. how come everyone is buying the GTX's (no one can seem to keep them in stock), and they just can't seem to give the XTX's away (everyone seems to be overstocked and running firesale prices)?

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
well really, isn't it? if they both perform similarly and give the user the same "experience", then does it really matter which is 5fps faster than the other?

Well it might not matter if we are talking about a game tha t averages @50-60fps but it does matter a lot when a game avarages at 25-35fps, don't you agree? Proportionally it's a much higher percentage difference and min fps play also very important role at such low average fps..

i don't know. you would have to ask them. maybe they left it cause it made no difference in perfomance, maybe they are biased against ati and are nv fanboys? only they would know for certain...

I didn't went that far as to call them fanboys for Christ sake.. I just stated that this is the fallacy of those benchmarks, consequently that's why I don't favor this methodology that's all..

then what is? one clocked at 700mhz? they compare a bfg 7900gtx at it's shipping clockspeed. what's unfair about that?

What does it matter if it's clocked from the manufacturer? Are these the official stock clocks of the 7900gtx? No. Now if you see it as benchmarking a GTX overlocked version with the XTX it's fine, I don't have a problem, but we have to state that it's an o/ced card don't we?

at any rate, i don't put too much into any single benchmark from a single site. i tend to look at multiple review and benchmarks, read the editorials as well.. then make a decision. often times i won't even reach a conclusion until i get to test these myself (which is why i had both x800 and 6800 last generation).

Of course you should base your opinions on a variety of benchmarks to make your judgement. I don't disagree with anything here..

P.S Todd33 wtf m8? Confusing Cainam with Rollo and you're here from 03?

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
you can find much higher prices XTX's as well.. but actually in a following post I did in fact acknowledge that XTX prices are coming down and good deals can be found.

Why would you want to find higher prices? Im going by newegg, which is probably the biggest e-store. The XTX is cheaper, and actually available. They have 14 XTX's, all in stock. And just 10 7900GTX, with just one in stock.

i said there are higher prices ones as well, not that i wanted one. and again, with prices coming down, the XTX is not more expensive. nothing for you to argue with me there.

your reply does bring up a question tho.. how come everyone is buying the GTX's (no one can seem to keep them in stock), and they just can't seem to give the XTX's away (everyone seems to be overstocked and running firesale prices)?

Perhaps because ATI can actually SUPPLY the retailers with some cards.......... MOST people would take an XTX over a GTX anyday. I should make a poll about it.........

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

your reply does bring up a question tho.. how come everyone is buying the GTX's (no one can seem to keep them in stock), and they just can't seem to give the XTX's away (everyone seems to be overstocked and running firesale prices)?

Lots of people are buying XT's. Just because they have them in stock, doesnt mean they arent selling.

Look at the 7800GT/GTX launch. They sold like hot cakes, yet they were never out of stock. And the prices dropped a lot within a month after they came out. Just like the X1900 launch.

To me, it looks like just with the 7800GTX 512MB, for whatever reason, NV couldnt make enough GPU's. I dont think they've nearly as many at the same time point, that they did with the 7800GT/GTX after launch.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
how come everyone is buying the GTX's (no one can seem to keep them in stock), and they just can't seem to give the XTX's away (everyone seems to be overstocked and running firesale prices)?

Perhaps Nvidia is experiencing production problems and ATI isn't?

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
you can find much higher prices XTX's as well.. but actually in a following post I did in fact acknowledge that XTX prices are coming down and good deals can be found.

Why would you want to find higher prices? Im going by newegg, which is probably the biggest e-store. The XTX is cheaper, and actually available. They have 14 XTX's, all in stock. And just 10 7900GTX, with just one in stock.

i said there are higher prices ones as well, not that i wanted one. and again, with prices coming down, the XTX is not more expensive. nothing for you to argue with me there.

your reply does bring up a question tho.. how come everyone is buying the GTX's (no one can seem to keep them in stock), and they just can't seem to give the XTX's away (everyone seems to be overstocked and running firesale prices)?

Perhaps because ATI can actually SUPPLY the retailers with some cards.......... MOST people would take an XTX over a GTX anyday. I should make a poll about it.........

That is true. If you're not a fanboy, ceteris paribus, performance/price wise especially XT and XTX too is the way to go IMO this round..
I had two consecutive Nvidia gpus because I found the 6800gt and 7800gtx the best cards for their money when they were out.. Now I saw that ATI had to offer me more things so I went this way. But that's just me, I may have a twisted way of viewing things

 

[apoppin]

i am beginning to think something is seriously wrong with you guys . . .
:Q

Just PLAY the damn game . . .
:shocked:

if it is not to your satisfaction then UPgrade . . . even an ATi x850xt or nVidia 6800GT is plenty to handle Oblivion at lower resolutions and with high detail . . . the game is also a bit buggy with the maximum effects turned on . . . so comparisons are pretty useless at this point.

So this discussion is going NOwhere [as usual]

Don't bother to reply to me . . . i will be PLAYING Oblivion and could care less what you think of how much i am enjoying it.
:roll:

iit is far better to PLAY Oblivion then to waste time talking about it

aloha

 

[Doom Machine]

turn on supersampling max aa/af and turn off filters, set to high quality and maybe notch up the lod in drivers and watch a 7900gtx oc'ed crumble with 10-15fps, less if there several npc's in it....looks awesome though
i've always been loyal to nvidia since the tnt card and hell i'll even say nvidia sucks..ati always kicks its butt

 

[CaiNaM]

ok.. you guys do know i'm just stirring the shiite regarding the supply thing just to see who bites, right?

tho i do think the 7900's are selling well, i've no doubt ati is selling some cards too (i bought one, after all).

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
ok.. you guys do know i'm just stirring the shiite regarding the supply thing just to see who bites, right?

tho i do think the 7900's are selling well, i've no doubt ati is selling some cards too (i bought one, after all).

well i know you aren't playing Oblivion

excuse me . . . i have somewhere to be

peace 'n aloha
[warren peace]

 

[CaiNaM]

i'm kinda stuck in a spot....

 

[Drostie]

I'm an nVidia fanboy and I've got to agree that it looks like ATi won the Oblivion benchmark by far. I'd echo others's complaints -- I'd rather see a standard set of features used to render the benchmark for all the cards, instead of the normal craziness.

And I'm not comfortable with seeing benchmarks applied to such a procedurally-generated landscape. I mean, there are nonrandom ways to generate procedural foliage; but I'm not sure that Bethesda bothered with these. (I guess someone should try snapping a screenshot of the grass patterns outside the sewers, run around the Imperial City once, snap another screenshot of the same place and compare 'em?)

I'm not really an enthusiast-class gamer, so I'm not really planning on wasting my money on either card at the moment. With some compromises -- 1024x768, bloom and not HDR, no AA, and maybe some others -- this game runs plenty nice on my old 6600 GT.

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: jim1976

That is true. If you're not a fanboy, ceteris paribus, performance/price wise especially XT and XTX too is the way to go IMO this round..
I had two consecutive Nvidia gpus because I found the 6800gt and 7800gtx the best cards for their money when they were out.. Now I saw that ATI had to offer me more things so I went this way. But that's just me, I may have a twisted way of viewing things

I agree. I've always bought the card(s) that perfomed the best at the time, which seems like the most logical course. You don't gain anything from being loyal to one company and one company only. ATI takes it this round IMO.


So I'm a little confused as to why no other sites have benched Oblivion yet?? It's one of the most anticipated games to come out for awhile and I'd expect the review sites to be all over it.

 

[AMDxx165xxfx60]

i have a 7800 GT OC with a 2.5 opty 165 and i'm digging it , but all said n done, i'd rather have more FPS then higher textures

 

[moonboy403]

i'm loving oblivion with my gtx sli setup

but vsync really kills the framerates for me

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
how come everyone is buying the GTX's (no one can seem to keep them in stock), and they just can't seem to give the XTX's away (everyone seems to be overstocked and running firesale prices)?

Perhaps Nvidia is experiencing production problems and ATI isn't?

They are experiencing high demand unlike ATi.The production/yields are fine because not only they produce twice the number per wafer compared to the R580, there are NO heat propblems or power leakages meaning they successfully transistioned to 90nm process without having issues unlike ATi.

 

[Ackmed]

Typical bias response. I guess NV was not experiencing high demand back with the 6800U, and ATi was with the X800XT/PE. According to your logic, thats how it works.

As I said before, NV didnt have this problem with the 7800GT/GTX launch. They never sold out, and prices dropped, not increased due to lack of cards. They were in very high demand as well, yet none of the current problems now, were back then. Thus, your arguement is false.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
ok.. you guys do know i'm just stirring the shiite regarding the supply thing just to see who bites, right?

tho i do think the 7900's are selling well, i've no doubt ati is selling some cards too (i bought one, after all).

OMG just shutup, I read all of your responses and you point to IQ without talking about FPS.

It DOES matter if they used grass shaders the performance hit is around 5-6% and when a game averages 15-60 FPS that matters a TON! If you do not believe me run the FRIEKING game with them on and off! If you cannot do this then try google! If you still do not understand then please stop posting.