I do live in a middle class area, so that's one reason. I've been to stores like whole foods and it's a much different type of experience. People who shop there are usually fit. They have money to spend on organic produce. It is not cheap.
welcome to 50 years ago whats new?
i think you just shop at the wrong stores? However I have talked to people who have lost toes from diabetes and they still continue to eat mcdonalds with apple pies and diet coke. ;( most people would rather take pills then eat healthy i would agree. ((im not sure what fat peps are washing their car every week i never wash mine and am thin!))
So is butter good or bad this week? How about eggs? Red wine? Coffee? Medical "science" changes the standard of what is healthy every 3-4 years. I'm not sure it's fair of you to judge my eating habits just because your "research" is more current. Nutrition and health has too much pseudo-science and cult like fanaticism for me to take what you believe seriously. I'll keep eating a variety of foods that I enjoy in moderation and enjoy being healthy instead of agonizing about every calorie and gram of fat and spending every spare moment at the gym for the same result. For the record I don't have any chronic pain that affects the way I walk, if I walk like an old man, it's because I'm an old man, not because of pain.
I do appreciate your concern for my well being, and I'm glad I can be a source of motivation to keep you on your one true path.
Seems kinda silly for the author to attribute all her family's health issues to their Sunday McDonalds routine (hamburgers and McChicken).
Do we *actually* "know better now?" I've been hearing contradictory statements about butter vs margarine for my entire life.... Margarine was once thought of as being a healthier alternative to butter in the 1980s. We know better now.
This is such bullshit.
Everyone has the means to eat healthy. It's not expensive. That is a huge misconception.
You could cook a healthy meal consisting of chicken and a salad for 3-4 people for the price of one value meal at McDonalds.
People are just lazy as shit and don't want to do it, because they are lazy as shit.
Who said rice is unhealthy?Eating healthy is not cheaper. That's just nonsense. Usually "healthy" means replacing dirt cheap grains with a filler vegetable, like broccoli, green beans, or whatever. And that won't ever be cheaper than buying a 5 lb bag of rice.
It's funny when I see carts in front of me checking out and they are chalk full of chips, 12 packs of soda, boxes of cookies, etc, and their bill is $200 - $250.As a middle aged man with wife and kids, eating clean is WAY cheaper than eating garbage. Especially when you can buy in bulk.
That includes fresh vegetables.
Heart attacks and diabetes are expensive. So are the meds you have to take the rest of your life.Eating healthy is not cheaper. That's just nonsense. Usually "healthy" means replacing dirt cheap grains with a filler vegetable, like broccoli, green beans, or whatever. And that won't ever be cheaper than buying a 5 lb bag of rice.
.As a middle aged man with wife and kids, eating clean is WAY cheaper than eating garbage. Especially when you can buy in bulk.
That includes fresh vegetables.
Yup.It's funny when I see carts in front of me checking out and they are chalk full of chips, 12 packs of soda, boxes of cookies, etc, and their bill is $200 - $250.
Then I ring up my cart and usually I have very little junk food other than some snacks for my son, and it's like $125 - $150.
Yup.
Buy simple. Buy in bulk.
20lb bag of rice. Big ole bag of brocolli or asparagus or peppers. Big ole package of chicken. Stick to plain old filtered water from the tap (we use big old berkey for water filtration) and some coffee beans in bulk.
you can not look at the facts and figure it out for yourself?Do we *actually* "know better now?" I've been hearing contradictory statements about butter vs margarine for my entire life.
Yea. Back a very long time ago doctors used to prescribe cigarettes to their patients. Margarine was once thought of as being a healthier alternative to butter in the 1980s. We know better now.
It also makes you feel great immediately because you're doing something good for your body. Just last year I ate doritos and a pint of ice cream. Total junk food. It felt great going down. But afterwards? I felt terrible. My joints were aching the next day. Mentally I was in a depressive funk. Sucks.
Corporate farmers pay scientist to design experiments that produce results that favor the product they produce. What makes me feel good is largely unrelated to facts because the so called facts are unreliable. What makes others feel good can vary from person to person. One friend says a vegan diet saved his life, another claims he'd be dead if he hadn't switched to an Atkins diet, both are still alive (but I did catch my vegan friend eating a piece of sausage a few weeks ago.)you can not look at the facts and figure it out for yourself?
I've seen contradictory statements of "fact" on different pages within the same issue of Men's Health magazine.you can not look at the facts and figure it out for yourself?
I've seen contradictory statements of "fact" on different pages within the same issue of Men's Health magazine.
SIgh OK i read for a few mins about butterCorporate farmers pay scientist to design experiments that produce results that favor the product they produce. What makes me feel good is largely unrelated to facts because the so called facts are unreliable. What makes others feel good can vary from person to person. One friend says a vegan diet saved his life, another claims he'd be dead if he hadn't switched to an Atkins diet, both are still alive (but I did catch my vegan friend eating a piece of sausage a few weeks ago.)
Are you sure we know better now? Tell me about the double blind studies that have been replicated dozens of times proving that dietary fads are not anything other than a placebo.
Have you considered that the aching joints and depression were the result of a nocebo effect?
I'm not saying you don't feel better when you eat "healthy" food or that you couldn't feel bad from eating "unhealthy" food, however... I was going to make a point, but it wouldn't matter, the truth is what you want it to be. Just let me live my life the way that makes me happy and I'll let you do what makes you happy.
Are people lazy? Yes. Are they incompetent at fixing palatable meals? Yes.This is such bullshit.
Everyone has the means to eat healthy. It's not expensive. That is a huge misconception.
You could cook a healthy meal consisting of chicken and a salad for 3-4 people for the price of one value meal at McDonalds.
People are just lazy as shit and don't want to do it, because they are lazy as shit.
You are looking at substance abusers. Getting clean of an addiction is tough sledding. And unfortunately, most are quite content to indulge their addiction right up until it kills them. I have a friend that had a double bypass in his 40's, he tried for a while after it, but he is right back to his old ways. He knows intellectually it is killing him, and making his quality of life crap. But he is an addict, and access to his "drug of choice" is ubiquitous and inexpensive. That is a hell of a monkey to keep off your back when it is everywhere you go, ready to jump on at a moment's notice.
So much this. Not to mention the post-meal cleanup......
The other angle here is the amount of time to prepare food. I am very aware of the time spent, buying bulk meat, freezing it, planning thawing, planning cooking. It is something to multi-task or divide attention away from other things. It is a concept that in reality, has its own costs on your free time and ability to spend that time elsewhere.
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When did spending time in life's necessitys become inconvenient?So much this. Not to mention the post-meal cleanup...
This is just factually wrong.Are people lazy? Yes. Are they incompetent at fixing palatable meals? Yes.
On the other hand if you pretend that eating healthy is not a much larger expense, then it is obvious to me that you are not buying food.
I did not write "value meal", I would never pay the premium for a soft drink and fries.
At the same time, eating healthy is absolutely not just about avoiding fat and sodium, which are both inexpensive.
I'm out of the equation though, because chicken makes no sense to me when turkey is so much cheaper and salad, I grow.
However, salad is not all that nutritious. Depends on what you put in it but the lettuce itself, is mostly water. Add spinach, okay now you have some B vitamins and iron, maybe. Otherwise salad is what idiots eat pretending they are eating healthy but just consuming more fiber.
High nutrient density fruits and vegetables are where it's at, and they are not inexpensive. A head of lettuce, is of no use in your nutrition unless your only problem is constipation.
You know absolutely nothing about nutrition or grocery store prices if you don't know that eating healthy costs, much, much more than empty calories.
I am not defending eating empty calories, just sayin' there are reasons why things are as they are, and got worse once idiots starting insisting on non-GMO and organic, so every acre of crop was lower yield, lower nutrition per dollar for the average person.
The other angle here is the amount of time to prepare food. I am very aware of the time spent, buying bulk meat, freezing it, planning thawing, planning cooking. It is something to multi-task or divide attention away from other things. It is a concept that in reality, has its own costs on your free time and ability to spend that time elsewhere.
You are clueless about nutrition if you don't realize that eating healthy costs at LEAST 3X as much unless you are growing it yourself and/or putting in labor worth the same difference.
Maybe that is worth it to do. Tough call being a slave to a healthy diet concept to add a few years to life while spending so much of that life being a slave to it.
It might be a wash, though personally I prefer being able to taste things in their native state rather than just the taste of salt and having it slide down the throat only because it was lubricated by fat... but make no mistake, eating healthy does cost more and not just a little more.
Remember, this topic is not about the price of things at McDonalds, it is about observations vs calorie price at a grocery store. I'd rather junk food didn't exist, but recognize why it does.