Obstetrics and Gynaecology - Semantics - WTF

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Then you are certainly a younger person. Decades ago when I began my career in medicine, it was called "O-B-GIN" by OB's themselves, other MD's, nurses, ancillary personnel....about everyone.

The move to saying it by its phonetic spelling O-B-G-Y-N began maybe 15 years ago or a bit more. And this was consistent in the various regions and hospitals I worked, including Walter Reed, Mass General, in Texas, Florida, Georgia, Vermont, New Hampshire, Kentucky, and a few other states.

Of course, using O-B-G-Y-N referred more to the department while using O-B-GIN referred to the MD and his/her field.

lol you seriously expect me to believe that it's the word "o-b-gin" is banal?

o-b-gin = an alcoholic beverage for an ob
o-b-gyn = gynocologist
o-b-g-y-n = gynocologist

unless you're spelling "gyn" (pronounced "guy'n" or "ghine") as "gin" (which is pronounced "jin"), i don't believe you.
 

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For eits - "O-B-Gin" is spelled as such for pronunciation purposes. Gin, Jin, whatever. It's just phonetic.

It is also apparent that it is a regional thing. I can verify that UPenn and UT Southwestern medical students and the associated hospitals do indeed say "O-B-Gin."
 

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Don't know who you've been talking to, but I've never heard it called OB-Gin, and my fiance is in med school.
 

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It is also apparent that it is a regional thing. I can verify that UPenn and UT Southwestern medical students and the associated hospitals do indeed say "O-B-Gin."
They are idiots and wrong. If they knew how to properly pronounce words they'd be at real medical schools like Harvard, Yale, NYU, etc.

It's been O-B-G-Y-N, OB or Gyno for all the years I've been sticking my feet up in those freaking cold stirrups. When you start sticking your feet up in them, maybe someone will believe your nonsense, until then....
 

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They are idiots and wrong. If they knew how to properly pronounce words they'd be at real medical schools like Harvard, Yale, NYU, etc.
How do people at Mayo and Johns Hopkins pronounce it?
 

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They are idiots and wrong. If they knew how to properly pronounce words they'd be at real medical schools like Harvard, Yale, NYU, etc.

It's been O-B-G-Y-N, OB or Gyno for all the years I've been sticking my feet up in those freaking cold stirrups. When you start sticking your feet up in them, maybe someone will believe your nonsense, until then....

uh, upenn has one of the best medical programs in the country... just an fyi. i believe it's ranked fourth in the nation...

i think it goes harvard, hopkins, wash u, upenn, ucsf for top 5 (unless those rankings changed)

at any rate, i have a friend who went to hopkins (she's an e.r. doc now), a friend who went to vcu (an endocrinologist), a friend who went to ucsf (rheumetologist), and a friend who went to wash u (finishing residency and has a passion for endocrinology)... they all say o-b, gyno, or o-b-g-y-n. i rarely heard them say "o-b-gyn"... i know there are docs out there who do call themselves o-b-gyns, but never ever have i heard o-b-gin... that's just stupid.
 
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uh, upenn has one of the best medical programs in the country... just an fyi. i believe it's ranked fourth in the nation...

i think it goes harvard, hopkins, wash u, upenn, ucsf for top 5 (unless those rankings changed)

at any rate, i have a friend who went to hopkins (she's an e.r. doc now), a friend who went to vcu (an endocrinologist), a friend who went to ucsf (rheumetologist), and a friend who went to wash u (finishing residency and has a passion for endocrinology)... they all say o-b, gyno, or o-b-g-y-n. i rarely heard them say "o-b-gyn"... i know there are docs out there who do call themselves o-b-gyns, but never ever have i heard o-b-gin... that's just stupid.

Word eits. Word.

In fact, my friend at UPenn is an M.D./Ph.D. - and UPenn is a Top 5 school.

And yes, the point of this thread was to point out how stupid "O-B-Gin" is.
 

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The best argument I've heard defending O-B-Gin or O-B-G-Y-N is tradition. Some idiot started the practice, so the idiots will continue the practice. Others say that it is because "Ob" and "Gyn" are not truly pronounceable truncations of the full words. Why the fuck not?

i completely understand that "tradition" thing...

you have no idea how bad it irks me when i hear physical therapists and fellow chiropractors alike saying "e-centric" rather than "eck-centric" when saying the word "eccentric" when describing a specific motion.

it's eccentric... ec... centric... two cs, not one. eccentric. not ecentric. get it right!

i mean, they have NO problem saying, "she has an 'eck-centric' personality"... why is this any different?!
 

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i completely understand that "tradition" thing...

you have no idea how bad it irks me when i hear physical therapists and fellow chiropractors alike saying "e-centric" rather than "eck-centric" when saying the word "eccentric" when describing a specific motion.

it's eccentric... ec... centric... two cs, not one. eccentric. not ecentric. get it right!

i mean, they have NO problem saying, "she has an 'eck-centric' personality"... why is this any different?!
Mispronouncing words is not due to tradition, but to stupidity.


Being a doc or a med student is no guarantee that they aren't somewhat stupid, just that they were smart in science. I've read plenty of notes from genuine attending physicians full of spelling, grammar, basic math and just plain common knowledge mistakes that it is scary, specially considering they were graduates of supposedly some of the finest universities in the US.
 

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Then you don't converse with medical students or doctors. Or nurses for that matter.

Funny, my mom is an RN and she doesn't refer to it like that. All letters are sounded out: O-B-G-Y-N

And that's how all of the docs and nurses that I know say it.
 

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Mispronouncing words is not due to tradition, but to stupidity.


Being a doc or a med student is no guarantee that they aren't somewhat stupid, just that they were smart in science. I've read plenty of notes from genuine attending physicians full of spelling, grammar, basic math and just plain common knowledge mistakes that it is scary, specially considering they were graduates of supposedly some of the finest universities in the US.

i know exactly what you mean.

i used to work for a chiropractor when i graduated and i'd routinely proofread his mass emails and letters to people, etc... not because he wanted me to, but because i wanted to make sure that it was all grammatically correct and all the punctuation was correct before it went out. very often, i'd come across improper capitalizations, unnecessary punctuation, incorrect homophones, etc.
 

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i know exactly what you mean.

i used to work for a chiropractor when i graduated and i'd routinely proofread his mass emails and letters to people, etc... not because he wanted me to, but because i wanted to make sure that it was all grammatically correct and all the punctuation was correct before it went out. very often, i'd come across improper capitalizations, unnecessary punctuation, incorrect homophones, etc.

haha

I mean things like discussing planning major conferences on November 31st, how Gerald Ford was elected President by a slim margin, etc.
 

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I've never heard it that way either, I say o-b-g-y-n.
 

Mr. Pedantic

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Being a doc or a med student is no guarantee that they aren't somewhat stupid, just that they were smart in science. I've read plenty of notes from genuine attending physicians full of spelling, grammar, basic math and just plain common knowledge mistakes that it is scary, specially considering they were graduates of supposedly some of the finest universities in the US.
It's what happens, I'm afraid. Most of our tests are weighted as multi-choice, and there aren't that many assignments; there's only so much creativity you can insert into learning physiology. So all that kind of knowledge gets left behind for anatomy & physiology. I still try to maintain standards in spelling, grammar, and punctuation; but many in my class don't.
 

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OB Gin is what snoop dog practices on the set of his music videos.

OB GYN is hoo-ha science. Which is an interesting combination of fascinating, titillating, awe inspiring, and utterly disgusting.
 

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Given that there's some support for the "it's regional" theory, the question could be raised as to whether there's a correlation of this to the regional variation of soda/pop/coke.
 

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Given that there's some support for the "it's regional" theory, the question could be raised as to whether there's a correlation of this to the regional variation of soda/pop/coke.

There's just a huge amount of regional variation in medicine. For example, when looking at whether someone is anemic or low on blood, west coast doctors focus on the hematocrit while east coast docs look at the hemoglobin. Obviously it's not 100% all the time and docs on both coasts can make use of either number but I just find these little variations really interesting.
 

Mr. Pedantic

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It depends on who you've been taught by and your personal experience as well, because remember, distribution of cases will vary based on geography too. For example, in New Zealand rheumatic fever from Group A Strep is pretty common; we get med students from Canada etc who come here for their placements and have no idea what to do, because they never get taught it. Our med students who go to Canada, on the other hand, know what to do because it's so big back home, but may never see a case the weeks or months they're there.
 
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