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UglyCasanova

Lifer
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The GOP instrument to destroy the power of the govt is debt. Low taxes can always be raised but the debt must be honored no matter who goes hungry. That's right- rich bondholders come first, not the people. That's what makes their most recent tax scam so egregious. Borrow money from the Rich to give it back to them as tax cuts & pay interest forever. To, uhh, "grown the economy" where the benefits of growth go almost entirely to the 1%.

So let's just burn it down because bothsides & freedumb. Or something, anything that will protect and promote the welfare of the hyper-Rich above all others.


Are you arguing we should default on our debt?
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Capitalism has brought more out of poverty than government planning could ever dream of. A government’s job is to create the playing field, not to be a player. Even your idealic "socialist" countries are at their core capitalists, they just have high tax rates to pay for their social programs. They embrace capitalism and free markets, I’m not sure why you oppose it so.

That's a resort to false attribution. I'm entirely fine with being more like Denmark than either Venezuela or Russia, the latter being the best example yet of improperly regulated Capitalism's inevitable descent into Lootocratic Oligarchy.
 

UglyCasanova

Lifer
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That's a resort to false attribution. I'm entirely fine with being more like Denmark than either Venezuela or Russia, the latter being the best example yet of improperly regulated Capitalism's inevitable descent into Lootocratic Oligarchy.

Capitalism and free markets which is what you mentioned in the prior post isn’t the same as crony capitalism which is what Russia is. I’d argue that it is the government’s place to prevent that, unfortunately many times it’s the government that’s the catalyst.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Were that to go into effect you’d find a lot more having a hard time making a "living wage". We’d undeniably have cheaper goods, and there would be US businesses that would prosper, but for those without any skills there’s no way they compete with people making $1 a day. It’s not all bad, but it’s not all good either. Something to mull over.


Good god! For fuck sakes! Educate yourself on the fucking issues you supposedly care about for once!!

https://www.uschamber.com/series/ab...-exports-higher-wages-and-better-jobs-america

https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/TPP-Protecting-Workers-Fact-Sheet.pdf

TPP helps improve conditions on the ground in TPP countries, by using binding and fully enforce- able obligations to:
• Protect the freedom to form unions and bargain collectively.
• Eliminate exploitative child labor and forced labor.
• Protect against employment discrimination.
• Require laws on acceptable conditions of work related to minimum wages, hours of work, and occupational safety and health.
• Prevent the degradation of labor protections in export processing zones.
• Combat trade in goods made by forced labor in countries inside and outside TPP.
Establish a transparent and responsive process to allow for labor unions, advocates, and other stakeholders to raise concerns regarding any TPP country’s adherence to the labor commitments.
• TPP also includes separate, comprehensive commitments by Vietnam, Malaysia, and Brunei to ensure compliance with the high labor standards included in TPP.
• Mexico is also developing parallel labor reforms, including to better protect collective bargaining and reform its system for administering labor justice.
• TPP includes the strongest labor provisions of any trade agreement in history.
• TPP renegotiates NAFTA, putting fundamental labor rights at the core
of the agreement, and making those rights fully enforceable through the same type of dispute settlement as other obligations, including the option to impose trade sanctions.
• These rights include freedom of association, the right to collective bargaining, prohibitions on and effective elimination of child and forced labor, and protection against employment discrimination. And for the first time in a trade agreement, TPP requires countries to adopt laws on minimum wages, hours of work, and occupational safety and health.
• With respect to Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei, who are first-time signatories to a trade agreement with the United States, TPP contains country-
specific labor reform commitments to meet their TPP obligations that are themselves subject to dispute settlement.
• Furthermore, TPP requires each TPP country to establish a public submission process to allow for labor unions, advocates, and other stakeholders
to raise specific concerns related to any TPP country’s adherence to the commitments under the labor chapter.
• By bringing enforceable commitments on fundamental labor rights into our trading relationships with TPP countries, TPP expands the fight for decent work around the world and creates a more fair and level playing field for American workers.
• TPP puts into place the largest expansion of enforceable labor rights in history, more than quadrupling the number of people outside the United States that are covered by enforceable labor provisions. This expansion helps make it more likely that strong labor provisions in trade agreements will become the new global standard.


Jesus christ! For once in your fucking life, use google to research a subject before posting and making yourself look like an even bigger fool!
 

umbrella39

Lifer
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Does the OP's wheelchair ever make it outside? UC really needs to do an inventory on his life and get the fuck outside once in a while. I wish others would rightfully put you on ignore where your bullshit belongs...
 

brycejones

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Does the OP's wheelchair ever make it outside? UC really needs to do an inventory on his life and get the fuck outside once in a while. I wish others would rightfully put you on ignore where your bullshit belongs...

We do know 2 things the OP isn't concerned about:

1. Religious conservatives favoring Christianity through legislation in Arkansas.
2. The attempted closure of 7 out of 9 polling places in a majority black county in GA.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Listen you stupid, ignorant, fuck! Your first link is from 2015 before the TPP was finalized and released to the public. Your other two links were also based off of studies done before the TPP was finished.



AGAIN! EDUCATE YOURSELF YOU STUPID, STUPID, IGNORANT FUCK!


Lol indeed!
 

UglyCasanova

Lifer
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We do know 2 things the OP isn't concerned about:

1. Religious conservatives favoring Christianity through legislation in Arkansas.
2. The attempted closure of 7 out of 9 polling places in a majority black county in GA.


Nah I definitely care about those too. Good try though..?
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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UC is all over the map, huh? He flipped from burn it down! to concerns over the little guy like there's no contradiction in that at all. As if free market capitalsm gives a flying rat's ass about the little guy.

After he burns down Washington then Wall St can better have their way with us. That's when we'll really feel the freedumb cuz it will all trickle down.

If middle America wants a bigger piece of the pie the only way we'll get it is by voting to take it as taxes. And we can start doing that with taxes that are truly progressive at the top. Anything else is endorsement of avaricious greed.
 
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UglyCasanova

Lifer
Mar 25, 2001
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UC is all over the map, huh? He flipped from burn it down! to concerns over the little guy like there's no contradiction in that at all. As if free market capitalsm gives a flying rat's ass about the little guy.

After he burns down Washington then Wall St can better have their way with us. That's when we'll really feel the freedumb cuz it will all trickle down.

If middle America wants a bigger piece of the pie the only way we'll get it is by voting to take it as taxes. And we can start doing that with taxes that are truly progressive at the top. Anything else is endorsement of avaricious greed.


Free market capitalism doesn’t care about anyone, but gives everyone the opportunity to benefit. Burn it down is the attitude towards the entrenched forces in DC lining their pockets at the expense of all of us, it has nothing to do with caring for the little guy. I’m not a proponent of trickle down economics. I’d much rather economic policies that favor the middle class, not the upper or lower ones. When you do so both the upper and lower classes inevitably benefit. I’m fine with progressive tax plans that are higher at the top, but we can’t keep passing more and more spending bills and simply say the rich will pay don’t worry. That’s not sustainable.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Free market capitalism doesn’t care about anyone, but gives everyone the opportunity to benefit. Burn it down is the attitude towards the entrenched forces in DC lining their pockets at the expense of all of us, it has nothing to do with caring for the little guy. I’m not a proponent of trickle down economics. I’d much rather economic policies that favor the middle class, not the upper or lower ones. When you do so both the upper and lower classes inevitably benefit. I’m fine with progressive tax plans that are higher at the top, but we can’t keep passing more and more spending bills and simply say the rich will pay don’t worry. That’s not sustainable.

Yeh, I know burn it down just leaves more opportunities for the financial elite to beat the cash out of the little guy. It would be a lot easier if it weren't for that pesky govt interference.
 

umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
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typical PN, defend any democrat at all cost. doesnt matter how bat shit crazy they are.

TBH this is the typical conservative response in 2018. Not the same conservative poster quality from the but but boosh era... So sad.

Cannot defend how treasonous The GOP has become so come here once in a blue moon to shit and run and project...

Might even have a fake FB account or two like many of my conservative IRL friends who are too GD embarrassed to post their dumb fuckery from their real accounts any more...

They know they have become pariah and it’s only going to get worse for them on several levels…

They won't be missed...
 
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