Another soldier fighting for the 1%. Attack the protesters! Mock the difficulty of bringing change to the corruption! Lick their boots some more!
Also, they're all screaming in front of Wall Street, but none of the real decision makers are actually there. It's getting pretty cold right now, I'm sure the real people in charge are on a beach drinking Mai Tais. As far as I can see, the only thing that OWS is doing is causing headaches for the working stiffs who are just trying to make a living in the city. Oh, and they're pissing off the police, which could cause the governor of NY to soon declare a state of emergency and deploy the Nat'l Guard. That probably wouldn't go very well, they'd have to herd all those people into camps unless they disperse, and then you'd have a worse mess until it gets sorted out.
Oh well, I gues it might make a good TV mini-series some day. :hmm:
Another soldier fighting for the 1%. Attack the protesters! Mock the difficulty of bringing change to the corruption! Lick their boots some more!
Except the Civil Rights movement
the Pro-Choice movement
the Anti-Vietnam war movement
and there's the TPM.
I'm sure there are more, but that's what I thought of in ~10 seconds.
Except the Civil Rights movement, the Pro-Choice movement, the Anti-Vietnam war movement, and there's the TPM. I'm sure there are more, but that's what I thought of in ~10 seconds.
It started real change, it was effective. It was definitely more vital than the riff-raff freezing their butts in NYC right now. They didn't stop, didn't waver, and still work on it even until today. Those were/are heroes.Ya, that went real well. For years, ignored, the country mostly against it, years of violence and killings against the protesters, finally won by a President who 'gave the White House to Republicans for decades to come' as the price for passing some legislation - after a century of continued legal discrimination from the time slavery was ended and strong opposition to do anything about the ongoing legacy effects of that history.
You don't think the USSC was/is influenced by politics? Idiot. The rest is some moronic gibberish.An issue decided by the Supreme Court, not politics, that handed the right-wing an issue to exploit for decades for getting Republican votes to rip off the American people.
It's sad that a bunch of stoned hippies had more focus and leadership than the folks in OWS, isn't it?One real example - but taking years to win while the war escalated. Half the US casualties were after the 'promise to end the war' Nixon was elected.
Love it or hate it, it still got people elected and did what it set out to do. Regardless of your opinions, it was still effective.Ya, a corporate-hijacked 'movement' that has done nothing but harm the country.
Well, I wouldn't nitpick if it didn't seem to be run by a bunch of spoiled Gen X/Y dweebs who aren't even sure who they're struggling against.There has been a historic class war for 30 years where the most wealthy have made a massive shift in the nation's wealth and power into their own hands.
This is the biggest protest by the people since at least the Vietnam war, which was the biggest since labor rights. Some idiots can only sit and nit pick it.
Also, they're all screaming in front of Wall Street, but none of the real decision makers are actually there. It's getting pretty cold right now, I'm sure the real people in charge are on a beach drinking Mai Tais. As far as I can see, the only thing that OWS is doing is causing headaches for the working stiffs who are just trying to make a living in the city. Oh, and they're pissing off the police, which could cause the governor of NY to soon declare a state of emergency and deploy the Nat'l Guard. That probably wouldn't go very well, they'd have to herd all those people into camps unless they disperse, and then you'd have a worse mess until it gets sorted out.
Oh well, I gues it might make a good TV mini-series some day. :hmm:
The civil rights movement was 50 years ago and the only one of those that addressed economic inequality in any substantial way. Even then it only did so for a minority of the population and its success is still very debatable. A century ago our ancestors fought for better working conditions, an end to child labor, women's suffrage, etc. all using anarchistic politics as well as other approaches and they succeeded. Its not their fault American's eventually threw away a lot of what they worked so hard to achieve.
The only way to influence any of the "decision makers" is to hit them where it counts. In the fucking wallet and in the face. Make them look like the greedy bribe taking two-faced lawyers they are and threaten the only thing they value more then their reputations.
And magickman goes on ignore for incivil idiocy.
But OWS isn't doing that, the big money people don't and won't care. You can't hit faces that are 3000mi away and you can't hit wallets that are secure in off-shore accounts. I understand that you're passionate, but it's just so damned illogical.
Actually, the Civil Rights movement was very active into the 80s, and some elements are still kicking today (like the NAACP).
OWS can be effective, they just need to lock in on a clear message and refocus their outrage towards actual people, not faceless entities who really don't care who is pissed off at them. You can't vote out a corporate CEO or hedge fund manager, but you can apply pressure to a Senator or Congressman.
In Oakland they were the first people in 64 years to succeed in calling for a general strike and shut down one of the busiest ports in the US. On Wall Street they've cost the city millions in over time for the cops. When you don't have money its easy to make the other guy spend his. Now even major news outlets like CNN are publishing editorials and articles with people calling the politicians and corporate fat cats pigs right to their faces. These are people who thrive on the public being ignorant and feeling helpless.
This is no faceless enemy and OWS has listed the names, photographs, and even addresses of bankers in particular they say should be in jail right now. Even Obama threatened to start putting some CEOs in jail this year because they repeatedly cheated on medicaid. As long as these assholes can keep buying senators they'll always be too big to fail and too big to go to jail. Effectively they'll own the government.
Hence the need to put a face to the enemy, to camp out right where they live and work, and to demand justice.
That's really done nothing but increase their tax burden by costing the city money. If they want to make change they need to go after the guys in DC, because the Wall Street and corporate guys don't care. The sad but simple truth is, those guys are "set", they have no worries, they aren't even in the country now. Take away the corrupt politicians, and you take away their power.
They're going after CEOs who have their assets in foreign banks and can easily hop to countries with beaches and non-extradition treaties? It's really easy to move when you have that kind of money.
Why do you guys ignore the politicians with their hands out? You know if you fix that you fix the whole mess, right?
Its really easy to kill them all with a predator drone strike too. Easier still just to freeze their assets and confiscate as much as possible.
Occupy isn't ignoring the politicians, they're going from the top down. Start with the people who own the politicians, and then work your way down. If you don't start at the top in all likelihood they'll just work on buying the next politician people elect.
Do you live under a rock or what? Pull your head out of your ass. Shutting down an entire city and one of the busiest ports in the country costs big business big bucks. As for N.Y. some 87% of the people polled there support their right to protest and, in fact, more people across the country support their right to protest then support either political party.
Seems to me your expectations are ridiculous, to say the least. OWS has been at it for about two months IIRC. How developed was the Civil Rights movement after two months? How about the Vietnam protests? These things don't happen overnight.It started real change, it was effective. It was definitely more vital than the riff-raff freezing their butts in NYC right now. They didn't stop, didn't waver, and still work on it even until today. Those were/are heroes.
You don't think the USSC was/is influenced by politics? Idiot. The rest is some moronic gibberish.
It's sad that a bunch of stoned hippies had more focus and leadership than the folks in OWS, isn't it?
Love it or hate it, it still got people elected and did what it set out to do. Regardless of your opinions, it was still effective.
Well, I wouldn't nitpick if it didn't seem to be run by a bunch of spoiled Gen X/Y dweebs who aren't even sure who they're struggling against.
Oh, and I take ignores as victories, because I know that you can't counter my arguments so you stick your head in the sand instead, punk.
Also, they're all screaming in front of Wall Street, but none of the real decision makers are actually there. It's getting pretty cold right now, I'm sure the real people in charge are on a beach drinking Mai Tais. As far as I can see, the only thing that OWS is doing is causing headaches for the working stiffs who are just trying to make a living in the city. Oh, and they're pissing off the police, which could cause the governor of NY to soon declare a state of emergency and deploy the Nat'l Guard. That probably wouldn't go very well, they'd have to herd all those people into camps unless they disperse, and then you'd have a worse mess until it gets sorted out.
Oh well, I gues it might make a good TV mini-series some day. :hmm:
Everyone... take a look at this link.
A very typical example of the housing bubble bursting.
Notice the sales and sale dates and purchase price.
Notice the physical house/property.
http://www.redfin.com/CA/Stockton/3127-N-El-Dorado-St-95204/home/19805834
This is typical. And there is nothing wrong with this house. The value adjustment has nothing to do with the physical house condition.
So... by just looking at this property, one can see the fraud, how it started, how it advanced, then how it blew apart. And in the end... someone made a shit load of money off fannie mae and freddie mac, and eventually YOU, the tax payer.
The link illustrates in terms a child could understand, the time line of the crime. Institutions behind the crime scene and in front of the crime scene were screwing with the housing market. Inflating home values, playing the dirtiest games ever devised to, in the end, make a hell of a lot of fast cash off YOU and ME, and every single US tax payer.
This typical example is so crystal clear. It could not be clearer if they had an actual hidden camera showing the crook walking in, pulling a gun, and raiding by gun point every Us tax payer.
Does anyone really believe all this "just happened" ???
No. This did not "just happen" by chance or some fluke of the system.
This illustrates a very well devised plot, a plan of the most criminal, with the end goal achieved.
A goal of crime that was not only met, but exceeded beyond imagination.
What I find disgusting, looking at this blue print of the crime, is that NOT ONE single person in government has been brought to justice. NOT ONE CEO has been sent to prison for life.
NOT ONE of those in charge, not one of then that knew all too well exactly what was in the making, NOT ONE has been brought to justice.
Not only that... most, if not all, are STILL running our banks. Serving in our government. Pulling the strings.
They are the past and current congress men and women. The past and present senators. The past and present presidents.
And... as a certainly you can count on, bet your life on, they will be our future presidents, senators and congress persons.
And we should all understand exactly what THAT means...?
That WE ARE TOTALLY FUCKED!!!!!
Every one of us... TOTALLY!!! Totally and completely thru and thru!!!
OWS? Why you ask?
NOW can grasp the reason, and why?????
Our leaders have drained all and every pot by greed and criminal treasonous acts against the American people
.
So now... the only pots left to empty are the pots holding Unions, social security, retirement, education, and the pot of the middle class economy.
All the other pots, they have long been emptied.
Yes... we are totally fucked!
Sooner or later, we all will see whatever pot we still feed from, drained before our very eyes.
And you "WILL" join those OWS folks on the front line.
Sooner or later, you will be with them. This is enviable.
Count on that...
They're going after CEOs who have their assets in foreign banks and can easily hop to countries with beaches and non-extradition treaties? It's really easy to move when you have that kind of money.
Why do you guys ignore the politicians with their hands out? You know if you fix that you fix the whole mess, right?
Fallacious arguments abound in this post. Using faux noise reasoning, straw man fallacies.It started real change, it was effective. It was definitely more vital than the riff-raff freezing their butts in NYC right now. They didn't stop, didn't waver, and still work on it even until today. Those were/are heroes.
You don't think the USSC was/is influenced by politics? Idiot. The rest is some moronic gibberish.
It's sad that a bunch of stoned hippies had more focus and leadership than the folks in OWS, isn't it?
Love it or hate it, it still got people elected and did what it set out to do. Regardless of your opinions, it was still effective.
Well, I wouldn't nitpick if it didn't seem to be run by a bunch of spoiled Gen X/Y dweebs who aren't even sure who they're struggling against.
Oh, and I take ignores as victories, because I know that you can't counter my arguments so you stick your head in the sand instead, punk.
But OWS isn't doing that, the big money people don't and won't care. You can't hit faces that are 3000mi away and you can't hit wallets that are secure in off-shore accounts. I understand that you're passionate, but it's just so damned illogical.