nice appeal to emotion at the end thereYou're the one who's dodging. You have no idea how OWS will work, just that "people are out there doing something". Well, that's great, too bad they've got the whole herd facing the wrong way.
The Civil Rights movement started by attacking the gov't, namely by civil disobedience, ie: sitting in the front of the bus, eating at the "white" lunch counter, using "whites only" public facilities. Within 2 months they were already on the front page of almost every major paper in the USA, and had already influenced law makers in Mass, R.I, Delaware, and Vermont. In short order they caused those states to reevaluate their laws. The full effect wasn't to come about for years, but the first volley hit home rather quickly and brought in 100,000s of supporters. These were people who didn't go out to cause harm, but to win the hearts of those who were sympathetic, and to wake up a nation to the extent of racial inequality.
They weren't putting people out, they only wanted to be let in. They stood up to corrupt governments and prejudiced laws, which is something OWS could be doing, if they weren't just walking around disrupting business and blocking people who are just trying to get to work so they can feed their families.
You're assuming his 'any excuse' wasn't aimed at the city government.
Can you tell us an issue that you have changed your mind on, or admitted you were wrong about?
/cricketsYou certainly seem to be the expert on closed minds, and as I pointed out before, your reading skills leave much to be desired. The question before you was pretty simple. Can you show where they're calling for "the dictatorship of the proletariat, confiscation of all private property, and collectivization" or not? If so, you may merit further discussion. If not, you're just pulling talking points out of your ass and can therefore be summarily dismissed. It has nothing to do with Jhhnn. It has everything to do with your consistent failure to support your claims.or maybe you just think that anyone that disagrees with you is a wingnut and wrong. and evryone that agrees is correct. Its easy to be closed minded
I'd also point out that you continue to dodge a question I posed. You squawk again and again about how liberal Rolling Stone is, how it is a "lefty heaven magazine." Whatever, you're welcome to your opinion. I don't read it so I can't offer my own.
But, presuming it is liberal, so what? You've consistently failed (I sense a theme here) to explain what this alleged bias has to do with Taibbi's piece. Did you even read it? Honestly? On the odd chance you did, how is it inaccurate? Unless you can start answering questions like this, all you are doing is demonstrating your own very closed mind.
nice appeal to emotion at the end there
The original Boston tea party targeted merchants and it was a protest against taxes no?
I just don't see the point you are trying to make here. If I had to guess I think you are splitting hairs just to say you are right, and OWS is wrong.
Bottom line is, politicians are being bought. The 1% is doing the buying, the 99% is having a hard time believing their interests are being met. Never has there been such a high level of discontent with our government.
No, I'm looking at the whole problem; and, while the wealthy are certainly half of the problem, they are not the half that you or I, or any "movement," can effectively change.By attempting to absolve the wealthy of their responsibility in the situation you are only looking at half the problem. It's naive.
WTF are you talking about? All I did was post the link FFS since it is related. This is a thread about OWS, I posted a news article relating to one of the camps in Vancouver which the mayor is shutting down, due to the death. Of course you can't handle anything remotely critical of the movement, you jump down anyones throat who has a different opinion than yourself. Get a grip man.
"Never"? Want to go look at the peace rallies of the 60's? Politicians have been bought, on both sides of the political fence, and the fix for that is to hold DC accountable, vote them out, and make a stronger push for finance reform (even if does take an amendment). Nothing will get fixed until that happens. You can't stop the money, but you can make DC and state governments less susceptible.
No, I'm looking at the whole problem; and, while the wealthy are certainly half of the problem, they are not the half that you or I, or any "movement," can effectively change.
The politicians and laws, on the other hand, are things that we the people CAN change.
As someone else said in this thread, you can't vote out a CEO; and, even if you could, but you do so without also changing the laws and mechanisms in DC I described above, new CEOs would simply pick up where the previous ones left off.
We're both looking at the whole problem, and we even both agree on who/what the two halves are. Sadly, though, you (and OWS) are focusing on the wrong f'n half...
Wow. Tangent king over here!!
That being said, you are right. But OWS is right too
Can you grasp that concept?
So what would happen if the tea baggers and the occupiers joined forces!?!?
I mean, heaven forbid we as Americans work together!
If OWS moved to DC, they'd probably find some very common ground.
So what would happen if the tea baggers and the occupiers joined forces!?!?
I mean, heaven forbid we as Americans work together!
Why do we think the tea party can sniff out corruption when they are pawns of the corrupt like dick army?
Why do we think the tea party can sniff out corruption when they are pawns of the corrupt like dick army?
the USSC also ruled that corporations are people... should we just stop fighting against that bullsh1t as well?Most campaign finance reform was ruled unconstitutional already. Not sure how you missed that.
Here we are, working on common ground, and you have to jump in and be a dick. Figures. :\
And yet, that's not where OWS is protesting, and not who they're going after...Bottom line is, politicians are being bought. The 1% is doing the buying, the 99% is having a hard time believing their interests are being met. Never has there been such a high level of discontent with our government.
So, uhh, you figure that the Koch Bros et al will be able to fold OWS into the bosom of the Repub base, like they have the Tea Party, or what?
This... again.Hell, I agree with the core of what both groups are saying. It's when it reaches the freaky fringe stuff that I'm left scratching my head.