#OccupyWallstreet

[Bowfinger]

Why is it that age is a reason for the left to vilify the tea party, but they get angry and defensive when age is mentioned about OWS? If you look at photos of both you see a range of ages represented.

Hmm. Pardon me for actually reading the thread, but I'd say it probably has something to do with the usual OWS bashers mindlessly parroting the latest, "they're just a bunch of kids" talking point. In order to show that these tools still don't know what they're talking about, it is helpful to point out that a great number of protestors and OWS supporters are not kids at all. This fact won't stop the bashers' dishonest attacks, of course, but it's potentially useful for those who truly have open minds.

 

[spidey07]

Hmm. Pardon me for actually reading the thread, but I'd say it probably has something to do with the usual OWS bashers mindlessly parroting the latest, "they're just a bunch of kids" talking point. In order to show that these tools still don't know what they're talking about, it is helpful to point out that a great number of protestors and OWS supporters are not kids at all. This fact won't stop the bashers' dishonest attacks, of course, but it's potentially useful for those who truly have open minds.

Yes, yes, you're so open minded that anybody who disagrees with your libtard worldview is either a nutter or gets all their info from nutter sources.

How tolerant and open minded of you to be so intolerant and close minded. Watch the video I posted, it shows exactly who they are and what they believe.

 

[monovillage]

Why should the critics of OWS be labeled as dishonest when the bashers of the Tea Party are the ones that are still lying about them after years of it? Oh that's right Bow, since you're one of the ones lying about the Tea Party it's OK.

 

[Bowfinger]

Why should the critics of OWS be labeled as dishonest when the bashers of the Tea Party are the ones that are still lying about them after years of it? Oh that's right Bow, since you're one of the ones lying about the Tea Party it's OK.

Really, asshat? Kindly show me where I've lied about the Tea Party. For that matter, show me where I've so much as hinted it's OK to lie about the Tea Party. I've consistently noted that two wrongs don't make a right, something they apparently don't teach to conservatives [sic] these days. If there are people "still lying" about the Tea Party, it in no way excuses people in this thread lying about OWS. See how that works?

I thought you were perhaps a level above the nutter 'tards like Spidey and Michal, but the more you post stupid shit like this, the more I wonder. I'm really sorry if you're incapable of forming coherent, honest, on-target arguments, but ultimately that's your problem, not mine.

The only remaining question for me is whether you have the integrity to retract your slur, or whether you'll complete the journey to Spideyland by ignoring your lie and running away. Your move, sport.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Why is it that age is a reason for the left to vilify the tea party, but they get angry and defensive when age is mentioned about OWS? If you look at photos of both you see a range of ages represented.

Um, simple.

Application of the age brackets. the tea party IS mostly older folks. Mostly older, conservative, and quite a few other monikers.

this becomes important when you look at what they say "No government involvement, but don't touch my Social Security" being a BIG one.

Another key here is, the statement about "youth" at OWS was meant to discredit it, but that is refuted by the fact that there are MANY older individuals, some quite well educated that support it.

So your comparison does not fit quite right.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Why should the critics of OWS be labeled as dishonest

Because they are.

...when the bashers of the Tea Party are the ones that are still lying about them after years of it?

Not all are lying. Most of the critics are simple. That the TB party has been shanghai'd and no longer represents its original base.

Other little things are funny to look at:

A man carrying an automatic weapon to a rally near a presidential event. Bush would have had him arrested regardless of whether it was loaded or not, but yet somehow that is OK for Tea.

The overwhelming predominance of white folks over the age of 50. Now this in and of itself should not be a biggie, but compared to the hypocritical positions the movement had (such as no government programs, but Medicare/SS....etc), and the fact that they were trying to associate themselves with a group of people that was rejecting government and taxation by BREAKING THE LAW... These guys were no "Tea Party" people by a long shot. They actually are AGAINST the very things that would have associated them more directly in the realm of more destructive protests.

I am not saying that that would have been a GOOD thing, but they got so focused on Taxes that they missed the whole point. Like talking about the NRA as only a means to keep WWII mementos.

Oh that's right Bow, since you're one of the ones lying about the Tea Party it's OK.

That is a personal shot. Does no good.

 

[monovillage]

Really, asshat? Kindly show me where I've lied about the Tea Party. For that matter, show me where I've so much as hinted it's OK to lie about the Tea Party. I've consistently noted that two wrongs don't make a right, something they apparently don't teach to conservatives [sic] these days. If there are people "still lying" about the Tea Party, it in no way excuses people in this thread lying about OWS. See how that works?

.................. I'm really sorry if you're incapable of forming coherent, honest, on-target arguments, but ultimately that's your problem, not mine.

The only remaining question for me is whether you have the integrity to retract your slur, or whether you'll complete the journey to Spideyland by ignoring your lie and running away. Your move, sport.

You may be right, if so I'll have no problem apologizing. I'll check and see if one is owed, it's not like I haven't been wrong before and apologized on this forum.

 

[Bowfinger]

You may be right, if so I'll have no problem apologizing. I'll check and see if one is owed, it's not like I haven't been wrong before and apologized on this forum.

Fair enough. If so, I'll apologize for suggesting you even might possibly be in the same league as Spidey. Acknowledging an error is far outside his "character." I have great respect for those who can admit error; no respect whatsoever for those who can't.

Cheers.

 

[spidey07]

DC protesters who accosted private property to be arrested, car driver won't be, did nothing wrong. Score one for the good guys!

http://www.owsexposed.com/2011/11/05/dc-street-occupiers-hit-by-car/

Lt. Christopher Micciche of the D.C. police said the driver was not cited because he had a green light when his vehicle struck the three on Friday night. He said witnesses told police that the three pedestrians “either ran toward or jumped in front of the moving vehicle.” He said one pedestrian jumped on the hood of the car. One of them was cited for being in the roadway.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Good guys?

Spidey, what are you smoking?

 

[Axon]

Anything he's told to think he thinks.

 

[spidey07]

Good guys?

Spidey, what are you smoking?

It's been shown that OWS has no grasp of property rights, this is to be expected as one of the main tenants of communism is the abolition of private property. So the good guys in this respect is the property owner not being charged as the instigaters desired and his property rights respected by the law.

 

[Ninjahedge]

It's been shown that OWS has no grasp of property rights

Neither do you because you never researched the breaks that were given to the property "owners" in exchange for making this park public.

this is to be expected as one of the main tenants of communism

BS

is the abolition of private property.

Nope. Do a bit of research into NYC building code before you rant.

So the good guys in this respect is the property owner not being charged as the instigaters desired and his property rights respected by the law.

Um, I don't even bother reading what you link to because you have a tendency to go to the far reaches. I am assuming you are not talking about NYC/Zucotti?

Plain and simple, you are trying to put the white and black hats on people so it fits your own predilections. It just does not speak well of you Mr. 50K+ intenet tech site poster.

 

[Matt1970]

Oh, you're right, and it all happened for the same sort of trumped up reasons as the Invasion of Iraq.

Kudos to the right wing propaganda machine in their efforts to better shape the electorate to their liking. They exploited Social dominance theory in a real world application-

http://mydd.com/users/paul-rosenber...servative-identity-politics-pt4-in-the-series

Poor people don't really deserve the right to vote, huh?

That same sort of effort is being made to suppress & discredit OWS, and you've clearly joined in.

You are beyond a partisan hack. ACORN did it to themselves. Kudos for throwing Iraq in there. ACORN got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and it got slapped. Deal with it.

 

[Bowfinger]

You are beyond a partisan hack. ACORN did it to themselves. Kudos for throwing Iraq in there. ACORN got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and it got slapped. Deal with it.

And you're parroting the talking points exactly as you've been brainwashed to. Deal with it.

There's no question ACORN made mistakes, but they were nothing at all like the right-wing rage machine made them out to be. Their biggest fault was hiring a lot of lazy, minimum wage help and using an easy but poorly-conceived performance metric.

Yes, they did collect a lot of bogus voter registration forms, largely because their employees were incented by quantity instead of quality. Yes, they did submit those bogus forms ... because they had to by law, a fact the nutters consistently and conveniently ignore. In many (and likely most) cases, it was ACORN itself that alerted the State to the fact that certain registration forms were likely bogus, thus making it easier for the State to quickly identify and reject them.

The other inconvenient fact the Grand Outraged Party droids ignore is that there is no evidence that these fake registrations ever turned into any material number of fraudulent votes. Lots of noise, lots of feigned outrage, but no substance. Naturally these same outraged righties are perfectly happy with the very real, well-documented, and far too successful voter suppression tactics by the right, denying countless Americans their right to vote. Such is the shameless hypocrisy of the ACORN bashers.

 

[monovillage]

Fair enough. If so, I'll apologize for suggesting you even might possibly be in the same league as Spidey. Acknowledging an error is far outside his "character." I have great respect for those who can admit error; no respect whatsoever for those who can't.

Cheers.

As much as I hate it, I have to admit and concede you are right on the lying issue. You have been honest here in your postings (even when i disagree with you) and I apologize.

 

[michal1980]

And you're parroting the talking points exactly as you've been brainwashed to. Deal with it.

There's no question ACORN made mistakes, but they were nothing at all like the right-wing rage machine made them out to be. Their biggest fault was hiring a lot of lazy, minimum wage help and using an easy but poorly-conceived performance metric.

Yes, they did collect a lot of bogus voter registration forms, largely because their employees were incented by quantity instead of quality. Yes, they did submit those bogus forms ... because they had to by law, a fact the nutters consistently and conveniently ignore. In many (and likely most) cases, it was ACORN itself that alerted the State to the fact that certain registration forms were likely bogus, thus making it easier for the State to quickly identify and reject them.

The other inconvenient fact the Grand Outraged Party droids ignore is that there is no evidence that these fake registrations ever turned into any material number of fraudulent votes. Lots of noise, lots of feigned outrage, but no substance. Naturally these same outraged righties are perfectly happy with the very real, well-documented, and far too successful voter suppression tactics by the right, denying countless Americans their right to vote. Such is the shameless hypocrisy of the ACORN bashers.

Pot meet keetle.

 

[dwell]

You guys realize that there are a lot of people at OWS who are 30+, 40+, and 50+, right?

I guess in part you can blame the OWS people for this because they have chosen not to engage in this way, but the sheer level of misinformation out there is pretty hard core.

If you're over 30 and participating in OWS you're automatically a loser.

 

[dwell]

Moral of the story: You won't change the world, the world will change you.

To be honest, that sounds like quitter talk.

I think the way I worded it was wrong. What I should have said is you won't change the world by beating a drum in the park all day.

 

[Jhhnn]

So, uhh, who are these guys who run the world, anyway? What are they like, what sort of personality profiles do they exhibit?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/07/one-per-cent-wealth-destroyers?CMP=twt_gu/

 

[Craig234]

If you're over 30 and participating in OWS you're automatically a loser.

Wrong as usual/always.

Not that the truth seems to matter to you.

 

[bfdd]

I think the way I worded it was wrong. What I should have said is you won't change the world by beating a drum in the park all day.

that I can agree with.


Anyone else hear about Occupy Oakland putting their money into a Wells Fargo account? LOLS! fucking morons. Seriously fucking morons.

 

[Craig234]

So, uhh, who are these guys who run the world, anyway? What are they like, what sort of personality profiles do they exhibit?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/07/one-per-cent-wealth-destroyers?CMP=twt_gu/

Very good find. That is pretty much the mindset our society has rewarded based on things from wealth taking over politics to myths sold by the right-wing propaganda machine.

 

[wuliheron]

Very good find. That is pretty much the mindset our society has rewarded based on things from wealth taking over politics to myths sold by the right-wing propaganda machine.

Increasingly the 1% are a technocracy, but I think that guardian article pretty much sums up the status quo we've lived with for most of human history. Its the few real innovators and thinkers in the crowd of thugs that keep the whole system from cannibalizing itself into oblivion. Not that the technocrats aren't just as prone to bourgeois thinking.

 

[Bowfinger]

As much as I hate it, I have to admit and concede you are right on the lying issue. You have been honest here in your postings (even when i disagree with you) and I apologize.

Thank you. While I am certainly opinionated about many things, I always try to be sure I have my facts straight. (And when I make a mistake, I will acknowledge and correct it.) I apologize for suggesting you are at all similar to Spidey. You show a level of character Spidey could never imagine.

Again, cheers.