It's not like anybody tried to break the guy's leg- that was incidental to what was happening, no matter how much you'd like to claim otherwise.
[ ... ]
Notice it is only the far left commies on this forum that support and defend them. Wonder why that is.
That's because you think everyone who disagrees with your fringe views is automatically a "far left commie". I believe there are medications that can help you with that.
It's not like anybody tried to break the guy's leg- that was incidental to what was happening, no matter how much you'd like to claim otherwise.
There was an article yesterday where the occupiers said they would shun no one and even the fringe radical commies and marxists are welcome (as that is their true base).
One simply needs to listen to them and read the signs to truly understand who they are, what their motives are and what their end goal is. Why would they shun folks that the protest organizers specifically organized? They're only doing what they want them to do.
More examples of who they are, video in link.
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Video-shows-KGW-crew-harassed-at-Occupy-Portland-133496118.html
Like I am going to even value cred from you?
It is like you were paying me in drachmas.
Sometimes that's true. Sometimes one is so far gone that attempts at intelligent discussion are pointless. Many people have tried diligently to set you straight with facts and reason, but you've proven time and again you are immune.You know you're right when you opposition has nothing but insults, and that's all you have.
There are certainly people associated with OWS who are on the fringe. I've discussed that several times in this thread.Will you not admit the views of the occupiers are extreme fringe? Or will you rationalize they are not because you agree?
Still making $500 bets on Perry?See you in November liberal. See your there.
Sometimes that's true. Sometimes one is so far gone that attempts at intelligent discussion are pointless. Many people have tried diligently to set you straight with facts and reason, but you've proven time and again you are immune.
In any case, it is you who dismisses anyone who disagrees with you as a "far left commie" or something similar. You have gone so far off the deep end you are all alone. You have "far left commies" who mock you, and everyone else that shuns you. Were you rational, that would tell you something.
There are certainly people associated with OWS who are on the fringe. I've discussed that several times in this thread.
The movement itself, however, is increasingly mainstream. I base this not on emotion, but on fact. The last survey I saw (a week or so ago) showed OWS support continued to increase across America. Their approval is not only higher than Congress' (low bar, to be sure), it was notably higher than the Tea Party. Of course that's the point where your cognitive dissonance kicks in and you cannot process reality.
Which brings us back to the heart of your problem. You cannot accept any data that contradicts your fringe views. You just can't. You're hiding in a surreal bubble on the fringe, a nutter echo chamber where you only listen to things you already believe. You chant "We, the People" when a poll or an election goes your way, but "la la la la la" in the far more common cases where they don't. You are immune to reality.
Still making $500 bets on Perry?
So?If you polled people if they thought a DOG was a worthy choice of being a 'leader' what would they say?
Occupy Denver's leader is a dog.
More fallacious reasoning. Those graphs simply, factually, inarguably do not measure the number of people who "care" about OWS. They simply don't.Futhermore.
Fewer and Fewer people care about OWS
Yes, well said. This. ^Fewer and fewer people SEARCH for news about them, but it is not like fewer care.
Many people just found out about them around October 16 (as the peak shows) and they searched like crazy to find out what was up. Once THAT was done, and they were subscribed/bookmarked/caught up, naturally the search calls would go down.
BTW, do you do a google search every time you come to this forum to post?
As for News? They had more coverage of the Penn State scandal (something that is SO IMPORTANT TO THE WHOLE COUNTRY that every news station needs to cover it ad nauseam) than they had of any other. News is like that. The fact that they are STILL COVERING IT, a good month after the initial rush, says that people are still interested.
And I see no reference to poll numbers either Mike.....
Don't try to pull out numbers and graphs when you are in company with engineers. Numbers do not scare people here like they do in the general public...
So?
(Your statement is false in any case. Their leader isn't actually a dog. They designated a dog as their "leader" in a defiant response to Denver's demand, since Denver refused to recognize their consensus-driven approach to running things.)
More fallacious reasoning. Those graphs simply, factually, inarguably do not measure the number of people who "care" about OWS. They simply don't.
The first graph (presumably) shows the number of searches for OWS. It's not surprising that number drops as more people learn what OWS is and settle on regular sources of updates.
The second graph (presumably) shows the number of news stories about OWS? (Again I say presumably since you provide no actual information about what was measured and the methodology used. Both are critical to interpreting data.) If so, it is not a measure of people's interest. It is a measure of ... news stories.
There are many factors that go into determining what stories are published each day, including (gasp!) newsworthiness. Early on, OWS was new and thus everything they did was new. They marched in XYZ City for the first time. That is news. Everybody runs the story. Today OWS marched in XYZ City for the 10th time. No longer news.
Still making $500 bets on Perry?
I already explained it to you. I can't help that your mind is too closed to consider what I said.So?
How can you on one hand claim you are part of the 99% and on the other appoint a dog as your 'leader'? ...
False. It simply, factually, inarguably shows nothing about people's cares. It (purportedly) shows what people are doing searches on. You do have to search for OWS if you don't know anything about them. You don't have to search for OWS if you already know what they are and where to get updated information.The first graph shows fewer and fewer people care about learning more about OWS, and what they are doing.
Nice straw man. Kindly show me where I said OWS is growing. Though it obviously has grown tremendously, I've made no recent assertions that it is still growing. I did point out that support for OWS is increasing, according to the DATA in a survey I saw a week or so ago. I believe I also acknowledged that information was somewhat dated.You have ZERO data backing up any claims that OWS is growing. I on the other hand have at least some that shows interest in it is declining.
I've already refuted this. Your repeating the same things over and over doesn't make them more true. If you can offer something new that challenges my rebuttal, then we have a debate. If all you do is repeat the same things, what we have is a parrot. The choice is yours.The second line is news. And it shows that OWS is becoming less and less news worthy. Which means they are becoming more and more irrelevant. If they were in fact CHANGING anything. They would be generating MORE news stories not fewer.
Be careful what you wish for. Certainly the media love to report about violence. It makes great headlines and great ratings. I'm not advocating OWS support violent acts, however, and I think it's commendable OWS has kept things as peaceful as they have.Maybe they just need another riot to liven things up. Because right now, they are fading into the backs of peoples minds.
<snip>
Be careful what you wish for. Certainly the media love to report about violence. It makes great headlines and great ratings. I'm not advocating OWS support violent acts, however, and I think it's commendable OWS has kept things as peaceful as they have.
Anyone have the link handy? I'm pretty sure Spidey was proclaiming Perry as the next POTUS. I didn't verify this, however.The bet is 500 bucks says Obama won't win 2012 presidential election.
Care to make a wager liberal? You simply have to respond with bet or no bet.
Run, Spidey, run. It's what you're best at.You have completely lost touch with reality if you think they have been peaceful. Talk about cognitive dissonance. It is only going to get worse and more violent as the useful idiots feel emboldened now. You're on the wrong side of history pal.
Run, Spidey, run. It's what you're best at.
Learn to read dipshit. You go back and read the thread ... all of it, not just the parts that echo your nutter faith. Nobody is denying there has been violence. I've specifically commented on the need for OWS to reduce it. The point is the amount of violence compared to the size of the movement, and the efforts by OWS to keep things peaceful.Go back and read this thread where many people have pointed out the violence. It is you who seem to be ignoring facts and reality.
Learn to read dipshit. You go back and read the thread ... all of it, not just the parts that echo your nutter faith. Nobody is denying there has been violence. I've specifically commented on the need for OWS to reduce it. The point is the amount of violence compared to the size of the movement, and the efforts by OWS to keep things peaceful.
BTW, I guess the war in Iraq was almost over in 2006... I mean, there were so few searches on it and much less news coverage....