#OccupyWallstreet

[halik]

Jumble 10 different things into one much?

The police state comment from airdata



Fail to see anything about fascists, nazis or yelling during ceremonies.

I was under the impression he was responding to the guy getting arrested at that swearing in ceremony? His was a hyperbole in either case.

There's also another video of some retard telling a cop "you're with us, you're the 99% too" and when the cop tells him not to touch him, the kid flips back to "you're a fucking nazi" blah blah. It's certainly not the first time the nuttier of OWS kids went that route.

 

[airdata]

LOL! You really are a nutcase, ya know that?

Too damn funny...

What's funny? When you watch a video of police beating college girls w\ clubs does your brain associate that with OK?

Is that what happens when you see pictures of police 3-man tackle a guy to the cement who is fully compliant and submissive in his arrest?

Or what about pepper spraying a guy in the face point blank who you've already got handcuffed and sitting quietly on the ground?


Please, I'd really like to hear how incidents like that make you feel and then we can sort out who's nuts.

 

[airdata]

It is illegal to record the police in several states, and will become illegal in more states in the future. Using a strobe light to prevent illegal video taping of the police is no different from wearing body armor to prevent illegal shooting of the police.

They don't like getting the rodney king treatment, I know. Most criminals don't like to be video taped committing their crimes.

I don't see how there's even another side to this argument YOU people are the people always spouting the whole " not a problem if you have nothing to hide"

That's what filming police is about. It's not a problem if they have nothing to hide. Obviously they do. How many times have the police been caught in lies during the #occupy movement? Videotape fucks them every time.

They do a presser and say they're not using rubber bullets or flashbangs and then they've got millions of youtube hits proving the contrary.

An honest police officer would have no problem being video taped. If they do have a problem it's because they're criminals themselves and don't want it to be documented.

 

[Nebor]

I'm pretty sure the right answer to this is to repeal laws that prohibit the videotaping of police officers, not the purchase of equipment to make it harder to do.

The police should be videotaped more, not less.

The police should be free to do what's necessary to protect the public good without worry that their actions will be Monday morning quarterbacked by a jury of ungrateful hippies that are angry at their dad.

What if we compromised? With more and more cell phones integrating QR readers, we could start embedding a pattern, code or small marker in police & military uniforms that disables recording\photography at the hardware level of all devices. Couple that with the technology found in things like "tineye" reverse image search to search photographs\videos taken from non-compliant devices for the pattern, code or marker and keep those photographs from being hosted online. A complete solution.

 

[Bowfinger]

http://photocinenews.com/2010/06/03/videotaping-law-enforcement-illegal-in-3-states/

Did you really not know about this? Similar laws are currently in several states' legislatures. The laws make it a crime to video tape an on duty police officer, even in a public place where there is no expectation of privacy.

Perhaps I've missed something, but I don't believe these laws specifically prohibit videotaping law enforcement. Instead, ethically-impaired prosecutors have abused existing wire tap laws to suppress video evidence. The argument is that these wire tap laws prohibit audio recording without the consent of all parties, and since video recordings include sound, they are therefore illegal wire taps.

It's a preposterous and corrupt argument, of course, but it has been used to successfully suppress evidence and harass citizens making recordings in public places. I don't believe any of these cases have made it to SCOTUS yet. I do believe I read of at least one conviction overturned in a district court, but I'm not certain.

(Note also that these laws vary widely by state, which muddies the topic considerably.)

Police are public servants. We pay them; they work for us. With the narrow exception of undercover officers, there is no reasonable justification for prohibiting recording as long as it is done without breaking other laws (e.g., trespassing). One would hope officers acting legally would embrace recordings since they document the officers' lawful behavior.

I saw a recent article suggesting one way to avoid such prosecution is to not record sound, just video. While that might get one off the hook legally, I doubt it will help in the heat of the moment. If the cop has decided he doesn't want you to record, he's not likely to listen calmly as you explain you're only capturing video and are therefore in the right.

 

[airdata]

The police should be free to do what's necessary to protect the public good without worry that their actions will be Monday morning quarterbacked by a jury of ungrateful hippies that are angry at their dad.

The problem with your statement is that they're not doing what is necessary. They're going well beyond necessary which is where the criticism comes in.

When you have footage of police beating people and pepperspraying people that are already cuffed, there's just not a valid escuse for that behavior. They took some vacation days away from officer bologna in NY for his clearly inappropriate use of pepper spray.

And now they're telling officers to cover up their badges so that they can't be held accountable.

That's just textbook bullshit. No other way to put it. Cops are supposed to work within the law, not subvert it.

 

[halik]

The police should be free to do what's necessary to protect the public good without worry that their actions will be Monday morning quarterbacked by a jury of ungrateful hippies that are angry at their dad.

What if we compromised? With more and more cell phones integrating QR readers, we could start embedding a pattern, code or small marker in police & military uniforms that disables recording\photography at the hardware level of all devices. Couple that with the technology found in things like "tineye" reverse image search to search photographs\videos taken from non-compliant devices for the pattern, code or marker and keep those photographs from being hosted online. A complete solution.

Naw,
cops should tape the hippies and hippies should tape the cops. That way neither party ends up with out of context videos the OWS kids like to post around. (ie "oh no cops jumped on a bunch of kids for no reason" and then local news shows the kids trying to flip the barricades )

 

[Bowfinger]

The police should be free to do what's necessary to protect the public good without worry that their actions will be Monday morning quarterbacked by a jury of ungrateful hippies that are angry at their dad.

What if we compromised? With more and more cell phones integrating QR readers, we could start embedding a pattern, code or small marker in police & military uniforms that disables recording\photography at the hardware level of all devices. Couple that with the technology found in things like "tineye" reverse image search to search photographs\videos taken from non-compliant devices for the pattern, code or marker and keep those photographs from being hosted online. A complete solution.

That's one way to look at it. An authoritarian's wet dream.

 

[momeNt]

The police should be free to do what's necessary to protect the public good without worry that their actions will be Monday morning quarterbacked by a jury of ungrateful hippies that are angry at their dad.

What if we compromised? With more and more cell phones integrating QR readers, we could start embedding a pattern, code or small marker in police & military uniforms that disables recording\photography at the hardware level of all devices. Couple that with the technology found in things like "tineye" reverse image search to search photographs\videos taken from non-compliant devices for the pattern, code or marker and keep those photographs from being hosted online. A complete solution.

That's probably one of the more hilarious uses of sarcasm I have seen on this forum.

 

[Bowfinger]

That's probably one of the more hilarious uses of sarcasm I have seen on this forum.

If that was sarcasm, you're right, it's hilarious. Sadly, I think he was serious. If he wasn't, I offer him my profuse apologies for my malfunctioning sarcasm detector.

 

[fskimospy]

The police should be free to do what's necessary to protect the public good without worry that their actions will be Monday morning quarterbacked by a jury of ungrateful hippies that are angry at their dad.

I'm pretty sure you're just trolling here, but obviously the answer to that is no. It is not the police's job to determine what is in the public good, so there would be no reason to leave it up to them. Being videotaped in no way inhibits their actions to enforce the law so long as their own behavior is within guidelines they are already bound by.

The police are very similar to the military in this respect, they have proven time and again throughout history that they cannot be trusted to act responsibly when left to their own devices, therefore they need to be closely monitored to ensure they behave themselves. It's sad, but true.

What if we compromised? With more and more cell phones integrating QR readers, we could start embedding a pattern, code or small marker in police & military uniforms that disables recording\photography at the hardware level of all devices. Couple that with the technology found in things like "tineye" reverse image search to search photographs\videos taken from non-compliant devices for the pattern, code or marker and keep those photographs from being hosted online. A complete solution.

That's not a compromise at all. Citizens should be free to videotape public officials performing public duties in public at all times without any restraint on their ability to do so. There is no compromise, because the argument against videotaping police has no merit. There's no point on going halfway to stupid.

 

[Paul98]

The police are there to inflame, they aren't trying to keep the protesters in check in any rational way. But that's what you get with the system and corruption we have with the police forces, where the vast majority think they are above there law and can abuse their power. And they can, as we have seen over and over they get caught doing something that should land them in jail yet nothing comes of it. Only time they do is when they mess with the wrong person which almost never happens.

 

[monovillage]

What's funny? When you watch a video of police beating college girls w\ clubs does your brain associate that with OK?

Is that what happens when you see pictures of police 3-man tackle a guy to the cement who is fully compliant and submissive in his arrest?

Or what about pepper spraying a guy in the face point blank who you've already got handcuffed and sitting quietly on the ground?


Please, I'd really like to hear how incidents like that make you feel and then we can sort out who's nuts.

For one thing the cop that sprayed the handcuffed guy is being prosecuted for it.
http://www.wgal.com/r/29456792/detail.html
Having seen a bunch of videos showing 3 cops taking down a struggling, kicking and violent protester you'd have to show me which video it was, along with enough footage to show what was going on earlier. Have you seen the video of the #Occupy mom pushing the wagon with her 2 little kids in it to blockade a door? How did that make you feel?

 

[monovillage]

Naw,
cops should tape the hippies and hippies should tape the cops. That way neither party ends up with out of context videos the OWS kids like to post around. (ie "oh no cops jumped on a bunch of kids for no reason" and then local news shows the kids trying to flip the barricades )

This, the #Occupy protesters are taking much more PR damage from the large numbers of videos then the cops are.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

For one thing the cop that sprayed the handcuffed guy is being prosecuted for it.
http://www.wgal.com/r/29456792/detail.html

Good! I hope he gets the maximum sentence possible.

 

[Nebor]

That's not a compromise at all. Citizens should be free to videotape public officials performing public duties in public at all times without any restraint on their ability to do so. There is no compromise, because the argument against videotaping police has no merit. There's no point on going halfway to stupid.

I have a feeling things are heading more in my direction than yours.

 

[Paul98]

The police should be free to do what's necessary to protect the public good without worry that their actions will be Monday morning quarterbacked by a jury of ungrateful hippies that are angry at their dad.

What if we compromised? With more and more cell phones integrating QR readers, we could start embedding a pattern, code or small marker in police & military uniforms that disables recording\photography at the hardware level of all devices. Couple that with the technology found in things like "tineye" reverse image search to search photographs\videos taken from non-compliant devices for the pattern, code or marker and keep those photographs from being hosted online. A complete solution.

I should be able to stop police from doing illegal things at any cost to protect the public from there gross incompetence and corruption and able to arrest and throw them in jail. If they try to tape my illegal action I should be able to stop it, and then do what ever I want to them. That makes about as much sense as you.

What we need is cops being monitored with out them knowing at many times, being reviewed and checked up on to not only make sure they are doing their job in a place that they should. Not by the police force but by another agency that over sees them. The current police forces in most of the cities need oversight right now the abuse is over the top.

 

[Bowfinger]

[ ... ]
The police are very similar to the military in this respect, they have proven time and again throughout history that they cannot be trusted to act responsibly when left to their own devices, therefore they need to be closely monitored to ensure they behave themselves. It's sad, but true. ...

I don't think that's fair at all. Most police are honest and well-intentioned men and women who are doing their best to serve the public within the boundaries others impose. They are human, however, meaning even the best can make mistakes. Obviously you also get a dishonorable and corrupt few who abuse their positions. That is why they need to be monitored, not for the vast majority of good cops, but for the few that are bad. Checks and balances, always.

 

[monovillage]

I don't think that's fair at all. Most police are honest and well-intentioned men and women who are doing their best to serve the public within the boundaries others impose. They are human, however, meaning even the best can make mistakes. Obviously you also get a dishonorable and corrupt few who abuse their positions. That is why they need to be monitored, not for the vast majority of good cops, but for the few that are bad. Checks and balances, always.

Good post

 

[Bowfinger]

This, the #Occupy protesters are taking much more PR damage from the large numbers of videos then the cops are.

I think that depends on where one gets his "news". If it's from primarily right-wing sources, you'll see lots of videos of protestors behaving badly. If it's from the left, you'll see lots of peaceful protestors being abused by bad cops. The truth, as always, is likely in the middle.

 

[Nebor]

What we need is cops being monitored with out them knowing at many times, being reviewed and checked up on to not only make sure they are doing their job in a place that they should. Not by the police force but by another agency that over sees them. The current police forces in most of the cities need oversight right now the abuse is over the top.

I think you endanger the police by making them wear their names. Criminals and angry protesters (same thing really) could track them down at home and harm their families. I can understand using badge numbers as long as the registry attached to those badge numbers isn't publicly available or subject to FoIA requests. If you establish another agency to police the police, who would police them? The fact is that the police are charged with policing society as a whole, so certainly they can handle policing themselves too. But adding transparency to that process impedes their ability to do their jobs well. Besides, at some level the FBI is in charge of policing state and local law enforcement agencies.

 

[Paul98]

Really monitoring police would make a huge positive impact for both the police and public. You can understand mistakes being made but it would become obvious who the good and bad cops are.

 

[Nebor]

Really monitoring police would make a huge positive impact for both the police and public. You can understand mistakes being made but it would become obvious who the good and bad cops are.

I think more public good would be obtained from more extensive monitoring of the public a la CCTV in the UK. The public has a much higher rate of criminality than any police force, plus the public is actually much greater in number than the police force. So if we're going to start monitoring anyone more, it should be the public.

 

[airdata]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buovLQ9qyWQ&feature=player_embedded

And... defend the police behavior.

Do those college girls look so threatening that they need to be repeatedly jabbed in the gut w\ a club?

How do those guys even sleep at night?

 

[spidey07]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buovLQ9qyWQ&feature=player_embedded

And... defend the police behavior.

Do those college girls look so threatening that they need to be repeatedly jabbed in the gut w\ a club?

How do those guys even sleep at night?

They were told to leave, they did not leave. You do know those are called hippy sticks for a reason, right?

Consequences to one's actions, how do they work? I love that video by the way.