I think you endanger the police by making them wear their names. Criminals and angry protesters (same thing really) could track them down at home and harm their families. I can understand using badge numbers as long as the registry attached to those badge numbers isn't publicly available or subject to FoIA requests. If you establish another agency to police the police, who would police them? The fact is that the police are charged with policing society as a whole, so certainly they can handle policing themselves too. But adding transparency to that process impedes their ability to do their jobs well. Besides, at some level the FBI is in charge of policing state and local law enforcement agencies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buovLQ9qyWQ&feature=player_embedded
And... defend the police behavior.
Do those college girls look so threatening that they need to be repeatedly jabbed in the gut w\ a club?
How do those guys even sleep at night?
You're sick...seek help.They were told to leave, they did not leave. You do know those are called hippy sticks for a reason, right?
Consequences to one's actions, how do they work? I love that video by the way.
Seconded. Although right course of action would be protest at the states' capitals, not get into fights with cops.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buovLQ9qyWQ&feature=player_embedded
And... defend the police behavior.
Do those college girls look so threatening that they need to be repeatedly jabbed in the gut w\ a club?
How do those guys even sleep at night?
They were told they couldn't set up encampments, that they couldn't be there, that they needed to leave and they didn't comply. The police made them move. I would have used pepper spray or tear gas instead. If you watch the video carefully you'll see several of the criminals grab the police officer's batons and try to take them away, which could easily escalate into a lethal force event.
Which is where the Occupy Albany protesters are camped out. In fact they have even entered the capitol building a few times to carry out their protest activities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buovLQ9qyWQ&feature=player_embedded
And... defend the police behavior.
Do those college girls look so threatening that they need to be repeatedly jabbed in the gut w\ a club?
How do those guys even sleep at night?
The police are there to inflame, they aren't trying to keep the protesters in check in any rational way. But that's what you get with the system and corruption we have with the police forces, where the vast majority think they are above there law and can abuse their power. And they can, as we have seen over and over they get caught doing something that should land them in jail yet nothing comes of it. Only time they do is when they mess with the wrong person which almost never happens.
This was a well set up video, probably by an organizer with experience. You can see one guy look up and point to the camera guy before the action starts. Lots of girls in the front line. The cops had probably been ordering them to move for..... hours? Doesn't get shown how long they were violating police orders. Then when the cops move in with lots of violence (pre-planned by the protesters) they get their martyrs and their video. Whoopeee ohhh those violent nasty pigs! Look what they did ! (did you get my good side in that video?)
How is trespassing gonna accomplish anything? How about coming up with some cogent policy ideas and setting up a meeting with supportive politicians?
I don't think that's fair at all. Most police are honest and well-intentioned men and women who are doing their best to serve the public within the boundaries others impose. They are human, however, meaning even the best can make mistakes. Obviously you also get a dishonorable and corrupt few who abuse their positions. That is why they need to be monitored, not for the vast majority of good cops, but for the few that are bad. Checks and balances, always.
They were told to leave, they did not leave. You do know those are called hippy sticks for a reason, right?
Consequences to one's actions, how do they work? I love that video by the way.
Hahahaha. Good one.
Damn those protesters for getting in the way of the police's nightsticks!
The police exist to serve and protect the public, not the other way around. Your views are more compatible with the old Soviet Union than with America, (purported) land of the free.I think more public good would be obtained from more extensive monitoring of the public a la CCTV in the UK. The public has a much higher rate of criminality than any police force, plus the public is actually much greater in number than the police force. So if we're going to start monitoring anyone more, it should be the public.
the police exist to serve and protect the public, not the other way around. Your views are more compatible with the old soviet union than with america, (purported) land of the free.
I can tell you how the PROFESSIONAL peace officers in Iowa handled a similar situation. Pairs of officers carried protestors away, one at a time, and arrested them. It's more work I suppose, and you don't get your rocks off punching defenseless kids, but it achieved the same goal without hurting anyone.What do you suggest they should do? Their orders to make them leave.
When I personally disregard police order, i expect to get tazed.
Edit: looks like it worked http://www.kron.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=2269
It got them airtime on NPR to get their message out.
You said in the quoted post that they should be protesting at the state capitols. I then cited a reference where this has been ongoing already, thus, implying that you're goals are in line with Occupy. So now you're going to flip-flop?
I can tell you how the PROFESSIONAL peace officers in Iowa handled a similar situation. Pairs of officers carried protestors away, one at a time, and arrested them. It's more work I suppose, and you don't get your rocks off punching defenseless kids, but it achieved the same goal without hurting anyone.
With all due respect, you just don't get it. Meeting with politicians accomplishes exactly jack squat when those politicians have been corrupted by special interest money. They'll just smile and nod and keep doing what they've always done ... selling themselves to the highest bidders. In order to break this cycle, you need broad public outrage, and that means you need public attention. That's what protests do, call attention to the problem.I think you're missing my point entirely. Protesting - sitting around, making signs, yelling slogans and pounding on random shit doesn't *accomplish* anything. The guy that shot up Giffords got NPR airtime too.
Get a bunch of people, come up with policy idea and then march to the capitol and meet up politicians. Camping is what 10 year old kids over the summer.
This was a well set up video, probably by an organizer with experience. You can see one guy look up and point to the camera guy before the action starts. Lots of girls in the front line. The cops had probably been ordering them to move for..... hours? Doesn't get shown how long they were violating police orders. Then when the cops move in with lots of violence (pre-planned by the protesters) they get their martyrs and their video. Whoopeee ohhh those violent nasty pigs! Look what they did ! (did you get my good side in that video?)
The police exist to serve and protect the public, not the other way around. Your views are more compatible with the old Soviet Union than with America, (purported) land of the free.