You honestly don't think there wasn't a man, woman or child that desperately needed help from a police officer during the time they were tied up with the protesters, but didn't get any help, or the help they got was late?
If there was imminent or urgent danger elsewhere, WTF were the police doing butting heads with that group of protestors? That would be incompetent at best, negligent at worst.
That's going to be quite difficult considering that the violence is turning the average American against the movement. Violence and crimes are the only thing being reported these days.
Not exactly. As has been discussed before in this thread, violence and crime are "the only thing being reported" from the right wing news sites. They have to keep the faithful properly outraged, you know.
That said, I've been saying since early in the thread that OWS needs to keep their violent fringe in check or it will hurt their support. Others have posted that various police infiltrators are causing many of the problems, intending to discredit the movement. I don't know that I believe that, at least to any significant extent, but I did think it was interesting that the Oakland police spokesman a couple of weeks ago said the violence was coming from a small band of anarchists and provocateurs, not the main OWS crowd.
Not exactly. As has been discussed before in this thread, violence and crime are "the only thing being reported" from the right wing news sites. They have to keep the faithful properly outraged, you know.
That said, I've been saying since early in the thread that OWS needs to keep their violent fringe in check or it will hurt their support. Others have posted that various police infiltrators are causing many of the problems, intending to discredit the movement. I don't know that I believe that, at least to any significant extent, but I did think it was interesting that the Oakland police spokesman a couple of weeks ago said the violence was coming from a small band of anarchists and provocateurs, not the main OWS crowd.
This. Righties will seek to exaggerate and sensationalize any violence that occurs, obviously, and will claim the movement is "losing support" no matter what.
It's what they want to believe, so they do, and their pundits will spoon feed it right to 'em...
Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, & the rest know what they want to hear, and tell 'em continuously.
So you're saying CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and The New York Times are reporting only "Violence and crimes?" Really? Do I need to go to those sites and link articles that show you're full of it? Those were your words, Sparky, "Violence and crimes are the only thing being reported these days." and I explained why you were wrong.I didn't know that CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and The New York Times were right wing news sites.
Speaking of "too blind to see," here are my words Sparky, in the comment to which you replied: "I've been saying since early in the thread that OWS needs to keep their violent fringe in check or it will hurt their support." What part of that was too hard for you to understand, or did you even bother to read what I wrote before you knee-jerked off your next attack?The movement is losing support from average Americans, you guys are too blind to see what the violence and crime is doing to your precious movement.
Seems like a rather romanticized spin on the TP to me.
Interesting claim. I assume you can back that up with objective, credible data showing that TP funding and OWS funding are at all comparable? No, of course you can't. You're just repeating the talking points you've been fed without ever attempting to validate them.
By the way, I see a world of difference between corporate interests buying off the Tea Party to shill for them compared to unions that (nominally) represent American citizens. Government is supposed to represent the people, not the corporations. That said, I support getting all special interest money out of politics, both corporate and union. That money is what corrupts government.
claim the movement is "losing support" no matter what.
OWS are using teacher union offices, aflcio has google ads up (heritage foundation, they have their own agenda, but valid point in this case)
Tea party has many idiotic ideas, the cut all government and no more taxes evar are two of em.
Unions are part of the 99%, so it's natural they'd feel kinship & offer support. They've fought for many of the same things as OWS for decades.
Unlike Tea Party support, it's pretty transparent, as well.
Unions are part of the 99%, so it's natural they'd feel kinship & offer support. They've fought for many of the same things as OWS for decades.
Unlike Tea Party support, it's pretty transparent, as well.
Seems like a rather romanticized spin on the TP to me.
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Tea party has many idiotic ideas, the cut all government and no more taxes evar are two of em.
lol... you've never been a part of a labor union have you? no you haven't, you're just as misinformed as all the other idiots. labor unions only care about themselves, not even the industry, if crashing an industry would prevent others from gaining the strength they have, they would do it. mind you this wouldn't be the original mind set of most, you know the 99%, of union members, but from the top? yeah they're no fucking different and usually pretty good buddies with those who run business.
Nice mindless rant. I expected no less.
That's my whole point - people with vested interest in the respective groups proposals will invariably support them.
It's pretty clear on both sides - it's not as if people like Palin or Beck keep that shit secret.
figures thats the response. If you cant address the points, attack the poster.
figures thats the response. If you cant address the points, attack the poster.
Says the guy that romanticizes everything about OWS. Every incendent is isolated. Every crime is over looked, or made up by the MSM.
He didn't make any points because it was just an unsubstantiated anti-union rant. He offered no evidence or argument, just invective as assertion, with ad hom.
Not to mention that he's failed to offer any evidence the two groups are comparably funded as he suggested.Of course. OTOH, the source of Tea Party funding is largely obscured by a variety of the usual repub beards & tricks, including sock puppets trying to edit wikipedia-
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/03/09/149408/koch-wikipedia-sock-puppet/
Unions are upfront about it, as they should be.
Fox News, the Koch Bros & Dick Armey can't afford to be- it'd reveal the "grass roots" Tea Party to be astroturf...
http://www.kgoam810.com/Article.asp?id=2334262&spid=18042
Oakland Police sued over crowd control tactics at recent Occupy rallies.