#OccupyWallstreet

[monovillage]

Is it actually illegal to camp in a private park in NYC or is just against park rules? If it's the latter they weren't breaking the law. Until yesterday the owners of the park didn't ask the city to take any action there was no legal issue.

So you think it would be legal for anyone owning property in NYC to live in a tent out in the front yard? No, that wouldn't work because they own the property, maybe if they set up a tent at some randoms guys house? I'm sure that would be legal. Then they could harass and yell at the guy when he walks by and use his bushes for a bathroom, i bet it'd be legal. No building enforcement, no safety codes, illegal electricity, overcrowding. umm no, it's not legal. I can sure understand where supporters of #Occupy would want people to think it was though.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/occupiers-cut-locks-on-church-lot-crowd-streams-in/

OWS cuts locks

 

[fskimospy]

So you think it would be legal for anyone owning property in NYC to live in a tent out in the front yard? No, that wouldn't work because they own the property, maybe if they set up a tent at some randoms guys house? I'm sure that would be legal. Then they could harass and yell at the guy when he walks by and use his bushes for a bathroom, i bet it'd be legal. No building enforcement, no safety codes, illegal electricity, overcrowding. umm no, it's not legal. I can sure understand where supporters of #Occupy would want people to think it was though.

You realize that Zuccotti park is part of a somewhat unique number of public/private places in the city, right? It's private owned land that the owners are prohibited from restricting public access to.

 

[fskimospy]

Distract, attack and deflect.

Are you denying the article and yet more proof of who the protesters really are?

Comeon Spidey, lets see the face of insanity! Are you afraid that the Marxist/Communist/Black/Liberal people are going to hunt you down?

 

[Ninjahedge]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/occupiers-cut-locks-on-church-lot-crowd-streams-in/

OWS cuts locks

What a hateful biased venomous site.

What, you can't find an NPR story documenting this? Is it too hard to not be spoon fed what you think and post?

 

[JSt0rm]

Comeon Spidey, lets see the face of insanity! Are you afraid that the Marxist/Communist/Black/Liberal people are going to hunt you down?

I'm not asking for his face or any personal info. I was able to provide what he asked of me in 10 minutes and here we are days later with nothing from him. Fake.

 

[spidey07]

What a hateful biased venomous site.

What, you can't find an NPR story documenting this? Is it too hard to not be spoon fed what you think and post?

If you bothered to read the article, they cite NYTimes.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2...tti-park/?scp=1&sq=bloomberg statement&st=cse

 

[Londo_Jowo]

What a hateful biased venomous site.

What, you can't find an NPR story documenting this? Is it too hard to not be spoon fed what you think and post?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...clear-occupy-wall-street-protesters-from-park

Update at 12:20 p.m. ET. More Arrests:
After some protesters cut a lock to get into the grounds of Trinity Church in lower Manhattan, others "flooded in," the Times' City Room blog reports. Just this hour, it added, "police came in and cleared them out, arresting about two dozen people. At least four journalists, including a reporter and a photographer from The Associated Press, a reporter from The Daily News and a photographer from DNAInfo, were led out in plastic handcuffs."

 

[monovillage]

You realize that Zuccotti park is part of a somewhat unique number of public/private places in the city, right? It's private owned land that the owners are prohibited from restricting public access to.

The difference between us is that I think that what is illegal for one group should be illegal for another group. If the Tea Party decided to camp out at Zuccotti or any other public/private park i'd say it was illegal and they should be removed. If the Westboro Baptists camped out at Zuccotti park to protest i'd say it's illegal and they should be removed. I say the #Occupy protesters are breaking the law by camping there and should be removed. Since you agree with the #Occupy movement you feel they should get special treatment, I don't.

 

[spidey07]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...clear-occupy-wall-street-protesters-from-park

Next will come Bowfinger to claim that NPR is a fringe nutter site...

3-2-1...

 

[halik]

The difference between us is that I think that what is illegal for one group should be illegal for another group. If the Tea Party decided to camp out at Zuccotti or any other public/private park i'd say it was illegal and they should be removed. If the Westboro Baptists camped out at Zuccotti park to protest i'd say it's illegal and they should be removed. I say the #Occupy protesters are breaking the law by camping there and should be removed. Since you agree with the #Occupy movement you feel they should get special treatment, I don't.

This. My take on it is if I can't legally camp in lower manhattan for shits and giggles, the fact that you have more people should in no way impact the legality of camping in lower manhattan.

I'm sure eskimospy would be equally supportive of pro-life people camped out on private property across the street from planned parenthood.

 

[fskimospy]

The difference between us is that I think that what is illegal for one group should be illegal for another group. If the Tea Party decided to camp out at Zuccotti or any other public/private park i'd say it was illegal and they should be removed. If the Westboro Baptists camped out at Zuccotti park to protest i'd say it's illegal and they should be removed. I say the #Occupy protesters are breaking the law by camping there and should be removed. Since you agree with the #Occupy movement you feel they should get special treatment, I don't.

Well the whole point is that it does not appear they are breaking the law, hence the judge's restraining order against the city.

I personally believe that the US has gone way way too far in restricting the right to protest. 'Free speech zones' at political events that shepherd protesters into tiny out of the way boxes, etc, etc.

 

[Ninjahedge]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...clear-occupy-wall-street-protesters-from-park

Better.


Seriously, if you want people to give you more credit, search for references that are either more neutral OR more aligned with the people you are directing at.


thanks!

 

[halik]

Well the whole point is that it does not appear they are breaking the law, hence the judge's restraining order against the city.

I personally believe that the US has gone way way too far in restricting the right to protest. 'Free speech zones' at political events that shepherd protesters into tiny out of the way boxes, etc, etc.

Oh come on, they Judge-shopped for the most supportive person they could find and didn't get a restraining order until 6 hours later. Camping on private property being a constitutionally-protected speech is a horrid stretch if even. I'd imagine all this stuff about regulating overnight protests was hashed out in the 60s anyway, it's not like what they're doing is somehow new.

 

[monovillage]

Well the whole point is that it does not appear they are breaking the law, hence the judge's restraining order against the city.

I personally believe that the US has gone way way too far in restricting the right to protest. 'Free speech zones' at political events that shepherd protesters into tiny out of the way boxes, etc, etc.

I agree with you about "Free Speech" zones. I don't agree that setting up tents and living in Zuccotti is in any way legal and would be allowed by any other group.

 

[fskimospy]

Oh come on, they Judge-shopped for the most supportive person they could find and didn't get a restraining order until 6 hours later. Camping on private property being a constitutionally-protected speech is a horrid stretch if even. I'd imagine all this stuff about regulating overnight protests was hashed out in the 60s anyway, it's not like what they're doing is somehow new.

For all intents and purposes in this case it is not private property. The owners are prohibited by law from exercising exclusivity of access to it.

If the judicial system finds that it was legal to evict them, then so be it. So far it hasn't. Please don't engage in the classic American tradition of deciding that any judge who disagrees with them is some sort of ideologue ignoring the law.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Better.


Seriously, if you want people to give you more credit, search for references that are either more neutral OR more aligned with the people you are directing at.


thanks!

Seriously I grabbed the first link on a Google search. NPR didn't show up in the Google search, I had to search on NPR's site.

It doesn't really matter where it was reported, acts such as these will be the undoing of the OWS movement.

 

[monovillage]

Seriously I grabbed the first link on a Google search. NPR didn't show up in the Google search, I had to search on NPR's site.

It doesn't really matter where it was reported, acts such as these will be the undoing of the OWS movement.

I think #Occupy made a serious error when they declared a massive march to shut down Wall Street. My bet it's what got them booted out of the park. Closing down Wall Street would do serious economic damage to the U.S.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Seriously I grabbed the first link on a Google search. NPR didn't show up in the Google search, I had to search on NPR's site.

It doesn't really matter where it was reported, acts such as these will be the undoing of the OWS movement.

Acts such as these might, but acts like being booted out just after midnight does not help the city's position on this.

There are many lining up in the wings and expressing their dissatisfaction with the way things were handled. Even those that agreed on the end result did not like the means and methods.

 

[JockoJohnson]

For all intents and purposes in this case it is not private property. The owners are prohibited by law from exercising exclusivity of access to it.

If the judicial system finds that it was legal to evict them, then so be it. So far it hasn't. Please don't engage in the classic American tradition of deciding that any judge who disagrees with them is some sort of ideologue ignoring the law.

OK. So the owners couldn't exercise exclusivity of the park but guess who did...OWS!

That's just an opinion. I am sure you or others will come back and say that people could safely jog through it, walk with their dogs, babies, etc. And I might just go jogging through Harlem in the middle of the night as well because it is so safe.

 

[Ninjahedge]

I think #Occupy made a serious error when they declared a massive march to shut down Wall Street. My bet it's what got them booted out of the park. Closing down Wall Street would do serious economic damage to the U.S.

How DARE they protest the ones that took our money and constructed the fiscal mechanism that sent us into this recession!


I mean, what kind of person protests a group that is allowed to buy our government officials and use them like private employees?

 

[halik]

For all intents and purposes in this case it is not private property. The owners are prohibited by law from exercising exclusivity of access to it.

If the judicial system finds that it was legal to evict them, then so be it. So far it hasn't. Please don't engage in the classic American tradition of deciding that any judge who disagrees with them is some sort of ideologue ignoring the law.

OWS attorneys were the ones that called a specific judge* to ask for an injunction; the case is was randomly assigned afterwards. You can't argue that wasn't part of the OWS strategy. Ginsberg and Scalia disagreed most of their tenure; does that mean that one or the other was ignoring the law?

* democrat, former ACLU atty.

 

[JockoJohnson]

How there they protest the ones that took our money and constructed the fiscal mechanism that sent us into this recession!


I mean, what kind of person protests a group that is allowed to buy our government officials and use them like private employees?

This I can agree with. If OWS could come together on one topic, it would be to actually protest Wall Street by marching down it instead of just sitting in a park. The financial institutions that created the mess need to be held accountable and thus far, they have not been in the slightest.

 

[Ninjahedge]

OK. So the owners couldn't exercise exclusivity of the park but guess who did...OWS!

That's just an opinion. I am sure you or others will come back and say that people could safely jog through it, walk with their dogs, babies, etc. And I might just go jogging through Harlem in the middle of the night as well because it is so safe.

Actually, you can.

Harlem is not as bad as it was.

AAMOF, I think you were referring to Bed-Stuy....

Not that ALL of Harlem is like Mr Rogers Neighborhood, but it is not like walking through Patterson.....


As for your statement about "anybody" being allowed to use the park. Don't be stupid. Anybody can use a swing set in the park, so long as there isn't someone already on it. Do not confuse your arguments with useless technicalities that lend no weight to your argument.

 

[fskimospy]

OWS attorneys were the ones that called a specific judge* to ask for an injunction; the case is was randomly assigned afterwards. You can't argue that wasn't part of the OWS strategy.

* democrat, former ACLU atty.

Don't care. If you can point to where the judge has misapplied the law, then please do so. If he has and you can't point this out, a higher court will do so for us. If they do that, then I'm 100% down with the eviction from there. Until they do, I'm not sympathetic.

Again, everyone always attacks the motivations of judges that issue rulings they don't like. I'm tired of it.