#OccupyWallstreet

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fskimospy

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Otherwise, you'd have big tent cities in most major cities.

Once again, this is private property they are on. I'm pretty sure you can put a tent up in your own yard if you so choose.

EDIT: Oh, and btw they aren't using tents in the park, the private rules do not allow them, that's why they are using sleeping bags, etc.
 
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Fern

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The NYPD Commissioner seems to think that they weren't allowed to boot them out:

http://www.dnainfo.com/20110928/dow...nt-be-closed-wall-street-protesters-nypd-says

That's why they resorted to sanitation and other complaints, because the other ordinances wouldn't let them remove the protest. Anyone who has actually been to the park knows that there was no sanitation issue there.

You've shifted the line of discussion somewhat.

I was commenting on 'breaking the law', camping out etc.

The NYPD is talking about "closing the park". That is (legally) a separate thing of real distinction.

Closing the park != camping out.

Preventing protests != camping out.

However, from a practical standpoint I'd guess attempting to use a 'no camping' rule to stop a protest would be difficult and time consuming etc. How to differentiate who is, for all intents and purposes, camping there and who is merely 'visiting' for a period of time, even if overnight?

Fern
 

fskimospy

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You've shifted the line of discussion somewhat.

I was commenting on 'breaking the law', camping out etc.

The NYPD is talking about "closing the park". That is (legally) a separate thing of real distinction.

Closing the park != camping out.

Preventing protests != camping out.

However, from a practical standpoint I'd guess attempting to use a 'no camping' rule to stop a protest would be difficult and time consuming etc. How to differentiate who is, for all intents and purposes, camping there and who is merely 'visiting' for a period of time, even if overnight?

Fern

Again though, NYC park ordinances don't apply to private property within the city. The question is if they run afoul of the private rules set up by the company that owns the park, and it appears that they do not. (again, hence the sanitation line of attack, it was likely one of the only ones they had available.)

This is a pretty unique situation, and that's why it's been so hard for the NYPD to shut it down... and trust me they want to shut it down REALLY badly. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the rules for publicly accessible private spaces are revised after this is all over to prevent just this sort of thing from happening again.
 

spidey07

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Waaaahmbulances race to the scene!

Read it here. This should shut up eskimo pie-hole as it clearly details why they don't have the right to be there and the city does have every right to kick them out.
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2...rk/?scp=1&sq=bloomberg%20statement&st=cse

The protester attorney's for the groups were from two Unions and a super far left progressive group the Working Families party.

Tell me again this isn't a far left fringe movement again...
 
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fskimospy

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fskimospy

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Good thing you used a "clean liberal source" instead of an "hateful biased venomous source".

Gee, I have no idea why the paper of record for the entire United States is a more credible source than Glenn Beck's news website. I mean that guy is totally credible and with it on everything else, so why not news?
 

Londo_Jowo

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Gee, I have no idea why the paper of record for the entire United States is a more credible source than Glenn Beck's news website. I mean that guy is totally credible and with it on everything else, so why not news?

Unless the linked source comes from NPR, Huffington Post, or the New York Times liberals in this forum piss their pants and squeal like little babies.
 

spidey07

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Unless the linked source comes from NPR, Huffington Post, or the New York Times liberals in this forum piss their pants and squeal like little babies.

Which is even funnier, because your artlicle specifically cited NYTimes. Here's the mind of a liberal...

1) Fox news running AP article = faux news, it's faux and bad!
2) NY Times running exact same AP article = Truth to be heralded for all times
 

fskimospy

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Unless the linked source comes from NPR, Huffington Post, or the New York Times liberals in this forum piss their pants and squeal like little babies.

False.

I simply ask it comes from a credible source, and the Blaze is not a credible source. The Wall St. Journal is a conservative newspaper that I would happily accept an article from.
 

fskimospy

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From the New York Times article.



I thought OWS supporters were claiming this park had to be opened 24/7.

From the statements of the mayor in the same article:

“The law that created Zuccotti Park required that it be open for the public to enjoy for passive recreation 24 hours a day,”

I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be open 24/7, as everything else I've read has said such.
 

Londo_Jowo

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False.

I simply ask it comes from a credible source, and the Blaze is not a credible source. The Wall St. Journal is a conservative newspaper that I would happily accept an article from.

The Blaze site cited the NY Times article, it's not my fault if your/other forum member's hatred blinds you/them from reading and seeing that it was actually coming from a "credible source".

The Blaze has confirmed that Occupy Wall Street protesters cut through a fence on a lot owned by Trinity Church, a major landowner in Manhattan. Earlier this morning, the New York Times reported:
 

Ns1

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The Blaze site cited the NY Times article, it's not my fault if your/other forum member's hatred blinds you/them from reading and seeing that it was actually coming from a "credible source".

Updated, 4:34 p.m. | Not long after the protesters cut the fence at the lot owned by Trinity Church just west of Duarte Square and flooded in, the police came in and cleared them out, arresting about two dozen people.

At least four journalists who followed the protesters onto the church site, including a reporter and a photographer from The Associated Press, a reporter from The Daily News and a photographer from DNAInfo, were led out in plastic handcuffs.

A few of the detentions were done roughly -- one man was thrown on the ground by the police and officers kneeled on his back. But most were more routine.

A Trinity Church spokesman said of the protesters at their lot, "We did not invite any of those people in."

Tuesday afternoon, the church released the following statement:

Duarte Square, at the intersection of Canal Street and Sixth Avenue and a block from the Holland Tunnel, is comprised of both public and private land. Duarte Park, on the eastern edge, is City-owned public land. The larger enclosed portion of the square is private space owned by Trinity Wall Street and currently licensed for use to the Lower Manhattan Cultural Council for a temporary art installation known as "Lent Space" that is closed for the season. Neither Trinity Wall Street nor the LMCC has given permission for members of Occupy Wall Street to enter the private area.

Trinity respects the rights of citizens to protest peacefully and supports the vigorous engagement of the concerns of the protesters. Trinity continues to provide gathering and meeting spaces for Occupy Wall Street in its neighborhood center and facilities in and around Wall Street.

- Colin Moynihan

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2.../?scp=1&sq=bloomberg%20statement&st=cse#h[]

For much of the morning, hundreds of protesters had been at Duarte Square, a city park at Canal Street and Avenue of the Americas about a mile north of Zuccotti Park.

Just to the west of the square was a fenced-off, padlocked lot owned by Trinity Church, a giant landowner downtown that has been supportive of the protesters at times.

The protesters had their eye on the church's lot. In midmorning, a delegation of protesters said they were trying to obtain permission from church officials to occupy the lot.

It was not clear how that negotiation went, but shortly before 11 a.m., a man climbed up on the plywood fence and said, "We can occupy this space! Let's give it a shot!"

A few minutes later, two protesters dressed in black, wearing black bandannas over the lower part of their faces, used bolt cutters to snip through the chain-link fence and the crowd began streaming in. Even as they did, police vans sped down Varick Street toward Zuccotti Park, where another group of several hundred protesters was trying to retake the park.

- Colin Moynihan

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ters-cut-lock-on-lot-owned-by-church-flood-in



#lolws
 
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halik

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Well I think that's about the end of that. I will say 80:20 on clashes with cops later tonight.
 

Icepick

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More win for OWS:

Congress Seeking To End Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Executive Bonuses

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/15/congress-seeking-to-end-f_n_1095715.html

"WASHINGTON — Congress is seeking to end the practice of paying million-dollar bonuses to executives at government-controlled mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The House Financial Services Committee approved legislation Tuesday that would suspend tens of millions in Fannie and Freddie executive compensation packages, stop future bonuses and align their salaries with other federal employees who make much less. The vote was 52-4, with strong support from both parties."
 

halik

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More win for OWS:

Congress Seeking To End Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Executive Bonuses

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/15/congress-seeking-to-end-f_n_1095715.html

"WASHINGTON — Congress is seeking to end the practice of paying million-dollar bonuses to executives at government-controlled mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The House Financial Services Committee approved legislation Tuesday that would suspend tens of millions in Fannie and Freddie executive compensation packages, stop future bonuses and align their salaries with other federal employees who make much less. The vote was 52-4, with strong support from both parties."

You're fucking retarded:
3/29/2011--Introduced.Equity in Government Compensation Act of 2011 -
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h1221/show
 

Nebor

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More win for OWS:

Congress Seeking To End Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Executive Bonuses

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/15/congress-seeking-to-end-f_n_1095715.html

"WASHINGTON — Congress is seeking to end the practice of paying million-dollar bonuses to executives at government-controlled mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The House Financial Services Committee approved legislation Tuesday that would suspend tens of millions in Fannie and Freddie executive compensation packages, stop future bonuses and align their salaries with other federal employees who make much less. The vote was 52-4, with strong support from both parties."

Well, I guess we'll see if an SES salary is enough to attract competent talent to executive positions. If not, the government might run their investment into the ground.
 
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