#OccupyWallstreet

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mizzou

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Most people don't like beat downs. It's inevitable it will be back though as things get worse. Nothing was fixed. Banks are still all insolvent just hiding it with fake accounting. Banks still aren't lending. Derivatives about to blow up which will tank marke. Companies still aren't planting roots in USA and hiring. All the basic structural problems that spawned these movements are still with us and getting worse.

The "movement" was never about education or making physical changes, it was just a cry for attention. The hippies at least had a movement behind them.

You don't like how Wal-Mart or whoever rapes this country just so we have cheap crap? Then don't do business with them. Sure it will suck, but it's the only way IMO to make changes.

I don't like Apple, so I buy none of their products. That's why Apple still has competitors, because of people like me.
 

cybrsage

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Agreed...if people are upset that corps are doing certain things, then buy from the ones who do not. Yes, it WILL mean paying more...which is why the OWS people do not do it. They would rather all the companies be forced to do things than to actually fix the problem themselves using the free market.
 

cybrsage

Lifer
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I am shocked people are supporting raising taxes one someone who makes $344,000 a year. That is the bottom rung of the 1%.
 

Jhhnn

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Most people don't like beat downs. It's inevitable it will be back though as things get worse. Nothing was fixed. Banks are still all insolvent just hiding it with fake accounting. Banks still aren't lending. Derivatives about to blow up which will tank marke. Companies still aren't planting roots in USA and hiring. All the basic structural problems that spawned these movements are still with us and getting worse.

You're correct, and all the smug right wing derision, obfuscation and denial exhibited here won't change that at all.
 

JSt0rm

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You're correct, and all the smug right wing derision, obfuscation and denial exhibited here won't change that at all.

What is sad is they would rather stay divided on the issues instead of coming together under common goals. Even if they dont full endorse everything ows stands for, there is some big common ground there.
 

HendrixFan

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Agreed...if people are upset that corps are doing certain things, then buy from the ones who do not. Yes, it WILL mean paying more...which is why the OWS people do not do it. They would rather all the companies be forced to do things than to actually fix the problem themselves using the free market.

Yes, those people struggling to work with this long period of drawn out unemployment should spend more (usually much more) money to prove their point that the system fails the majority. Do you realize that most people don't have expendable income? I think you have missed the boat on the entire point of OWS.
 

Jhhnn

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What is sad is they would rather stay divided on the issues instead of coming together under common goals. Even if they dont full endorse everything ows stands for, there is some big common ground there.

Yes, those people struggling to work with this long period of drawn out unemployment should spend more (usually much more) money to prove their point that the system fails the majority. Do you realize that most people don't have expendable income? I think you have missed the boat on the entire point of OWS.

They can't help themselves. See #2, here-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism

It's who they are, what they worship & believe in so mindlessly.

Anything they can't or won't bother to understand, they try to kill.

If Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter & the rest supported OWS, they'd be all for it, of course. See #1.
 

PeshakJang

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Yes, those people struggling to work with this long period of drawn out unemployment should spend more (usually much more) money to prove their point that the system fails the majority. Do you realize that most people don't have expendable income? I think you have missed the boat on the entire point of OWS.

How can that be true when the majority of people at these protests have either high-end laptops, high-end cameras, or other expensive gadgets?
 

PeshakJang

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They can't help themselves. See #2, here-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism

It's who they are, what they worship & believe in so mindlessly.

Anything they can't or won't bother to understand, they try to kill.

If Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter & the rest supported OWS, they'd be all for it, of course. See #1.

How come you ran away from our argument? Ready to admit how mindless you were in following your leaders' talking points? Ready to admitthat OWS is based on what is mostly a lie? I've proved my argument, you've run away. What gives kiddo?
 

cybrsage

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You're correct, and all the smug right wing derision, obfuscation and denial exhibited here won't change that at all.

Then they should be occupying Washington DC, where the people who both write the laws AND are members of the 1% are to be found.

My guess is that ACORN, which is trying to organize them, and the Unions, who are bankrolling them, do not want this to happen.

Blocking traffic, when the 1% use helocopters to get to work, does not help their cause. It DOES make the 99% they pretend to represent pissed off at them, though.
 

cybrsage

Lifer
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I can't see the difference, can you?


Yes, in Egypt I saw a non-democratic system in which the people had absolutely no say in their government. In OWS, I see a democratic system the people can use to effect change, but instead decide not to bathe and to block traffic.

Really...you are comparing a nation ruled by a despot with the US? Do you even believe that yourself?

What next, US prisons are the same as Soviet era Gulags?
 

cybrsage

Lifer
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Yes, those people struggling to work with this long period of drawn out unemployment should spend more (usually much more) money to prove their point that the system fails the majority. Do you realize that most people don't have expendable income? I think you have missed the boat on the entire point of OWS.

They are against corps who are keeping prices low by using resources overseas. If they want to stop this, the legal way is to not buy good or services from such companies.

Or they can not bathe and block the 99% they pretend to represent from getting to work or home from work...which obviously will not change anything.


If they get their way, they will be paying higher prices for everything. Do they really think the companies will stop earning enough to ensure investment in the companies? Are they that stupid? Are YOU that stupid? Increased costs are passed onto the consumer.
 

monovillage

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What is sad is they would rather stay divided on the issues instead of coming together under common goals. Even if they dont full endorse everything ows stands for, there is some big common ground there.

There is, we should have learned from you leftists by the polite way you listened to, agreed with some points and engaged the Tea Party. Yeah. The people on the right have treated the #Occupy movement more accurately and fairly then those on the left ever treated the Tea Party, and the way you and others on the left continue to treat them to this day.
 

cybrsage

Lifer
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I heard the OWS people spit on someone and called him a racist slur. The video was extremely garbled and did not actually seem to show what was claimed...and there was absolutely no indication spit at all. It must be true, though, so we should all pretend it is!
 

HendrixFan

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How can that be true when the majority of people at these protests have either high-end laptops, high-end cameras, or other expensive gadgets?

I assume you have a real study to show that is the case?

Nothing stops those who are fortunate enough to have high end equipment from stopping by and supporting the cause. Don't confuse that with those who don't have the funds necessary for such high end purchases. See the daily show bit about the "rich and poor" sections of the OWS in NY.
 

thebomb

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Yes, in Egypt I saw a non-democratic system in which the people had absolutely no say in their government. In OWS, I see a democratic system the people can use to effect change, but instead decide not to bathe and to block traffic.

Really...you are comparing a nation ruled by a despot with the US? Do you even believe that yourself?

What next, US prisons are the same as Soviet era Gulags?

I think one of the major grievances of the protesters is that people in the US can't in fact use the democratic system to effect change. The 'democratic system' only responds to the wishes of those with money. This is where the perceived injustice comes from. To the layman it may seem like the protests in Egypt and the US are worlds apart, but they have a lot more in common than one might think. The only difference between the countries in this case is that those in power in Egypt held onto power through brute force while those in power in the US hold onto power through money and wealth. The result is the same in both cases: The government does not respond to the will of the people and a democratic deficit exists.
 

Londo_Jowo

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I think one of the major grievances of the protesters is that people in the US can't in fact use the democratic system to effect change. The 'democratic system' only responds to the wishes of those with money. This is where the perceived injustice comes from. To the layman it may seem like the protests in Egypt and the US are worlds apart, but they have a lot more in common than one might think. The only difference between the countries in this case is that those in power in Egypt held onto power through brute force while those in power in the US hold onto power through money and wealth. The result is the same in both cases: The government does not respond to the will of the people and a democratic deficit exists.

Guess you have no choice other than overthrowing the government as protesting isn't going to accomplish anything.
 

HendrixFan

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They are against corps who are keeping prices low by using resources overseas. If they want to stop this, the legal way is to not buy good or services from such companies.

Why do you keep making strawman arguments? Since when is Occupy Wall Street (again with the key term being Wall Street) a movement about protectionism and free trade? If anything the Tea Partiers had that agenda much higher up on their list. OWS is about the powerful using their power to funnel money upwards and reduce the quality of life for the rest of society.

When the cost of producing a good drops $6, as an example, by offshoring the labor but the price of the good drops $1, and the company now enjoys an additional $4 per unit in profit you have a disparity. You can say that the commoners shouldn't complain because they are paying $1 less, but that is a short sighted argument. Not only are they collectively losing out on the $6 in wages but they only gain a $1 in lower costs. That is a total loss of $5 even though things are "cheaper". How does the top end fare? Instead of paying out $6 in labor per unit, they pay $1, pass on savings of $1 and overall net gain $4.

The real problem comes when companies have merged into oligopolies and there are no real choices to stop buying goods and services from such companies. There aren't really options, and if they exist they carry a significant premium, one that somebody who is struggling to make ends meet would be unable to choose. See how the game is rigged? See what OWS is about? The choices you propose don't exist in any practical sense.

If they get their way, they will be paying higher prices for everything. Do they really think the companies will stop earning enough to ensure investment in the companies? Are they that stupid? Are YOU that stupid? Increased costs are passed onto the consumer.

The problem is cost cutting is passed into corporate profits and funneled to the elite. If the cost cutting profits were distributed in a manner that encouraged a healthy middle class then higher costs would simply be inflation.

The problem isn't the cost of goods, be it lower, higher or holding steady. The problem is that income for anyone not in the elite classes has been stagnant or dropping for 30 years. The erosion of the middle class makes cheap goods insignificant. The credit bubbles (CC, homes and home equity loans, student loans, etc) have pushed the general populace further and further into debt just to be able to afford these cheaper goods. The problem is that income is dropping, yet GDP continues to rise. Money is being funneled to the top at the expense of everyone else. Credit has served as a curtain to hide that fact for some time, but the bubbles are all on the verge of popping (including the national debt).
 
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Guess you have no choice other than overthrowing the government as protesting isn't going to accomplish anything.



ows "squat in" is putting the lime light on the obama base. Let's hope it continues right up to election day.
 
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