#OccupyWallstreet

[HendrixFan]

Unlike many on the right, I have no problem being more protectionist for U.S. industry, some tariffs are the only way to somewhat level the field. I'm fair trade more than free trade.

All things in moderation. I think tariffs are a good idea because trade shouldn't be one sided, if it is the appropriate term is looting. Since trade is inevitable, we have to be aggressive about positioning ourselves strongly in that area. We have certainly failed that.

I agree with you about preventive care being a priority.

Of all the advantages of countries that have UHC, I would bet that this is the single most important part of them being able to beat us out on costs. Americans are in terrible shape and the collective health has to suffer. Which industry has the desire or clout to lobby head to head with the food (not good food either) and healthcare industry? Any governmental structure that attempts to steer the country towards being healthy will be submarined.

We seem to agree less on debt, i've always felt that if you sign the papers, give your word, that you need to pay it off, you knew what the terms were when you signed up. Thanks again for the reasoned response.

No problem. I don't have a problem with holding people accountable for their debts, bankruptcy and the seven years of pain excluded. It is just that a society built around creating debt and profiting off of debt needs to push people towards debt. This runs counter to a strong middle class as debt reduces their purchasing power. Hold people accountable but don't make it so "easy" to get into debt. Government backing of student loans encourages the banks to encourage institutions to encourage kids to go to college, but not for the education. They just want them to sign up for tens of thousands in loans to be paid off over twenty to thirty years. Debt slavery for all.

Of course that leads into the consumption society which is bad for the middle class but who wants to go there?

 

[airdata]

Obviously had the person complied he wouldn't require being arrested or force being used. I though these people were supposed to be intelligent. Looks like to me they're more stupid than a box of rocks.

I find your post a bit ironic. You're suggesting people are dumb for being in a public place and not moving as fast as a police officer would like...

And yet you completely agree with aggravated assault w\ a deadly weapon. Because if he doesn't have the police uniform on, that's what he'd be charged with.

He had no right to club the guy in the knee, or any where else before first simply arresting him.


Your ignorance doesn't surprise me though, since I've seen many others posting in this thread as well.

The irony couldn't be any stronger. You guys nit pick little things #occupy protesters are in volation of... and then you clap your hands at felony offenses committed by people in uniform. On a US Military veteran none the less.

I'm sure you go in other threads and back military members... and yet here is one and you're just spitting on him and saying he's dumb and deserves to be beaten.

You obviously have a bias to the situation. If you showed this to somebody who didn't know what was going on and had no bias... they're going to tell you how fucked up the situation is.

That's the real difference here... all of you people who are opposed to #occupy protesters stand on your own. If you show this to 3 groups of people : people for #occupy, people against #occupy, and people who don't know what #occupy is, the people against occupy are the only ones embracing the violence and approving of it.

Everybody else, all of the logically thinking people are condemning it as they rightfully should. If you think clubbing citizens for being in the street is OK, you're not a real american. You deserve less rights than you think these people being beaten and pepper sprayed deserve.

 

[HendrixFan]

Agreed 100%. I'm as liberal as it gets socially, but I've never asked a single person to take my law school loan (100k) on for me. I've been repaying it for 4 years and it's a very stiff $1,200 a month.

My loans were much smaller as I was able to pay for much of my education through grants and out of pocket working 25 to 30 hours a week. I just finished paying off my student loans last year.

I wasn't clear in that long winded post that I don't think we should write off student loans as many in OWS want. That would just be a band aid and not address the real problem. That would be the ease and prevalence of getting huge student loans. Take away the government backing of student loans and the problem fixes itself.

Of course that brings up the problem of a less educated society, but that is simple to fix. Allocate more money to Pell Grants. Quite frankly, if the government (ie citizens) want to pay for someone's school that is fine. But to pay a bank to pay for someone's school so they can get a huge cut while putting a crushing debt burden on the middle class isn't too bright.

The money saved from wasting money on backstopping useless degrees while banks profit could be better spent on grants for those who have shown more worth. I mean if you are gonna put money towards education do it right. Grants or nothing. Don't do it half assed.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I find your post a bit ironic. You're suggesting people are dumb for being in a public place and not moving as fast as a police officer would like...

And yet you completely agree with aggravated assault w\ a deadly weapon. Because if he doesn't have the police uniform on, that's what he'd be charged with.

He had no right to club the guy in the knee, or any where else before first simply arresting him.


Your ignorance doesn't surprise me though, since I've seen many others posting in this thread as well.

The irony couldn't be any stronger. You guys nit pick little things #occupy protesters are in volation of... and then you clap your hands at felony offenses committed by people in uniform. On a US Military veteran none the less.

I'm sure you go in other threads and back military members... and yet here is one and you're just spitting on him and saying he's dumb and deserves to be beaten.

You obviously have a bias to the situation. If you showed this to somebody who didn't know what was going on and had no bias... they're going to tell you how fucked up the situation is.

That's the real difference here... all of you people who are opposed to #occupy protesters stand on your own. If you show this to 3 groups of people : people for #occupy, people against #occupy, and people who don't know what #occupy is, the people against occupy are the only ones embracing the violence and approving of it.

Everybody else, all of the logically thinking people are condemning it as they rightfully should. If you think clubbing citizens for being in the street is OK, you're not a real american. You deserve less rights than you think these people being beaten and pepper sprayed deserve.

As I said before, they're dumber than a box of rocks. They would probably climb into the lions cage at the zoo and wonder why the lion mauled them.

 

[bfdd]

Jhhnn is such a tool, everything he says just screams "STATUS QUO!!! I LOVE THE STATUS QUO!!!" Bailouts were a good idea? Fuck that, they were a terrible idea. They set precedent that things are "too big to fail" which is a load of fucking shit. Everything should have collapsed vs bailing out failures. The bailout wasn't to save us, it was to save those in power and allow them to hold power. If everything collapsed, they sure as fuck wouldn't have had it would they? No they wouldn't, they would have lost control/power and we the people would have gone through some hardships to retake control but we could actually take back power. Now we have OWS protesting like idiots, no direction, don't even know who to aim the crosshair at. It's to late to vote and get things changed. The Status Quo is here to say until someone is ready to die for what they believe in. I don't see anyone from the OWS movement like that, they've been a bunch of wannabe revolutionaries since the beginning.

 

[airdata]

As I said before, they're dumber than a box of rocks. They would probably climb into the lions cage at the zoo and wonder why the lion mauled them.

Did you read my post? Or did you just quote post it to reiterate your own ignorance?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Did you read my post? Or did you just quote post it to reiterate your own ignorance?

It doesn't matter if he's prior military or has a PhD, if you voluntarily placed yourself in harms way by violating the law you have no reason to cry when force is used against you to force your compliance.

Again anyone who voluntarily places themselves in harms way is dumber than a box of rocks and anyone who can't see that is in the same category.

 

[spidey07]

Did you read my post? Or did you just quote post it to reiterate your own ignorance?

You are failing to grasp the adult concept of actions have consequences.

You are breaking the law, move or we'll use force to remove you
I'm not moving!
OK then, we're going to use force to remove you
OMG! Why are you using force to remove me!!!! The horror!

You're right though, I do hope to see more hippy beat downs, it does give me pleasure as it teaches them the valuable lesson of action and consequence.

You need to focus your anger on this president. Why are the occupiers not protesting this president and his policies? That's right. Because it's a far left fringe movement of communists and socialists (have you even read their doctrine? Do you agree with that nonsense?). Got news for ya bud, America doesn't take kindly to that kind of shit.

Useful idiots, every one of you.

 

[fskimospy]

Ahh Spidey, I love it when you revel in violence against people you disagree with. It makes you sound even more sane.

 

[HendrixFan]

You're right though, I do hope to see more hippy beat downs, it does give me pleasure as it teaches them the valuable lesson of action and consequence.

You have a nice house, I'm sure in a gated community to keep the undesirables out. You have a well paying job and your wife's huge government pension to look forward to. Why are you so angry all the time? Enjoy life some.

 

[spidey07]

You have a nice house, I'm sure in a gated community to keep the undesirables out. You have a well paying job and your wife's huge government pension to look forward to. Why are you so angry all the time? Enjoy life some.

I do. But when these marxist fucks try to implement their misery on my country and me you can be damn sure I will fight it. I want nothing of what they're selling and will actively work against it. Americans don't want that shit.

The good news is they seem to want to form their own political party. That's GREAT news. Will split the libtard vote. Guess they're too stupid to know there already is a communist party and a socialist party in the US. And in case you haven't been paying attention, those parties are "standing by by in solidarity" with the OWS fucks.

But hey, it's just like the tea party!

 

[HendrixFan]

I do. But when these marxist fucks try to implement their misery on my country and me you can be damn sure I will fight it.

If it is such an insignificant protest then how are they inflicting misery on you or the country? I mean even if their ideas are retarded they have a right to express them. Certainly expressing a viewpoint counter to yours wouldn't cause misery.

 

[fskimospy]

If it is such an insignificant protest then how are they inflicting misery on you or the country? I mean even if their ideas are retarded they have a right to express them. Certainly expressing a viewpoint counter to yours wouldn't cause misery.

Spidey is just a symptom of this: http://nymag.com/news/politics/conservatives-david-frum-2011-11/

 

[spidey07]

If it is such an insignificant protest then how are they inflicting misery on you or the country? I mean even if their ideas are retarded they have a right to express them. Certainly expressing a viewpoint counter to yours wouldn't cause misery.

Where did I say it was insignificant? I want to call as much attention to what they're pushing as possible, I WANT them to keep it up. That there are people that actually support what they're pushing should scare the crap out of every American.

The misery I speak of is the misery of communism. When you've got Van Jones professing the next steps you need to pay attention to these people.

It's like I've said early, careful who you lay with liberals, you're likely to get shit on you when you lie with pigs.

 

[HendrixFan]

Where did I say it was insignificant? I want to call as much attention to what they're pushing as possible, I WANT them to keep it up. That there are people that actually support what they're pushing should scare the crap out of every American.

Seems contradictory. I mean you want to call people's attention to their message yet you want them beat down for spreading the message. I'm not sure where you get the idea that women getting pepper sprayed in the face hurts their movement. I would think the majority of Americans would find sympathy for someone in that situation even if they don't know or don't care what is being protested.

 

[airdata]

It doesn't matter if he's prior military or has a PhD, if you voluntarily placed yourself in harms way by violating the law you have no reason to cry when force is used against you to force your compliance.

Again anyone who voluntarily places themselves in harms way is dumber than a box of rocks and anyone who can't see that is in the same category.

Harms way?

This is america... These people aren't flying over to egypt to protest. They're not going out with the expectation of police beating them, because that's not how it's supposed to work in america.

There's no justification for hitting somebody over and over in the knees like that. That police officer was out of order and obviously not fit for duty as a police officer. Maybe he should sign up w\ blackwater and go kill some iraqis or something.

That's not how police are supposed to behave in america. < This statement is simply a fact and isn't just my opinion.

 

[spidey07]

Harms way?

This is america... These people aren't flying over to egypt to protest. They're not going out with the expectation of police beating them, because that's not how it's supposed to work in america.

There's no justification for hitting somebody over and over in the knees like that. That police officer was out of order and obviously not fit for duty as a police officer. Maybe he should sign up w\ blackwater and go kill some iraqis or something.

That's not how police are supposed to behave in america. < This statement is simply a fact and isn't just my opinion.

Bullshit! That's EXACTLY what they want.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Harms way?

This is america... These people aren't flying over to egypt to protest. They're not going out with the expectation of police beating them, because that's not how it's supposed to work in america.

There's no justification for hitting somebody over and over in the knees like that. That police officer was out of order and obviously not fit for duty as a police officer. Maybe he should sign up w\ blackwater and go kill some iraqis or something.

That's not how police are supposed to behave in america. < This statement is simply a fact and isn't just my opinion.

Obviously being struck by a police officer who is performing his duty is placing one's self in harms way. Had he evacuated when first informed by the police to do so or not been there at all he never would have been in a position to be struck by a police officer. This statement is simply a fact and isn't just my opinion.

 

[fskimospy]

It doesn't matter if he's prior military or has a PhD, if you voluntarily placed yourself in harms way by violating the law you have no reason to cry when force is used against you to force your compliance.

Again anyone who voluntarily places themselves in harms way is dumber than a box of rocks and anyone who can't see that is in the same category.

Actually, you do have reason to complain.

Police are not permitted to use any and all force they feel like in response to lawbreaking. In every police department across America there are rules and regulations as to the proportionate use of force. I don't know if these specific actions (much like the pepper spray guy at UC Davis) violated police procedures, but if they didn't then police procedures need to be changed.

This type of behavior by the police is simply unacceptable.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Don't break the law and there would be no need for the the police to use force, it's that simple.

 

[spidey07]

Don't break the law and there would be no need for the the police to use force, it's that simple.

But they're not breaking the law, they are just peacefully protesting!

 

[airdata]

Obviously being struck by a police officer who is performing his duty is placing one's self in harms way. Had he evacuated when first informed by the police to do so or not been there at all he never would have been in a position to be struck by a police officer. This statement is simply a fact and isn't just my opinion.

Thanks for clearing up that you're not trolling and that you're just f'ing stupid.

 

[airdata]

But they're not breaking the law, they are just peacefully protesting!

You attempt to be sarcastic and yet that guy was simply standing in the street.

anyway... back to my ignore list.

 

[michal1980]

Harms way?

This is america... These people aren't flying over to egypt to protest. They're not going out with the expectation of police beating them, because that's not how it's supposed to work in america.

There's no justification for hitting somebody over and over in the knees like that. That police officer was out of order and obviously not fit for duty as a police officer. Maybe he should sign up w\ blackwater and go kill some iraqis or something.

That's not how police are supposed to behave in america. < This statement is simply a fact and isn't just my opinion.

its just an isolated incident. Time to move on. (just like you OWS supports ignore all bad things done be OWS). If you want to be consistent, then you ignore cops bad actions too.

 

[airdata]

Isolated incidents seem to be happening alot at #occupy protests.

I love how you agree that the guy being beaten like that is indeed wrong, but you do it without putting it in your post.

With #occupy, there's no way to account for all sorts of fringe groups who have joined the ranks of the protests. I've said before it's a cluster fuck.

Now, with the police...it's different. They're all trained and should know the limits of what they can and can't do. A real police officer would not start beating a person like that. Arrest him without beating him... not a tough concept. Police like this who go out and lose their shit shouldn't be there. Obviously the guy should look into other fields of employment if he has such anger management issues.