#OccupyWallstreet

[blankslate]

Uh... duh? That kind of happens when you decide to change the entire Government in which these entities operate. They have to play by the Governments rules in order to do business there don't they? If the leaders remain honorable to us we won't have the entities run rampant. We'll see to it that they keep the others in check will we not? That's how it fucking works and right now the REAL problem lies with our Federal Government which is allowing everything to happen. So you start there, at the root of the issue. If making people fear death or worse they will stay in check and see that their job is done.

The real problems lies with the Federal Government, the Supreme Court, and the businesses buying influence. You only want to focus on one aspect elected officials. Sure they deserve it. The hell with it though I'd like to see rapacious CEOs thrown to the wolves as well...

This particular aspect of the conversation seems to have run it's course. Because, as I see it, we differ on how we want to limit the scope of solution to the problem

Breaking out the guillotine (either literally or figuratively) does have its appeal though.

 

[blankslate]

They all can, they just refuse to. It is not like alcoholism or being drug addicted. They can say NO, but simply will not.

We should have a law which forces all federal politicians to use federal money for their campaigns and to ban all the PAC, citizens for/against, etc., groups which currently bypass the existing laws.

The problem is one or several people might say NO but then they will be at a severe disadvantage to people who do take the money

I don't disagree with your suggestion that taking private money out of the election process and having all candidates for National Office take Federal money so the playing field is level in terms of funding. Taking the excess money out of elections makes sense and that idea has been suggested in the past by political commentators of various persuasions. It's a good idea as far as I am concerned

 

[bfdd]

The real problems lies with the Federal Government, the Supreme Court, and the businesses buying influence. You only want to focus on one aspect elected officials. Sure they deserve it. The hell with it though I'd like to see rapacious CEOs thrown to the wolves as well...

This particular aspect of the conversation seems to have run it's course. Because, as I see it, we differ on how we want to limit the scope of solution to the problem

Breaking out the guillotine (either literally or figuratively) does have its appeal though.

They deserve it the most in my opinion. They're the ones dishonoring the noble position we bestow upon them. Remember we CHOOSE to allow them to be our leaders, they are the ones who spit in our faces. I expect a business to be out for a buck, I don't expect those I honor with my vote to try and screw me.

 

[cybrsage]

I don't disagree with your suggestion that taking private money out of the election process and having all candidates for National Office take Federal money so the playing field is level in terms of funding. Taking the excess money out of elections makes sense and that idea has been suggested in the past by political commentators of various persuasions. It's a good idea as far as I am concerned

Yep, will cost the taxpayers a little bit, but worth it.

 

[monovillage]

Yep, will cost the taxpayers a little bit, but worth it.

If funding elections run the same as 2008, you're talking well over 5 Billion dollars for Pres. and Congress, i don't count that as "a little bit".

 

[Double Trouble]

Mainstream media has done their job and confused the populous as to the actual message of the protestors. It just shows how effective this type of propaganda is.

I don't know how you can blame the media for confusing people about the message when OWS itself is confused about it's own message. In reality, there is no one coherent message, it's a grouping of people dissatisfied with the state of things for one reason or another. I've yet to see any specific message about what they're trying to achieve.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

OWS message = Life isn't fair now keep your hands off my iPhone and iPad herp a derp

 

[airdata]

OWS message = Life isn't fair now keep your hands off my iPhone and iPad herp a derp

You're literally at a 7th or 8th grade level of comprehension.

 

[Bowfinger]

You're literally at a 7th or 8th grade level of comprehension.

Meh. He's just saying what he's been programmed to say. Comprehension has nothing to do with it any more than your PC "comprehends" a copy and paste. It's just following instructions.

 

[michal1980]

You're literally at a 7th or 8th grade level of comprehension.

which makes him a few grade levels above that of the common OWS messanger.

 

[Bowfinger]

The problem is one or several people might say NO but then they will be at a severe disadvantage to people who do take the money

That's it exactly. While it's possible one might be elected to federal office without whoring oneself to special interests, it has become virtually impossible to stay there ... unless, of course, you're one of the 0.001% who is wealthy enough to fund your own campaign. Campaigns have simply become too expensive, and it's virtually certain your opponent is accepting bribes, even if you aren't.

Until we get money out of politics, we will always have pervasive corruption.

I don't disagree with your suggestion that taking private money out of the election process and having all candidates for National Office take Federal money so the playing field is level in terms of funding. Taking the excess money out of elections makes sense and that idea has been suggested in the past by political commentators of various persuasions. It's a good idea as far as I am concerned

I'm not sure if there are better approaches, but we definitely need to change the way campaigns are financed. We also need to keep a very short lease on "influence" by special interests outside of campaign financing.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You're literally at a 7th or 8th grade level of comprehension.

OWS movement = herp a derp at it's best, you and you fap buddies in this thread are fine examples.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Meh. He's just saying what he's been programmed to say. Comprehension has nothing to do with it any more than your PC "comprehends" a copy and paste. It's just following instructions.

How's the movement going? Accomplished anything? When OWS goes after the corrupt politicians let me know. Of course we know there's no corrupt politicians on the left as Nancy cleared already them out..

 

[Bowfinger]

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Of course we know there's no corrupt politicians on the left as Nancy cleared already them out..

Thank you for corroborating my point. As far as there being "no corrupt politicians on the left," that's a claim I only hear from nutter parrots. I don't remember anyone on the left or anyone associated with OWS making that claim. There is corruption throughout Washington D.C., and history has shown that just complaining to one's "representative" about it changes nothing. The hope for OWS is raising enough public awareness, and ultimately enough public outrage, to force politicians to react.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Thank you for corroborating my point. As far as there being "no corrupt politicians on the left," that's a claim I only hear from nutter parrots. I don't remember anyone on the left or anyone associated with OWS making that claim. There is corruption throughout Washington D.C., and history has shown that just complaining to one's "representative" about it changes nothing. The hope for OWS is raising enough public awareness, and ultimately enough public outrage, to force politicians to react.

Yep, you nutter parrots do a wonderful job, that's why your precious OWS was a complete flop. Most Americans have no clue what the OWS movement was all about and after last Thursday many don't support OWS. Act like idiots, get treated like idiots.

 

[cybrsage]

If funding elections run the same as 2008, you're talking well over 5 Billion dollars for Pres. and Congress, i don't count that as "a little bit".

Compared to the dozens, maybe even hundreds, of Billions of dollars spent on special interest groups, it is a bargain.

 

[airdata]

This message is hidden because Londo_Jowo is on your ignore list.

 

[cybrsage]

OWS movement = herp a derp at it's best, you and you fap buddies in this thread are fine examples.

Now he can read it.

Althought I do LOVE that pic he posted...it looks like Obama is talking about the health care law.

 

[Ninjahedge]

The solution, if it's even feasible, lies in DC, not on Wall Street.

The politicians and laws aren't going to change through osmosis, or as a result of you screaming at their drug dealer.

Wake the f*ck up people. Get on a bus to DC, or STFU and go home...

No, it doesn't.

The way we are set up now, the change has to be done unilaterally. Not just with elected officials.

Money talks louder than law. If Wall Street stands to lose money because of public perception, pressure from investors will drive companies to comply with self imposed regulation faster than our filibustering congress can even pass a Lunch Law.

Protesting Wall Street works simply because doing so automatically gets the attention of everyone in DC. Why bother going to DC when all that gets is a bunch of empty promises?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I guess I'm free to post anything I like in reply to any of your posts in the forum, won't have to worry about any rebuttals.

How's your precious OWS movement and that unelectable idiot you support....Ron "Who?" Paul doing these days? Still losing?

 

[Ninjahedge]

If funding elections run the same as 2008, you're talking well over 5 Billion dollars for Pres. and Congress, i don't count that as "a little bit".

Who says that we have to make the $$ $5B?

What "if" funding was set at $200M for a national campaign? What if broadcasters were required, as part of their taxation, to provide X hours of ads/public time for the debates/campaigning of each candidate?

Level playing field. The simple fact that a player has to ass-kiss so many special interests to get all the necessary equipment is a sign. We should not call it "fair" if one guy is thrown out on the football field with nothing but cleats and an athletic supporter.

 

[airdata]

 

[Ninjahedge]

Compared to the dozens, maybe even hundreds, of Billions of dollars spent on special interest groups, it is a bargain.

/Me marks calendar.

You made sense......

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Now he can read it.

I love the fact that I'm now on at least 2 losers ignore list

airdata and McOwned

 

[airdata]

I love the fact that I'm now on at least 2 losers ignore list

airdata and McOwned

You should be on more because you're a fucking idiot.


I'm taking a zero tolerance approach w\ the ignore list. Alot of people in here easily rule out that they're of sound logic. So then that's already crossed off the list and you're left w\ 2 other options. A) Fucking idiot. B) Trolling. If you can't accept simple facts, there's no point wasting my time posting the same thing over and over again to try to get you to understand.