Did you ever read the Forbes piece?
"Fox did not provide Holden with any medical documentation to back any of this up, and as with all unconfirmed reports take this with a grain of salt:"
There you have it Mr. Dupe, or may I call you Gullible?
How about forbes?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...arriage-after-being-pepper-sprayed-by-police/
On the other, My post said " woman Claims " as i wasn't able to find verification on that one, or video of a clubbing leading to the death of her baby.
Alot of stuff happening you'd normally dismiss and think it's too outrageous to be true. But it's happening.........................
Her actions were certainly incredibly stupid, but that doesn't absolve the police or those that gave the orders of guilt. I don't understand why so many people here can't hold the simultaneous beliefs that she was stupid AND the police were wrong. Is this really that hard?
It's just so incredibly difficult to connect "putting oneself in dangerous positions" and "bad outcome". She has nobody to blame but herself for that one.
Remember guys, the responsibility to deescalate situations and resolve them without violence is on the citizen, it is most certainly not on the paid public servant whose entire job revolves around resolving these situations with the minimum level of force necessary.
Her actions were certainly incredibly stupid, but that doesn't absolve the police or those that gave the orders of guilt. I don't understand why so many people here can't hold the simultaneous beliefs that she was stupid AND the police were wrong. Is this really that hard?
Did you ever read the Forbes piece?
There you have it Mr. Dupe, or may I call you Gullible?
They deserve it the most in my opinion. They're the ones dishonoring the noble position we bestow upon them. Remember we CHOOSE to allow them to be our leaders, they are the ones who spit in our faces. I expect a business to be out for a buck, I don't expect those I honor with my vote to try and screw me.
Her actions were certainly incredibly stupid, but that doesn't absolve the police or those that gave the orders of guilt. I don't understand why so many people here can't hold the simultaneous beliefs that she was stupid AND the police were wrong. Is this really that hard?
That's nice. I didn't read it. I read it on another page and was simply posting the forbes link.
Regardless, we've seen the reaction from ATPN pieces of shit who would cheer on police clubbing the baby out of a womans stomach.
So if anything, exposing just how sick some of the people here are is good enough for me.
I don't think the police officers involved were monsters that would see a pregnant woman 8 months along and target her baby with blows from their batons. The other woman that was 2 or 3 months along isn't really any more credible.
Sure we can say argue who is at fault and while businesses are out for a buck, I expect them to refrain from bribary whatever form it takes.
I suspect your sarcasm will be lost on the OWS bashers. They'll probably read that and wonder when you changed positions.Remember guys, the responsibility to deescalate situations and resolve them without violence is on the citizen, it is most certainly not on the paid public servant whose entire job revolves around resolving these situations with the minimum level of force necessary.
I suspect your sarcasm will be lost on the OWS bashers. They'll probably read that and wonder when you changed positions.
In the same vein, here's a quote reportedly from a French police captain, based on his experiences responding to both protests and actual riots. I ran across it second-hand via an author I follow, and don't have an original citation (so one can accept or discount the purported source as desired). Nonetheless, I believe it hits the heart of the matter:
"One way of doing things wrong is to assign untrained police officers to riot control duties. As I said, it's a specialist's job. Training is necessary in order not to fly off the handle just because the ugly punk in front of the line has thrown a large stone at you. Training is necessary because you never ever break ranks, no matter how bad you're being attacked. Training is necessary because you shouldn't be trying to settle a score with whoever is in front of your line. Training is necessary because riot control's ultimate goal is to make sure that the rioter in front of you goes home safely tonight, even if you end up in the infirmary. He's a citizen, you're a police officer, his life is more important than yours."In my opinion, we are seeing too many cases of public safety personnel behaving unprofessionally. In some notorious cases we've seen a few offices abusing authority and actively attacking peaceful protestors. I would think in many cases those officers will eventually be disciplined and may even find themselves in court as defendents. As long as such incidents remain relatively isolated, they reflect far more on those individual officers rather than their organizations as a whole.
The other, more troubling problem is that many police agencies seem to be deliberately inflaming tensions with local protests, provoking confrontations that don't need to happen. I assume this is being driven from above, from police management at a minimum, and likely from local mayors and other political forces. The excuses used have usually been transparently dishonest, reflecting an institutional corruption.
Maybe such a violent approach to non-violent people is a bad idea in general?
Shut up Spidey. The only thing weaker than your connection with reality is your reading comprehension. Your straw man is so ridiculous it doesn't even warrant mockery.Yes, yes. It's all a big conspiracy theory against the harmless, super peaceful, never did anything wrong, never blocked streets or commited crimes against other citizens, nor violated the property rights of others protesters. Yep, all a big conspiracy by "the man", man. yeah man, fight the man, man.
Or the converse - protesters breaking the law and needed to be dispursed before the law breaking continued and/or escalated.
Damn you OWS supporters are really showing your disconnect from reality. It's funny really and sad at the same time one could be so delusional and willfully ignorant.
Yes it is, but as soon as someone breaks the law they cease to be non-violent.
FALSE! Absolutely, 100% false. While all violent acts may be unlawful, the converse is not true. Period. Many illegal acts are not at all violent.Yes it is, but as soon as someone breaks the law they cease to be non-violent.
I believe you're absolutely wrong and that corporations / investors will continue to do what they've always done -- they'll completely ignore you.No, it doesn't.
The way we are set up now, the change has to be done unilaterally. Not just with elected officials.
Money talks louder than law. If Wall Street stands to lose money because of public perception, pressure from investors will drive companies to comply with self imposed regulation faster than our filibustering congress can even pass a Lunch Law.
Protesting Wall Street works simply because doing so automatically gets the attention of everyone in DC. Why bother going to DC when all that gets is a bunch of empty promises?
For all the Fox News groupies, this just in:
Pepper spray isn't bad, it's just a food product! What's the big deal?
Link
Gotta love Fox defending pepper spraying peaceful protesters. Faux and balanced!
Shut up Spidey. The only thing weaker than your connection with reality is your reading comprehension. Your straw man is so ridiculous it doesn't even warrant mockery.
So its ok to stereotype the cops. But not ok to stereotype the OWS?
Not true at all. Jaywalking is non-violent. Not paying taxes is non-violent. The list goes on and on. They terminology was that the people who were being non-violent were met with violence.
FALSE! Absolutely, 100% false. While all violent acts may be unlawful, the converse is not true. Period. Many illegal acts are not at all violent.