#OccupyWallstreet

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Londo_Jowo

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Let's cut to the chase, this OWS movement has failed and will never amount to anything. No matter how much you try get attention it's not going to make a difference. The media is no longer covering OWS or the lame attempts to blame police for miscarriages or supposed brutality.......no one's buying it except those hardcore supporters.
 

fskimospy

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I disagree ninja, it is a crime, and it ends their claim of non-violence. You and others may think it's OK, knock yourselves out.

Here's the Merriam-Webster dictionary definition of violence:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/violence

Definition of VIOLENCE

1
a : exertion of physical force so as to injure or abuse (as in warfare effecting illegal entry into a house)
b : an instance of violent treatment or procedure
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: injury by or as if by distortion, infringement, or profanation : outrage
3
a : intense, turbulent, or furious and often destructive action or force <the violence of the storm>
b : vehement feeling or expression : fervor; also : an instance of such action or feeling
c : a clashing or jarring quality : discordance
4
: undue alteration (as of wording or sense in editing a text)

Can you point out which of these definitions disobeying a police officer falls under?
 

PokerGuy

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resolving these situations with the minimum level of force necessary.

They were breaking the law, and would not listen when they were told to leave. Using pepper spray in that instance seems perfectly appropriate. Don't want to get sprayed? Here's a thought, obey the lawful order of the officer.
 

fskimospy

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Let's cut to the chase, this OWS movement has failed and will never amount to anything. No matter how much you try get attention it's not going to make a difference. The media is no longer covering OWS or the lame attempts to blame police for miscarriages or supposed brutality.......no one's buying it expect those hardcore supporters.

You're awfully furious about people you claim don't mean anything. You want them to be beaten, sprayed, run over by bulldozers, etc, and all because they are doing stuff you claim doesn't matter.

If they matter so little, why are you giving them any of your precious time?
 

Ninjahedge

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Unnecessary according to whom?

To what you mean.

To the law and to the code of conduct of the police force.

If you break the law, peaceful or not, you can expect the police to take measures to uphold the law.

Again, broad brush.

Nobody said they could not clear the protesters. The ONLY contention so far has been that they used EXCESSIVE FORCE. You do not beat a person bloody for jaywalking, or cross the road to cross-check a guy off his bicycle (remember that one?). You do not pepper spray passive protesters.

She should not have put herself in that position, it's 100% her fault.

No, it isn't. It is 100% the fault of the person who pulled the trigger. The law is VERY specific about that. There may be reasons for the trigger pulling, but the responsibility lies in the hands of the one who does it.

She posed no threat. Are you saying that an 8mo preggo woman, unarmed, is a threat to a cop?

Only if that cop is her hubby.
 

fskimospy

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They were breaking the law, and would not listen when they were told to leave. Using pepper spray in that instance seems perfectly appropriate. Don't want to get sprayed? Here's a thought, obey the lawful order of the officer.

Once again, I'm glad to see that the responsibility for resolving these situations without violence falls on the citizens and not the trained public servent.

I love how you guys are totally okay with incompetence in the public sector so long as it leads to violence against protesters.
 

monovillage

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Here's the Merriam-Webster dictionary definition of violence:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/violence



Can you point out which of these definitions disobeying a police officer falls under?

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: injury by or as if by distortion, infringement, or profanation : outrage
3
a : intense, turbulent, or furious and often destructive action or force <the violence of the storm>
b : vehement feeling or expression : fervor; also : an instance of such action or feeling
c : a clashing or jarring quality : discordance

and btw do you think a police officer or officers when seeing the woman was very visibly 8 months pregnant start beating on her belly with their batons?
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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Let's cut to the chase, this OWS movement has failed and will never amount to anything. No matter how much you try get attention it's not going to make a difference. The media is no longer covering OWS or the lame attempts to blame police for miscarriages or supposed brutality.......no one's buying it except those hardcore supporters.

We are seeing traction on the issue of congress not being immune to insider trading because it was one of the issues of ows.

So it hasn't failed it just has TOO many messages and they all get diluted.
 

JSt0rm

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and btw do you think a police officer or officers when seeing the woman was very visibly 8 months pregnant start beating on her belly with their batons?

interesting...

Do you think they wouldn't?

Personally I think anything could happen and I tend to keep a open mind about such things. The fact that you have made up your mind that the police are 100% innocent says a lot about you.
 

Londo_Jowo

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You're awfully furious about people you claim don't mean anything. You want them to be beaten, sprayed, run over by bulldozers, etc, and all because they are doing stuff you claim doesn't matter.

If they matter so little, why are you giving them any of your precious time?

Not furious, just find it highly amusing that supposed highly intelligent people believe they can break the law and then cry foul when Police do their jobs.
 

fskimospy

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2
: injury by or as if by distortion, infringement, or profanation : outrage
3
a : intense, turbulent, or furious and often destructive action or force <the violence of the storm>
b : vehement feeling or expression : fervor; also : an instance of such action or feeling
c : a clashing or jarring quality : discordance

and btw do you think a police officer or officers when seeing the woman was very visibly 8 months pregnant start beating on her belly with their batons?

2.) Injury by distortion, infringement, or profanation? What were they injuring?

3.) So you are claiming vehement or fervent people are being violent? Are you kidding me? So basically every the cops would be justified in pepper spraying every protest in the history of mankind. Nice.
 

monovillage

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2.) Injury by distortion, infringement, or profanation? What were they injuring?

3.) So you are claiming vehement or fervent people are being violent? Are you kidding me? So basically every the cops would be justified in pepper spraying every protest in the history of mankind. Nice.

And you're still dodging the perfectly valid question i've asked. It's not really that big of a question either.
 

palehorse

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They will ignore until their investments start suffering. Bad PR is just that, kind of reminds me a bit of Ann Rand.....
Can you provide ANY evidence that ANY investors have been impacted by OWS' efforts to date?

Again, good luck with that...

You mean like the Motion Picture Association and their ratings? Yeah, like they would ever self-regulate to prevent kids from seeing violence so the state would not do it for them.....
The MPAA rating system?! LOL, wow! You certainly have low expectations and standards for the type of "self regulation" we need to change the entire corrupt system. Please tell me you were joking...
 

monovillage

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interesting...

Do you think they wouldn't?

Personally I think anything could happen and I tend to keep a open mind about such things. The fact that you have made up your mind that the police are 100% innocent says a lot about you.

I said earlier that I don't think that police officers are monsters that will beat the belly of an obvious pregnant woman. There is always the possibility i'm wrong, I just don't think I am. I find it far more likely that the claims made by the woman are false and to be used as PR to incite a response from gullible fools.
 

fskimospy

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Not furious, just find it highly amusing that supposed highly intelligent people believe they can break the law and then cry foul when Police do their jobs.

Right, so highly amusing you keep wishing severe bodily injury on people. You must be great at parties!
 

fskimospy

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And you're still dodging the perfectly valid question i've asked. It's not really that big of a question either.

I'm not dodging anything, I don't even know anything about the incident in question. (when I was discounting your legal threats earlier I was simply referring to how insanely unlikely libel or false statement prosecutions are to happen) By your own statements you believe that acting in a fervent manner justifies chemical assault by the police. I hope you realize how insane that is.
 

Bowfinger

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Nice irrelevant dodge to the topic in discussion.
On the contrary, it is perfectly on topic when someone suggests that merely breaking the law is inherently violence that justifies a violent response. That's wrong, factually, legally, and morally.
 

monovillage

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I'm not dodging anything, I don't even know anything about the incident in question. By your own statements you believe that acting in a fervent manner justifies chemical assault by the police. I hope you realize how insane that is.

You forgot to also list the part about law breaking and after repeated warnings. Nice tap shoes though.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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I said earlier that I don't think that police officers are monsters that will beat the belly of an obvious pregnant woman. There is always the possibility i'm wrong, I just don't think I am. I find it far more likely that the claims made by the woman are false and to be used as PR to incite a response from gullible fools.

But the reality is that you don't know anything about it. Unless you were there you are only forming an opinion based on what you want to be true. This is why we have a legal system, we will get to the bottom of this and hopefully the truth will come out. Surely you think there should be a investigation anytime something like this happens yes?
 

Londo_Jowo

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Just like I find it so amusing that you ignore the fact that those who were pepper sprayed in Seattle were blocking a public road violating not only the law but interfering with the rights of other Americans trying to utilize the same road to go wherever they needed to go.
 

fskimospy

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You forgot to also list the part about law breaking and after repeated warnings. Nice tap shoes though.

Nope, doesn't matter.

Law breaking does not inherently equal violence, as we already discussed. (cheating on your taxes is not a violent act, although it breaks the law) A police officer warning someone does not make the person he is warning violent.

Keep trying to justify chemical attacks on seated, nonthreatening people though.
 

fskimospy

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Just like I find it so amusing that you ignore the fact that those who were pepper sprayed in Seattle were blocking a public road violating not only the law but interfering with the rights of other Americans trying to utilize the same road to go wherever they needed to go.

Well clearly we should murder them with a bulldozer then.
 
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